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ansel autisms posted:
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Earlier today I went over to ask one of my photography buddies at work if he had done any LF, he said no but he had done some MF back in the day and then asked me if I wanted any of the film he brought in to give away..  ]I think it's mostly useless, most of the stack on the right is duplicating film and the entire lot is dated from 1999-2005 (the porta is 2005). I'll take it as a sign either way though 
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Jul 10, 2019 05:04
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My local camera shop didn't have a loupe so they sold me a little slide viewer doodad at a big discount (because it wasn't what I was really after and I'd have to dick with it). I took it home, popped the opaque white cap off and ground off some plastic bits and basically turned it into a loupe. It's not fancy, kinda clunky and doesn't have a way of attaching a neck strap but it works perfectly fine for getting accurate focus. I attempted to use a black t-shirt as a dark cloth which worked OK but was kinda lovely because A) it wasn't totally opaque, B) it was awkward to use, C) it got in the way of the ground glass even in light wind and D) it caused the ground glass to fog up a ton from my breath on a cold morning. I got a proper dark cloth second-hand and it was a lot better to use. I used my phone as an average lightmeter for my first B&W shots and that worked fine, you can also try to use a digital camera to get the exposure you want if you have one and don't want to buy a dedicated lightmeter (which I eventually did because LF is heavy and slow and expensive and I wanted to get the best possible shots for the effort). I got 6 second-hand film holders, 3 plastic which are fine, 3 wood which are warped and poo poo, get the plastic ones. Also clean them before you use them, my first negatives were all covered in dust during exposure from the film holders (something I never had to worry about shooting 35mm). I carry an ipad mini with an app for calculating exposure (including reciprocity failure) and as a viewfinder so I can check composition with my focal length quickly before having to go to the effort of setting the camera up. When you all add it up I pretty well fill up a small hiking backpack just with my 4x5 camera, some film holders and all of the various gubbins needed to take a photo, which kinda surprised me but I do enjoy the technical nature of the process and how deliberate it makes you.
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Jul 10, 2019 11:33
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Man all this LF talk is rad and really making me want to pick up a chamonix, then I realize I don’t have nearly enough money for the camera itself let alone all the other stuff needed. Especially seeing your shots as you've gotten your camera and learned about it, Blackhawk. One day!!
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Jul 10, 2019 23:09
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CodfishCartographer posted:Man all this LF talk is rad and really making me want to pick up a chamonix, then I realize I don’t have nearly enough money for the camera itself let alone all the other stuff needed. Especially seeing your shots as you've gotten your camera and learned about it, Blackhawk. Sell all your digital gear! Make that one day tomorrow!!
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Jul 11, 2019 00:30
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alkanphel posted:Sell all your digital gear! Make that one day tomorrow!! I only have like, maybe a grand's worth of digital gear. I guess that'd at least be enough for the body!  I'll definitely be saving up though, I'm really a sucker for the look afforded by the motions available on LF.
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Jul 11, 2019 01:28
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CodfishCartographer posted:I only have like, maybe a grand's worth of digital gear. I guess that'd at least be enough for the body! You could technically get that with a tilt-shift lens on digital, but those are pretty expensive too. Just boils down to whether you want to go through the trouble of shooting sheet film.
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Jul 11, 2019 01:34
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The sooner you get in, the less your existing digital gear will depreciate At this point they’re practically paying you
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Jul 11, 2019 01:44
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The thing that I've liked the most about large format so far is that you really feel like a craftsman working with a tool much more so than I've felt with digital or 35mm. You're physically doing every aspect of taking the image, you've got complete control over it, I connect a lot more with the scene through the camera than I do through a viewfinder or rangefinder.
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Jul 11, 2019 04:29
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i loving hate it like a curse and wish id never picked up a camera in the first place because now im broke and probably have thyroid cancer from all the cadmium bromide and silver nitrate ive inadvertantly consumed and i still loving suck
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Jul 11, 2019 06:04
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Blackhawk posted:... I connect a lot more with the scene through the camera than I do through a viewfinder or rangefinder. Part of the reason I enjoy TLRs so much. They're the snapshot and selfie cameras of their day but I find the light square in the dark of the viewfinder and the flipped image really helps to isolate the scene and really you think about what you're doing. Happens pretty often that I'll see what I thought was an interesting subject in the viewfinder and realize its boring and poo poo and all my work is poo poo.
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Jul 11, 2019 11:26
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Erhh, how do you guys drop of your film to be processed? In the film holders or do you unload them first?
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Jul 11, 2019 22:30
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ImplicitAssembler posted:Erhh, how do you guys drop of your film to be processed? In the film holders or do you unload them first? Unload them first.
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Jul 11, 2019 23:59
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Jul 16, 2019 04:11
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So good...
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Jul 16, 2019 09:55
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Love it. What film is that? God drat someone needs to buy my Sony poo poo I need this in my life
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Jul 16, 2019 17:11
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Google Butt posted:Love it. What film is that? Porta 400 it’s in the Flickr tags
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Jul 17, 2019 20:07
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Some more Ektar, wasn't really feeling it this morning though so I took two shots and it felt like I wasted $10. This one was directly into the sun so all things considered I think it turned out OK.
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Jul 21, 2019 07:17
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Have some square death   
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Jul 24, 2019 07:43
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Spent about 2 hours getting 6 shots on the 4x5 yesterday. Haven't developed the colour ones but they should be a ton better than this. I took two B&W shots after the sun set and I probably shouldn't have bothered because the light wasn't really there for it but uhhh, I'm going to post one anyway??
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Jul 27, 2019 23:11
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I'm putting together a budget to save up for a LF camera, because gently caress money I guess. What's a decent budget lens for 4x5? I generally prefer 50mm and 35mm on full frame, which if I understand right is around 150mm and 100mm on 4x5 respectively. e: Also, anyone have any experience with the Nagaoka Seisakusho 4x5? I hear it's nice and super lightweight for a 4x5. Obviously the Chamonix is the thread favorite, just was curious if anyone had any experience with that specifically since I'll mostly be taking mine hiking, and saving weight is always nice. CodfishCartographer fucked around with this message at 22:25 on Jul 29, 2019 |
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Jul 29, 2019 21:53
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CodfishCartographer posted:I'm putting together a budget to save up for a LF camera, because gently caress money I guess. What's a decent budget lens for 4x5? I generally prefer 50mm and 35mm on full frame, which if I understand right is around 150mm and 100mm on 4x5 respectively. The Nikkor or Fujinon lenses are reasonably priced and have good performance. You can consider their 150/5.6 and 90/8 lenses.
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Jul 30, 2019 00:20
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I use a fujinon 135mm f5.6 lens, seems fine to me, I like 40mm focal length in 35mm and it seems close to that. Also still loving the Chamonix 45n-2, not as light as an intrepid for example but man it's so solid. I've seen some video reviews of the intrepid and I know they're extremely cheap and light but they really don't look nice to use. Also just tried out an SP-445 dev tank for some C-41 and although I wouldn't say it's easier than the taco method I think it definitely produces better negatives. I've only done ~10 4x5 neggies using the taco method but most had some scratches and one or two had uneven banding in the sky which really sucked.
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Jul 30, 2019 10:11
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Google Butt posted:Love it. What film is that? People said already but yeah portra 400 on a 4x5 view camera with a 210mm
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Jul 30, 2019 17:38
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a cyberpunk goose posted:People said already but yeah portra 400 on a 4x5 view camera with a 210mm Thanks. Speaking of selling my Sony poo poo I'm almost rid of it. Still going back and forth between the n2 and f2, I'm primarily interested in landscapes, but I'm not sure how often I will actually do asymmetric movements.
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Jul 30, 2019 17:43
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You can take this kind of photo on any camera! I didn't use dramatic movements for this one or anything fancy, I coulda taken it on my P67 or even a 35 and I think what you really like here is the portra 400 feel.
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Jul 30, 2019 18:02
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Wouldn't larger movements thus require a lens that is capable of providing appropriate coverage? I'm not sure if this is much a worry for 4x5 as opposed to like 8x10 but I've heard it's something you need to keep in mind and account for.
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Jul 30, 2019 18:31
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CodfishCartographer posted:Wouldn't larger movements thus require a lens that is capable of providing appropriate coverage? I'm not sure if this is much a worry for 4x5 as opposed to like 8x10 but I've heard it's something you need to keep in mind and account for. Different makes of different lenses have slightly different coverage, just depends on the lens design. The 120mm i use with my 4x5 has enough coverage for 8x10 if mostly centered, for example.
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Jul 30, 2019 18:52
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Is there anyone in particular I can look at for good examples of what can be done with asymmetrical movements and landscapes?
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Jul 30, 2019 18:59
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Google Butt posted:Is there anyone in particular I can look at for good examples of what can be done with asymmetrical movements and landscapes? The cheesy examples are things like extreme tilt shift effects to make landscapes look like miniatures. But if you're doing it right, it shouldn't be noticeable. A good example is one that Ansel Autisms took:  UntitledI wasn't there for this pic but; without movements or tilt the foreground would be very big and distorted, so he explained it to me as having done some relatively drastic rear standard tilting to even out the proportions of the scene and sort of counteract the perspective distortion in the foreground. a cyberpunk goose fucked around with this message at 19:22 on Jul 30, 2019 |
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Jul 30, 2019 19:16
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These don't have the kinds of examples I imagine you're looking for but MrBlandAverage sent me these links along the topic: http://www.rogerandfrances.com/subscription/camera%20movements.html http://www.toyoview.com/LargeFrmtTech/lgformat.html
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Jul 30, 2019 19:43
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As a side note I got a price back from the only place that I'm aware of in my country (New Zealand) that does E-6 process slide film. $17 NZD per sheet of 4x5 to process, about $7 NZD per piece of velvia 100, so total ~$16 USD per shot if I want to shoot slide film,not including scanning but I would do that myself anyway. I think I'll probably keep shooting Ektar and home processing for the time being...
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Jul 30, 2019 20:27
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More research for my LF shopping list: I notice the 45N-2 doesn't come with bellows, and Chamonix has "standard" bellows and "universale" bellows available for sale on their site, with little explanation of the difference between the two. Any recommendations? Also, scanning options: I've got an Epson v550, which my research suggests isn't big enough for 8x10 scanning. How about 4x5? I know the epson 700 can scan LF but I'm not sure on the 550. Obviously I could just upgrade to the 550, but saving where possible would be nice. Or is it just easier to get scans from the lab you get shots developed at?
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Jul 30, 2019 22:27
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CodfishCartographer posted:More research for my LF shopping list: I notice the 45N-2 doesn't come with bellows, and Chamonix has "standard" bellows and "universale" bellows available for sale on their site, with little explanation of the difference between the two. Any recommendations? . . . That would be new. It should come with bellows. You can write to Hugo for clarification, though; he's a helpful guy. You'll sometimes want a bag bellows or something if you're using extreme movements (as the bellows material can get in the way) or an extreme wide-angle lens, and I've seen specially-constructed ones for working in heavy wind, but I don't know if there's a specific difference there. The Chamonix website posted:The 45N-2 comes finished in gray metal only and it comes with a universal bellows in either black or red.
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Jul 30, 2019 22:39
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Yond Cassius posted:. . . That would be new. It should come with bellows. You can write to Hugo for clarification, though; he's a helpful guy. You'll sometimes want a bag bellows or something if you're using extreme movements (as the bellows material can get in the way) or an extreme wide-angle lens, and I've seen specially-constructed ones for working in heavy wind, but I don't know if there's a specific difference there. well poo poo, it does come with the bellows, dunno why I thought it didn't.  Maybe cus the specs list at the bottom doesn't mention them in the "comes with" section.
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Jul 30, 2019 22:48
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a cyberpunk goose posted:The cheesy examples are things like extreme tilt shift effects to make landscapes look like miniatures. yeah this pic had a lot of rear swing - i rotated the rear standard to make the staircase slightly smaller. it was on a 90mm lens, pretty wide, so without it had a pretty bad fisheye look because of where i was standing CodfishCartographer posted:More research for my LF shopping list: I notice the 45N-2 doesn't come with bellows, and Chamonix has "standard" bellows and "universale" bellows available for sale on their site, with little explanation of the difference between the two. Any recommendations? get a v750 or v800 (if you get a v800, buy v750 holders online - they have weird dust-collecting plastic on the v800 holders), scanning yourself will be significantly cheaper long term
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Jul 30, 2019 23:35
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ansel autisms posted:get a v750 or v800 (if you get a v800, buy v750 holders online - they have weird dust-collecting plastic on the v800 holders), scanning yourself will be significantly cheaper long term Silverfast + ColorPerfect (photoshop plugin) are also good purchases that you'll probably end up making.
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Jul 31, 2019 00:04
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V550 is not big enough to do 4x5, you can either scan twice and stitch (ugh) or buy a v700/750/800/850 as suggested above. The light in the 550 is just wide enough for 120 film
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Jul 31, 2019 00:07
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CodfishCartographer posted:Wouldn't larger movements thus require a lens that is capable of providing appropriate coverage? I'm not sure if this is much a worry for 4x5 as opposed to like 8x10 but I've heard it's something you need to keep in mind and account for. Most LF lenses indicate their circle of coverage so you can check that against the maximum movements allowed by your LF camera to see if the coverage is sufficient. So far, on field cameras like the Chamonix, most LF lenses have sufficient coverage, it only really starts to matter seriously on some of those technical or monorail cameras where the rise/shift can be pretty drat generous.
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Some more Ektar in my Chamonix, loving it so far. 
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