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Tree Bucket posted:Your user name is too water-fat for this thread. Could you change it to something more stillsuit-friendly? 
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usul has called a big one!
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Jul 30, 2019 00:27
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Such tiny water based usernames
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Jul 30, 2019 00:41
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exmachina posted:Ok... I don't mind a genderswapped kynes. Dune needs some non-BG women characters, and a woman in a position of seniority but not leadership is believable in fremen culture. I barely remembered that Liet was the father of Chani, maybe making it her mother instead means that relationship will have more "there" there.
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Jul 30, 2019 01:04
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As long as Paul still kills that bitch Jamis, they can do whatever ps Jamis hate club gang tag when???
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Jul 30, 2019 01:13
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Defiance Industries posted:ps Harkonnen club gang tag when???
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Jul 30, 2019 01:19
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For Feyd I think they could go with David Mazouz. He looks a lot like Chalamet and can play intense dickhead.
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Jul 30, 2019 01:42
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Defiance Industries posted:As long as Paul still kills that bitch Jamis, they can do whatever Dirge for jamis
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Jul 30, 2019 02:04
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exmachina posted:Ok... I don't mind a genderswapped kynes. Dune needs some non-BG women characters, and a woman in a position of seniority but not leadership is believable in fremen culture. Agreed. Tho everyone on that lovely years and years show is annoying as hell
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Jul 30, 2019 07:13
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Poverty Grass Thimble
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Jul 30, 2019 07:41
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I was friend to Jamis.
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Jul 30, 2019 20:58
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I was a friend of Jamis. But then I killed him and now in keeping with tradition I'm gonna bang his wife and make her my dinner slave.
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Jul 30, 2019 22:12
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I was a friend of Jamis. He wanted me to cuck him so badly he was willing to die to make it happen.
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Jul 30, 2019 22:17
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looking forward to the reaction to white boy paul killing a black guy and snatching his wife. https://twitter.com/SecretsOfDune/status/1123251112566566912
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Jul 30, 2019 22:24
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uber_stoat posted:looking forward to the reaction to white boy paul killing a black guy and snatching his wife. Caladanians aren't white 
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Jul 31, 2019 11:30
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Defiance Industries posted:I was a friend of Jamis. He wanted me to cuck him so badly he was willing to die to make it happen.
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Jul 31, 2019 12:31
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Greeks aren't white 
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Jul 31, 2019 13:38
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It's really funny how white supremacists seem to basically believe that Greece and Rome were pretty much literally inhabited by marble statues and their current inhabitants are Turks squatting in the ruins. (when every piece of actual evidence indicates that no, that's just who they've always been)
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Jul 31, 2019 13:48
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The Atreides are descendants of Agamemnon, apparently?
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Jul 31, 2019 13:51
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Schadenboner posted:The Atreides are descendants of Agamemnon, apparently? Yep, I think theres a bit in Children where Leto digs back deep into his ancestral memory and talks to him or something. I'm still psyching myself up to reread it.
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Jul 31, 2019 13:53
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Actually on that note you don't see a whole lot in the way of racism in Dune. Plenty of cultural, religious or ideological clashes but not many notions of race. Is humanity just so homogenized that those ideas are all left behind or what?
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Jul 31, 2019 14:23
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Schadenboner posted:The Atreides are descendants of Agamemnon, apparently? Yes Leto II or Ghanima say that. @duneauthor helpfully points out that Agamemnon was one of the cybernetic warlords who served Lord Cybertrex
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Jul 31, 2019 14:25
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Actually on that note you don't see a whole lot in the way of racism in Dune. Plenty of cultural, religious or ideological clashes but not many notions of race. Is humanity just so homogenized that those ideas are all left behind or what? I thought the Harkonnens were pretty racist against the Fremen, and the Fremen don't seem fond of non-Fremen as a rule. I think just mostly we see from the perspective of the ruling class to whom racism is more a tool than anything.
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Jul 31, 2019 14:30
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Ghost Leviathan posted:I thought the Harkonnens were pretty racist against the Fremen, and the Fremen don't seem fond of non-Fremen as a rule. I think just mostly we see from the perspective of the ruling class to whom racism is more a tool than anything. While I realize I'm being far too specific here, but it always seemed to me that the Harkonnens looking down on the Fremen was more of a classist thing. The Fremen not trusting any non-Fremen seemed to be more along the lines of xenophobia, in that they just disliked anyone who wasn't them and didn't know their ways, but not because of race or anything.
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Jul 31, 2019 14:36
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Yes Leto II or Ghanima say that. @duneauthor helpfully points out that Agamemnon was one of the cybernetic warlords who served Lord Cybertrex On the one hand, it's very silly that in all Dune books Frank always goes back to events from our history as if there were no interesting things happening between earth up to and including XXth century and whatever date Leto II or Paul is reminiscing about something. On the other hand... @BillyJeelingAuthor
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Jul 31, 2019 14:42
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Actually on that note you don't see a whole lot in the way of racism in Dune. Plenty of cultural, religious or ideological clashes but not many notions of race. Is humanity just so homogenized that those ideas are all left behind or what? There’s no reason to believe that humans 10000 years in the future would have modern ideas of race. Humans didn’t have such ideas 10000 or even 1000 years ago in the same way they have them today. The Harkonnen-Fremen relationship and even the Atreides-Fremen relationship has vastly more to do with antique ideas of civilization and barbarism than it does with race. The Fremen are savages because they don’t live in cities and don’t fit into the highly organized society of the imperium: they are technologically backward, smell bad, are of no political account, and are best exterminated to avoid putting up with their violent ways (Harkonnen view), or they are in true harmony with their world, can teach us how to control it, and will form the backbone of a great army due to their violent ways (Atreides view). It’s about their mode of life, not their skin color or other phenotype. Herbert only ever uses the word “race” to mean the human race.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:05
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Key part is that the modern idea of 'race' is a very modern thing specific to capitalist society and imperialism, and Dune goes out of its way to portray a very different kind of society that's alien both for being in space and being a feudal throwback, with everyone at least nominally being within the same societal unit as houses within the empire. ...come to think of it, I'm not sure how many actual examples there are in history of Dune/GoT ideas of 'noble houses' within at least nominally the same persistent empire who compete over the ruling position.
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Jul 31, 2019 15:44
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Liquid Dinosaur posted:Yes Leto II or Ghanima say that. @duneauthor helpfully points out that Agamemnon was one of the cybernetic warlords who served Lord Cybertrex I had always assumed that the root of Atreides was “the offspring of Atreus”, the father of Agamemnon and Menalaus.
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Jul 31, 2019 16:03
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BeanpolePeckerwood posted:Ah yes, extreme gentlemen of the internet, please deign to elaborate in precise detail what makes Denis Villanueve's directorial body of work dull and routine in tyool twothousandnineteen, known otherwise as the 10 year anniversary of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. I dunno, at least MCU films have recognizable characters with personalities and growth and change. I legit can't remember any characters from blade runner 2049. Did Arrival have any characters with personalities? Can you think of words to describe them more than their profession? I honestly don't remember a single person from his films. Like, let's try and summarize the cast of Arrival, which I've seen three times:
Whereas like just from the first Iron Man I can think of at least three words to describe Stark: a gambling, egotistical, abrasive rich white guy Or Potts: a rich white girl with a poo poo work/life balance who cares for her boss too much
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Jul 31, 2019 16:08
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alexandriao posted:I dunno, at least MCU films have recognizable characters with personalities and growth and change. I legit can't remember any characters from blade runner 2049. Did Arrival have any characters with personalities? Can you think of words to describe them more than their profession? I honestly don't remember a single person from his films. what even is this post?
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Jul 31, 2019 18:12
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I watched this dumb movie three times and I still don't understand it! What a crappy director. You know what has amazing, intricate, and subtle characterization? COMIC BOOK MOVIES
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Ratatozsk posted:I had always assumed that the root of Atreides was “the offspring of Atreus”, the father of Agamemnon and Menalaus. Herbert explicitly says so, you are right. The poster you quoted was just pointing out that his son now prints Dune extended universe novels and a bit of trivia he added was that the Agamemnon in question was actually a robot crab (because he doesn't know how to read or write).
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Jul 31, 2019 18:15
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I sure am sick of all these star wars.
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Jul 31, 2019 18:16
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I remember Nawal Marwan, Kate Macer, Detective Loki, Louise Banks, and K quite well. Dunno which theater you were in 
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Jul 31, 2019 18:17
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This is canon
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Jul 31, 2019 18:18
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hahahahahaha
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Jul 31, 2019 18:19
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Murray Mantoinette posted:Actually on that note you don't see a whole lot in the way of racism in Dune. Plenty of cultural, religious or ideological clashes but not many notions of race. Is humanity just so homogenized that those ideas are all left behind or what? Ghost Leviathan posted:I thought the Harkonnens were pretty racist against the Fremen, and the Fremen don't seem fond of non-Fremen as a rule. I think just mostly we see from the perspective of the ruling class to whom racism is more a tool than anything. AFewBricksShy posted:While I realize I'm being far too specific here, but it always seemed to me that the Harkonnens looking down on the Fremen was more of a classist thing. The Fremen not trusting any non-Fremen seemed to be more along the lines of xenophobia, in that they just disliked anyone who wasn't them and didn't know their ways, but not because of race or anything.
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Jul 31, 2019 18:27
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Anne Frank Funk posted:On the one hand, it's very silly that in all Dune books Frank always goes back to events from our history as if there were no interesting things happening between earth up to and including XXth century and whatever date Leto II or Paul is reminiscing about something. I mean when he mentions our history he also includes a bunch of made up future names which I mean at least he's making an effort. People are gonna remember Hitler. edit: also racism in Dune is everybody hating Ix
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Jul 31, 2019 18:31
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*in extremely Zoolander voice*alexandriao posted:Whereas like just from the first Iron Man I can think of at least three words to describe Stark:
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Phil Moscowitz posted:I watched this dumb movie three times and I still don't understand it! What a crappy director. I understood Arrival and 2049 fine, it just didn't have any characters, you could have just had the one guy or taken out all of the other characters except for the linguist and you would have the same movie. Whereas the MCU has gone to lengths to give each character a real personality and history, to flesh them out. The events that happen don't matter except for how it develops and changes the characters. They're not good movies but they do that one thing very well and it shows and makes them memorable. They're concept movies. You watch them because you want a good concept to sink your teeth into and explore rather than characters you want to explore. It will probably fit a fair adaptation of Dune because Dune is half concept book and half court intrigue anyway. Just don't expect much of the court intrigue aspects in whatever thing he makes. alexandriao fucked around with this message at 19:26 on Jul 31, 2019 |
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