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Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

I'm guessing "la la la la I can't hear you". Most Freepers are brain-broken enough to view Trump's tweets as gospel, and ignore anything in reality that would contradict them.

I mean why bother watching the testimony when Hannity will show you all the important stuff before bed and Rush will tell you about all the lies the Dems used Mueller to push the next day?

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Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Jurgan posted:

Well, one of the Republican congressmen basically said "I thought innocent until proven guilty was the law, so how can he be not exonerated if you didn't charge him?" My guess is that will be the line.

An increasingly exasperated Muller saying that it is not his job to charge Trump and that the Justice Department can't even legally indict a sitting president is a big loving mood if I've ever seen one. It's like a random store clerk trying to explain to a lovely customer that they don't set the prices.

Congress is trying to hedge itself on the choice of whether to impeach or not by trying to get Muller to make the decision. Which isn't remotely how the process is supposed to work, but these are the times we live in I guess. I feel sorry for Muller.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Corsair Pool Boy posted:

I mean why bother watching the testimony when Hannity will show you all the important stuff before bed and Rush will tell you about all the lies the Dems used Mueller to push the next day?

Trump literally said in his press conference that Mueller said he didn't commit and crime and yelled "You're fake news!" at reporters. Freep is at the point of unconditionally believing a tantrum.

Warmachine posted:

An increasingly exasperated Muller saying that it is not his job to charge Trump and that the Justice Department can't even legally indict a sitting president is a big loving mood if I've ever seen one. It's like a random store clerk trying to explain to a lovely customer that they don't set the prices.

Congress is trying to hedge itself on the choice of whether to impeach or not by trying to get Muller to make the decision. Which isn't remotely how the process is supposed to work, but these are the times we live in I guess. I feel sorry for Muller.

Mueller did throw them a bone by clarifying that yes, Trump could be indicted after he leaves office. Which is a roundabout way of saying that there's sufficient evidence to charge Trump with a crime.

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

Warmachine posted:

Congress is trying to hedge itself on the choice of whether to impeach or not by trying to get Muller to make the decision. Which isn't remotely how the process is supposed to work, but these are the times we live in I guess. I feel sorry for Muller.

Pelosi is the definition of a coward right now. Instead of leading, she's encouraging people to 'do what they need to do' for their districts while simultaneously saying the people not calling for impeachment are still upholding their oath of office.

I'm not even saying she needs to push a vote or whip votes, but she very definitely should have been saying for a few months that her personal opinion is that Trump should be impeached.

chitoryu12 posted:


Mueller did throw them a bone by clarifying that yes, Trump could be indicted after he leaves office. Which is a roundabout way of saying that there's sufficient evidence to charge Trump with a crime.

This didn't get nearly the attention I thought it should, that was Mueller trying to tell the Dems to get off their asses without violating his own sense of ethics as a prosecutor. For him, it was almost a psychotic break.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Corsair Pool Boy posted:

Pelosi is the definition of a coward right now. Instead of leading, she's encouraging people to 'do what they need to do' for their districts while simultaneously saying the people not calling for impeachment are still upholding their oath of office.

I'm not even saying she needs to push a vote or whip votes, but she very definitely should have been saying for a few months that her personal opinion is that Trump should be impeached.

She absolutely should be pushing for a vote. There's tons of evidence that Trump is unfit to be in office, but the only reason the establishment Dems have given for refusing to pursue impeachment is "There's not enough support." If you won't fulfill your duty because you're afraid that it'll be unpopular, you're admitting that either you're unfit to be in the position or that the laws and procedures are a complete sham.

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

chitoryu12 posted:

She absolutely should be pushing for a vote. There's tons of evidence that Trump is unfit to be in office, but the only reason the establishment Dems have given for refusing to pursue impeachment is "There's not enough support." If you won't fulfill your duty because you're afraid that it'll be unpopular, you're admitting that either you're unfit to be in the position or that the laws and procedures are a complete sham.

Yeah that's fair.

They claim there's no support for impeachment, but to get the support they need to start impeachment. It's just an impossible conundrum. Remember to Vote Blue No Matter Who!

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Corsair Pool Boy posted:

Yeah that's fair.

They claim there's no support for impeachment, but to get the support they need to start impeachment. It's just an impossible conundrum. Remember to Vote Blue No Matter Who!

Also, impeachment isn't something that's up to the citizens. You don't take a general vote on impeachment. It's a process done entirely by Congress. If you're not impeaching because the Republicans will rally around Trump and defend him, you may as well throw in the towel and give them full control of the country because clearly you don't care enough about following your duty.

Goatse James Bond
Mar 28, 2010

If you see me posting please remind me that I have Charlie Work in the reports forum to do instead

Corsair Pool Boy posted:

Pelosi is the definition of a coward right now. Instead of leading, she's encouraging people to 'do what they need to do' for their districts while simultaneously saying the people not calling for impeachment are still upholding their oath of office.

I'm not even saying she needs to push a vote or whip votes, but she very definitely should have been saying for a few months that her personal opinion is that Trump should be impeached.


This didn't get nearly the attention I thought it should, that was Mueller trying to tell the Dems to get off their asses without violating his own sense of ethics as a prosecutor. For him, it was almost a psychotic break.

yeah, I suspect he had to have two glasses of warm milk when he got home to calm down

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

chitoryu12 posted:

Also, impeachment isn't something that's up to the citizens. You don't take a general vote on impeachment. It's a process done entirely by Congress. If you're not impeaching because the Republicans will rally around Trump and defend him, you may as well throw in the towel and give them full control of the country because clearly you don't care enough about following your duty.

John Adams basically sums up my view here, if you replace the word "independence" with "impeachment." (Watch from 1:40 to 3:30)

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



chitoryu12 posted:

Also, impeachment isn't something that's up to the citizens. You don't take a general vote on impeachment. It's a process done entirely by Congress. If you're not impeaching because the Republicans will rally around Trump and defend him, you may as well throw in the towel and give them full control of the country because clearly you don't care enough about following your duty.

It's all misplaced political concerns for sitting Democrats. They think a failed impeachment would make them look bad, when in reality the country is polarized enough that most people aren't going to move a muscle if impeachment fails.

They probably also think they can just wait out the next year and Blue Wave the 2020 election. Which... ok. We saw how well that worked before.

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



Plus there's the fact that with how slow impeachment works, it's basically just a formal gesture at this point. Unless Trump wins re-election in 2020 there just wouldn't be enough time to impeach him. Especially with how slow and lovely the Senate is.

Jurgan
May 8, 2007

Just pour it directly into your gaping mouth-hole you decadent slut

Xiahou Dun posted:

Plus there's the fact that with how slow impeachment works, it's basically just a formal gesture at this point. Unless Trump wins re-election in 2020 there just wouldn't be enough time to impeach him. Especially with how slow and lovely the Senate is.

I accept that impeachment would not be about removing the president, but it’s still worth doing as a formal way of presenting our case as to why he’s unfit for office ahead of the election. A lot of people want Democrats to show that they’re serious when they say he’s a criminal. Let’s get caught trying.

Elephant Ambush
Nov 13, 2012

...We sholde spenden more time together. What sayest thou?
Nap Ghost
Democrats are also terrified that if they successfully impeach Torp then the next Dem president could get impeached.

Which, you know, already happened in the 90s.

They're such sniveling cowards.

Khizan
Jul 30, 2013


Warmachine posted:

It's all misplaced political concerns for sitting Democrats. They think a failed impeachment would make them look bad, when in reality the country is polarized enough that most people aren't going to move a muscle if impeachment fails.

They probably also think they can just wait out the next year and Blue Wave the 2020 election. Which... ok. We saw how well that worked before.

I feel like it's more that they are sure that they could not get an impeachment vote through the Senate, so they're worried about a failed impeachment looking like an exoneration and that affecting the vote.

That is, IMO, a bunch of bullshit. The lines are pretty clearly drawn and I doubt there are a signfiicant amount of anti-Trump voters who would be swayed to his side by a failed impeachment. Right now it's more important to show that they're willing to put up a loving fight and they're absolutely failing at that.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012



Khizan posted:

I feel like it's more that they are sure that they could not get an impeachment vote through the Senate, so they're worried about a failed impeachment looking like an exoneration and that affecting the vote.

That is, IMO, a bunch of bullshit. The lines are pretty clearly drawn and I doubt there are a signfiicant amount of anti-Trump voters who would be swayed to his side by a failed impeachment. Right now it's more important to show that they're willing to put up a loving fight and they're absolutely failing at that.

I stopped just short of writing that theory because I came to the same conclusion you did; it's a horseshit reason.

chitoryu12
Apr 24, 2014

Khizan posted:

I feel like it's more that they are sure that they could not get an impeachment vote through the Senate, so they're worried about a failed impeachment looking like an exoneration and that affecting the vote.

That is, IMO, a bunch of bullshit. The lines are pretty clearly drawn and I doubt there are a signfiicant amount of anti-Trump voters who would be swayed to his side by a failed impeachment. Right now it's more important to show that they're willing to put up a loving fight and they're absolutely failing at that.

The establishment is so concerned about turning potential Republicans their way that they’ll throw out anyone left of center. They haven’t figured out that anyone who doesn’t already support Trump isn’t going to start.

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

chitoryu12 posted:

The establishment is so concerned about turning potential Republicans their way that they’ll throw out anyone left of center. They haven’t figured out that anyone who doesn’t already support Trump isn’t going to start.

This is what all the people paid to think about this stuff are missing. There's a reason Trump's approval rating has been so inelastic since inauguration.

pookel
Oct 27, 2011

Ultra Carp

Corsair Pool Boy posted:

This is what all the people paid to think about this stuff are missing. There's a reason Trump's approval rating has been so inelastic since inauguration.

The best we can hope for is a lack of enthusiasm among Trump "supporters" when election time comes around. They're not going to vote for Democrats anyway, but they might stay home in disgust.

Sarcastr0
May 29, 2013

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE BILLIONAIRES ?!?!?

quote:

To: Sirius Lee
I believe it starts with those leftist college classes such as black studies (hate white people), women’s studies (hate men) and gender studies (hate straight people). The professors are no doubt communists who are of course connected to the national communist party which can be multi generational. The “squad” had to have participated in these classes. There are also special classes in high school for Mexican kids where they learn all about Aztlan. Ocasio Cortez was involved in the Indian protests against the gas pipeline. Simena from Arizona was seen with a dem women’s group dressed in pink—that looks like code pink. I think they are given training by participating in these various leftists causes and protests before they run for office. Also they are sometimes staff members to politicians. This is how they get their training.

Something that may not be related is that recently two white men standing in front of a Washington DC hotel at 1 in the morning were suddenly set up by 14 black males and females who kicked, punched and spit on them. Hmmm? Could this be a black version of Antifa? Several years ago during Obama’s presidency gangs of black youths went on flash mob attacks on white people in many cities and states. Something tells me these “yutes” had political connections.


50 posted on 7/30/2019, 3:48:18 PM by cradle of freedom

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo
wow i loving hate that person

Xiahou Dun
Jul 16, 2009

We shall dive down through black abysses... and in that lair of the Deep Ones we shall dwell amidst wonder and glory forever.



I mean "points" I guess for brevity. They made if very clear right away that I could just ignore their views on anything.

Veni Vidi Ameche!
Nov 2, 2017

by Fluffdaddy
I don’t think members of minority groups in the United States need to go to college to learn to hate white people. That poo poo is on-the-job training.

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice
That guy has to be at least 75 years old

Sarcastr0
May 29, 2013

WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE BILLIONAIRES ?!?!?

quote:

To: RomanSoldier19
It’s worse. One can not even have a professional disagreement with a woman. I am seriously looking at ditching my professional engineering license and going back to washing dishes, my first job out of high school.


20 posted on 8/2/2019, 6:23:24 AM by Fred Hayek (The Democratic Party is now the operational arm of the CPUSA)

Edgar Allen Ho
Apr 3, 2017

by sebmojo

No you aren’t motherfucker

VitalSigns
Sep 3, 2011



The women engineers I've worked with have always been some of the smartest people I've ever met, if he can't handle professional disagreement then for public safety reasons alone the world is better off with him washing dishes.

InsertPotPun
Apr 16, 2018

Pissy Bitch stan

VitalSigns posted:

The women engineers I've worked with have always been some of the smartest people I've ever met, if he can't handle professional disagreement then for public safety reasons alone the world is better off with him washing dishes.
But have you peppered in a few "whoa, kittens got claws" and "yak yak yak" hand motions into your professional disagreements with women? They get so emotional over such little things. Probably their time of the month.

Crunch Buttsteak
Feb 26, 2007

You think reality is a circle of salt around my brain keeping witches out?
White House Confirms Global Campaign to Protect Homosexual Acts

quote:

Comment #6 Removed by Moderator

quote:

To: bigbob
You want it to be illeal? Good luck wiht that.

Why should we export our immorality? If Bowers v. Hardwick upheld the statutes of 21 states outlawing sodomy as recently as 1986, things can change in either direction. Buckley said "A conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling Stop, at a time when no one is inclined to do so, or to have much patience with those who so urge it.”

If we lean on Uganda and India and a lot of other countries over this stuff, it will not be forgotten after this perversion fetishism is long past. It certainly does not strengthen the argument for western values to a lot of people who live in Muslim countries who equate western hedonism with Christianity.
12 posted on 8/1/2019, 11:25:44 PM by Dr. Sivana ("...a choice between Woke-fevered Democrats and Koch-funded Republicans is insufficient."-Mark Steyn)

quote:

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I call bullshit on this story. I don’t have access to the tweets as I’m not signed up, but there is no way our President is going to support homosexual acts, and there is no way Mike Pence would either.

I say this is an assault on our President, and Vice President with the intent to cause the loss of the Evangelical vote for 2020.


15 posted on 8/1/2019, 11:29:30 PM by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists call 'em what you will they all have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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quote:

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
“Accept “sexual orientation and gender identity” in international law.”

Never. It is disgusting and wrong. Government should not twist the natural marriage between a husband and a wife. Trump has Obama losers still in government pushing sickness. Government seems to be too big to fire all the losers.


22 posted on 8/1/2019, 11:46:22 PM by Falconspeed
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quote:

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
I am guessing one of President Trump’s advisors said to him, “Daddy, daddy if you do this, they can’t accuse you of being a homophobe”. And daddy just melted.


29 posted on 8/1/2019, 11:58:10 PM by libh8er
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quote:

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
There is nothing more seriously damaging to our national welfare and security that that of obstinately defying the determined Will of the Creator and His non-negotiable non-transformable Design and Purpose for the human creature.
Trump and his administration are committing abomination on the trust they have been sworn to uphold and carry out. You can count that now our troubles will be greatly multiplied when we decriminalize sexual deviation and make it common and accepted as never before in our history.

31 posted on 8/2/2019, 12:03:44 AM by imardmd1 (Fiat Lux)
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quote:

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This will not turn out good. Promoting immorality on the world stage is just what Lucifer wants.


33 posted on 8/2/2019, 12:08:02 AM by Karliner (Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28 Isa 17 "This is the end of the beginning" W Churchill)
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quote:

To: plain talk
“I certainly agree that no one should be locked up or thrown off buildings for being homosexual.”

Throwing them off buildings would be unconstitutional.

That said, same-sex attraction disorder is as treatable as it is dangerous. Certainly society has a right to protect its members from those who suffer from SSAD, and I would argue that this extends to mandatory treatment.


44 posted on 8/2/2019, 12:33:24 AM by dsc (Our system of government cannot survive one-party control of communications.)
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quote:

To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Trump can’t control the border, and has failed to deliver on a ton of promises. And he’s doing this?


52 posted on 8/2/2019, 4:12:48 AM by River Hawk
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quote:

To: rfp1234
*** This could backfire by pushing Iran closer to Russia, instead of wedging them apart.***

Oh, and I was so hoping that Iran and Russia would come into the modern morality of the US where a court orders (here in TX) that a father cannot impede his prepubescent child’s gender transition, drag queen story hours are held in Pubic tax payer funded Libraries, and children perform in gay clubs where pedophiles stuff dollar bills down their pants. The celebration of this lifestyle is normalized on television, and in print media.

And our government wants to foist it on other countries.


59 posted on 8/2/2019, 4:47:32 AM by sockmonkey (I am an America First, not Israel First FReeper.)
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quote:

To: plain talk
I certainly agree that no one should be locked up or thrown off buildings for being homosexual.
Stop acquiescing to the language of the left. No one “be’s” homosexual. It’s not a state of being that is being criminalized. Only ACTIONS can be made illegal. Homosexuals were completely free from arrest in this country in the past as long as they abstained from homosexual conduct, at least in public view. That is a standard we need to see re-imposed. “Gay marriage” would certainly be an untenable possibility if it were.

70 posted on 8/2/2019, 10:02:20 AM by fwdude
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Trump. Just doing his part to escalate the coming of the Antichrist’s reign.


73 posted on 8/2/2019, 10:16:37 AM by fwdude
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I'd say that this thread having a few anti-Trump voices surprises me, but, well, it's Freep; as soon as Trump starts attacking another minority group they're going to go right back to waving their little flags and chanting "send her back".

Ubiquitous_
Nov 20, 2013

by Reene

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

White House Confirms Global Campaign to Protect Homosexual Acts













I'd say that this thread having a few anti-Trump voices surprises me, but, well, it's Freep; as soon as Trump starts attacking another minority group they're going to go right back to waving their little flags and chanting "send her back".

The one thing Freep can unify around is anything that is anti-LGBT. This stuff used to shock me, and now it bores me.

Erenthal
Jan 1, 2008

A relaxing walk in the woods
Grimey Drawer

Crunch Buttsteak posted:

To: rfp1234
*** This could backfire by pushing Iran closer to Russia, instead of wedging them apart.***

Oh, and I was so hoping that Iran and Russia would come into the modern morality of the US where a court orders (here in TX) that a father cannot impede his prepubescent child’s gender transition, drag queen story hours are held in Pubic tax payer funded Libraries, and children perform in gay clubs where pedophiles stuff dollar bills down their pants. The celebration of this lifestyle is normalized on television, and in print media.

And our government wants to foist it on other countries.


59 posted on 8/2/2019, 4:47:32 AM by sockmonkey (I am an America First, not Israel First FReeper.)
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Ah yes, these things that all really happened the way this freeper imagines.

Warmachine
Jan 30, 2012




"cradle of freedom" was just the right cut of lunacy I needed to push me through the workday. Thanks!

Guavanaut
Nov 27, 2009

Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998



Toilet Rascal

quote:

I believe it starts with those leftist college classes such as black studies (hate white people), women’s studies (hate men) and gender studies (hate straight people).
Black is to white as woman is to man as gender is to straight. :marc:

Bobby Digital
Sep 4, 2009
Wait til rockinsqranch finds out about Pence and horses.

Fathis Munk
Feb 23, 2013

??? ?
"Pubic tax payer funded Libraries"

I know it's a pretty common typo, but it makes me laugh nonetheless.

Corsair Pool Boy
Dec 17, 2004
College Slice

quote:

There is nothing more seriously damaging to our national welfare and security that that of obstinately defying the determined Will of the Creator and His non-negotiable non-transformable Design and Purpose for the human creature.

Yes, nailed it. THIS is the most damaging thing Trump has done.

jojoinnit
Dec 13, 2010

Strength and speed, that's why you're a special agent.

Fathis Munk posted:

"Pubic tax payer funded Libraries"

I know it's a pretty common typo, but it makes me laugh nonetheless.

Waaaiiiitttt are you not paying it???

Am I the only clean shaved one down there?!! :argh:

Jagged Jim
Sep 26, 2013

I... I can only look though the window...

quote:

To: DarthVader

I bet he is Antifa or some other anarchist..................and is making a personal "sacrifice" to make conservatives look bad. 

78 posted on 8/3/2019, 4:06:52 PM by LouAvul

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Just another day in America. :smith:

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

It rules that we live in a country where rightwingers commit mass murder weekly and literally the only movement to stop them from organizing into an even greater force is routinely demonized by both political parties and the entire media.

fishmech
Jul 16, 2006

by VideoGames
Salad Prong

Mantis42 posted:

It rules that we live in a country where rightwingers commit mass murder weekly and literally the only movement to stop them from organizing into an even greater force is routinely demonized by both political parties and the entire media.

"moronic leftists who think guns are cool" isn't a political party, dude.

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Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Of course Antifa isn't a political party, they actually have positive results and are a mass, decentralized movement by the working class. The bourgeois parliamentarians aren't capable of or willing to stop the fash terrorists.

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