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Jul 28, 2019 01:18
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Necrothatcher posted:Are you implying that this show has raped its viewers?
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Jul 28, 2019 01:31
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Show is gonna be like Twin Peaks season 3 where they don’t explain any of the crazy poo poo.
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Jul 28, 2019 02:20
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GreenNight posted:Show is gonna be like Twin Peaks season 3 where they don’t explain any of the crazy poo poo. i like this show but its nowhere near that level
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Jul 28, 2019 02:43
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DaveKap posted:No and it's posts like this that make these discussions less fun. Stop assuming the worst and give people the benefit of the doubt sometimes. "Why would you respond to my words instead of my vague sense of injustice" is a pretty good parallel to David tbh
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Jul 28, 2019 03:01
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rapeface posted:"Why would you respond to my words instead of my vague sense of injustice" is a pretty good parallel to David tbh I keep forgetting to mention it here but if you like weird time travel shenanigans I highly recommend Dark on Netflix. It's a German show that's got 2 of its 3 seasons complete (it was conceived as a 3-season show, apparently) and the way it deals with the paradoxical nature of time travel is pretty entertaining. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 03:19 on Jul 28, 2019 |
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Jul 28, 2019 03:10
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DaveKap posted:
I don't know what the point of David's sister was. Also it's kinda weird since if that weapon can reproduce someone from their DNA (he takes a piece of the Lenny corpse from the grave to do it) that why doesn't Farouk just sacrifice some random stranger and clone himself so he can stop David. I take the cave to be some sort of place that they trapped evil mutants in, like the crazy Legion version of the Raft since it's some desolate place that makes everyone (the monks) go insane from being near it and has other weird properties. The monk makes a reference to agreeing to take the body of Farouk and it being a mistake. The Minotaur had some sort of power-dampening thing that Melanie Farouk removes. I'm guessing the Minotaur did some bad poo poo and Professor X or someone alley-ooped him into the cave next to Farouk. Melanie Farouk also addresses him in Farsi, so it's possible the two even knew each other in their previous lives. DaveKap posted:In a way, it's brilliant. The show has exploited the viewer in the same way David may have exploited Syd. That's some solid immersion! In another way, that's how you lose enough viewers to have to cut your show down to a 3-season stint. (Was it always supposed to be 3 seasons? I actually don't know.) I don't think FX really cares about ratings that much. They have stuff like The Americans that never gets many people watching it and it goes on for multiple seasons because they know it's good. I think I read an interview with Hawley where he said it was more a nice creative sandbox place than working at the parent network with Bones. I guess that's how you get Chris Rock for something like Fargo where the audience hovers around 1 million.
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Jul 28, 2019 08:34
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Davids sister existed to be someone completely innocent whose life was destroyed by her relation to him. In a kind of extension of how he negatively impacted her life when he was an addict, his exposure as a mutant caused her to have to relocate out into the desert for safety only to get arbitrarily murdered by something outside of her comprehension for almost no real reason. I think Farouk killed her specifically to push David over the edge and make him a little bit more like himself but it was more than a little self-sabotaging considering David was working with him at that point and if it wasn't for Syd it would have directly led to him getting his goddamn head smashed open.
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Jul 28, 2019 22:44
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Necrothatcher posted:Are you implying that this show has raped its viewers? Nephthys posted:Davids sister existed to be someone completely innocent whose life was destroyed by her relation to him. In a kind of extension of how he negatively impacted her life when he was an addict, his exposure as a mutant caused her to have to relocate out into the desert for safety only to get arbitrarily murdered by something outside of her comprehension for almost no real reason. DaveKap fucked around with this message at 23:01 on Jul 28, 2019 |
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Jul 28, 2019 22:56
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DaveKap posted:The point I was trying to make was that the specific flip-flop Legion made was one that exploited its viewers. This is why you get posts like this: Great post, I appreciate the amount of thought you put into it. I agree generally with your analysis and think it's a very fair criticism of the show. I personally felt season 2 was pretty good until the finale. Was it as well put together as season 1? Heck no! But to be fair I imagine season 1 was sold as a contained story, perhaps as a miniseries with little thought given to the possibility of subsequent seasons. Season 2 was definitely a bit of a mess at times but it still had a lot of great moments, incredible performances and interesting things to say I feel. I'm very curious about how the finale was written, weren't they given an extra episode? Was this tacked on or the plan all along? I'll also reiterate that I didn't have a problem with them choosing to go the route they did but do feel it was executed poorly and clearly alienated a lot of the audience. With regards to David's sister I feel that if they had not introduced Ghost Amy I would have been fine with it ending with her becoming Lenny. I feel the show did a reasonable job of justifying the action behind it. Farouk was testing an experimental device that would allow him to transfer himself into a new body. It also acted as a way of provoking David, it follows up on his speech regarding them being Gods and reality being what they make it. But then they did Ghost Amy and yeah, what the gently caress? I always got the impression that the Minotaur and the maze were extensions of either the Shadow King or existed as a part of the ever-changing desert where his body was. Either way they were clearly under his control and felt like devices to symbolize him using his powers to control or manipulate others. It also was probably a follow up to the yellow-eyed monster haunting David in season one too. I don't know, I'm fine with weird poo poo coming up that isn't necessarily explained or fully delved into. For example why did a seemingly endless number of monks with bizarre sling-like sonic weapons come out of a giant sink drain in the desert? Because we need a reason to watch Kerry kick some rear end and that's fine by me, in moderation not at the expense of the story etc... I'm pretty pumped for the final stretch, can't stop listening to their cover of Peace, Love and Understanding. Anyone who says there is no one to root for can go gently caress themselves, I'm sending out all my good vibes to get a happy ending for Cary/Kerry.
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Jul 29, 2019 03:00
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Nephthys posted:Davids sister existed to be someone completely innocent whose life was destroyed by her relation to him. As did Lenny, essentially, so it’s kind of fitting they would be combined. Though it’s hard to say how much of a close reading is appropriate in situations like this. Like it would make sense that they both have significance as people (women?) close to him who he used up until their demise, but I could also see them being cases of the writers just awkwardly writing them out of the show once they moved outside the scope of the main plot.
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Jul 29, 2019 05:18
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Oh poo poo, Mantzoukas out of nowhere.
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Jul 30, 2019 03:04
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I'm sure this won't be to everyone's taste but this is 100% my poo poo
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Jul 30, 2019 03:42
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Psychic rap battle gently caress yes
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Jul 30, 2019 03:50
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howe_sam posted:Oh poo poo, Mantzoukas out of nowhere. this show is so good
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Jul 30, 2019 03:55
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This is so loving good
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Jul 30, 2019 03:58
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If only the message would be heard by more showrunners. Like the people who run Westworld. "See? This is what you can do when your episodes tell complete stories. You can go this crazy and absurd and out there, and still end up at a place that makes sense."
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Jul 30, 2019 05:14
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MIGHTY STRAW
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Jul 30, 2019 05:36
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Holy poo poo this season has been so good. I want so badly for them to stick the landing.
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Jul 30, 2019 06:46
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Madurai posted:MIGHTY STRAW
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Jul 30, 2019 13:52
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I am a bit nervous whether or not they can wrap everything up in just two episodes, but I can't complain about Jemaine Clement participating in a rap battle. I only know Mantzoukas from The Good Place, he was a lot more tolerable in this.
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Jul 30, 2019 16:43
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This is the least annoying character he has ever played
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Jul 30, 2019 16:54
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His expressions and emoting as The Wolf were fantastic. At the end of the rap battle after Oliver wins by making the wolf feel really bad about being alone and unloved (lmao), the way The Wolf's sadness instantly turns to smug victory as he walks away with the girl was incredibly good the epitome of 
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Jul 30, 2019 17:05
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also really looking forward next week and seeing "prime Farouk"
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Jul 30, 2019 17:06
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Nevvy Z posted:This is the least annoying character he has ever played Counterpoint: the time he played Eddie Aikau on Drink History
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Jul 30, 2019 17:56
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Casting Jason Mantzoukas as the Big Bad Wolf was inspired and I don't think anyone else in the role would've resulted in a totally different character. But I'm one of those idiots that's always happy when he shows up in anything, even when he goes full Rafi. I loved this episode. It was a great sendoff for Melanie and Oliver that their characters deserved.
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Jul 30, 2019 19:29
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that was amazing. nothing really happened. gently caress that was good.
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Jul 30, 2019 21:08
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Glad they brought Jean Smart back for one more. she didn't have enough to do in season 2.
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Jul 30, 2019 21:14
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Haha, that episode ruled. I will never, ever get tired of a late title reveal.
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Jul 30, 2019 22:08
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“She’s lost her innocence, which is a win for this guy” 
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Jul 31, 2019 00:16
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So the subplot was basicallyOliver and Melanie are stuck in the astral plane, they protect and nurture a Syd who was knocked down to studs by the Legion. He fights a malevolent entity on the plane but doesn't kill him and Syd puts herself back together on the good fight narrative? I don't get why Melanie was happy about the fantasy ending at the end.
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Jul 31, 2019 03:18
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beanieson posted:Nah, I just found it, it’s this CAPT. Rainbowbeard posted:What bit would that be? Les Jeunes de Paris. A bunch of teens in a Parisian cafe flirt, break out into dance, and do a bunch of extremely French things. It wasn't the one where Emma Stone was host. Dr Christmas fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Jul 31, 2019 |
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Jul 31, 2019 03:21
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:So the subplot was basicallyOliver and Melanie are stuck in the astral plane, they protect and nurture a Syd who was knocked down to studs by the Legion. He fights a malevolent entity on the plane but doesn't kill him and Syd puts herself back together on the good fight narrative? i think it's more like syd is reborn in a place where she's loved and cared for, experiencing a life without the trauma she suffered, helping her move on to doing the right thing motivated by empathy rather than whatever vengeance the shadow king had been pushing her towards
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Jul 31, 2019 03:32
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eke out posted:i think it's more like syd is reborn in a place where she's loved and cared for, experiencing a life without the trauma she suffered, helping her move on to doing the right thing motivated by empathy rather than whatever vengeance the shadow king had been pushing her towards The protagonist was defeated, went on a quest to the underworld, and returned to the land of the living with the knowledge of what she has to do.
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Jul 31, 2019 03:38
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I am not a fan of the "hey this huge world is actually inside the small thing!" stuff that gets used a lot lately, but this worked really well. I was dreading the rap battle, but it pulled it off. It could have very easily been the Robin Williams old white guy who raps, but nope. It was still a Dad Rap Battle, but it was really good. Looked like they were going to leave Kerri behind so fight the blue meanies, but nope, she casually kicks one and then walks into the time portal.
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Jul 31, 2019 05:48
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:So the subplot was basicallyOliver and Melanie are stuck in the astral plane, they protect and nurture a Syd who was knocked down to studs by the Legion. He fights a malevolent entity on the plane but doesn't kill him and Syd puts herself back together on the good fight narrative? I think she was happy to see Oliver get a little passion back and fight for what's right. He'd mostly been pretty passive about the wolf; "We need to move". This was him stepping up and confronting him head on while balancing that with mercy and not melting him.
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Jul 31, 2019 06:04
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:I don't get why Melanie was happy about the fantasy ending at the end. (Oliver seemed like he remembered everything though, or knew how to recall his memories at will.) J33uk posted:I think she was happy to see Oliver get a little passion back and fight for what's right. He'd mostly been pretty passive about the wolf; "We need to move". This was him stepping up and confronting him head on while balancing that with mercy and not melting him.
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Jul 31, 2019 06:36
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MokBa posted:I loved this episode. It was a great sendoff for Melanie and Oliver that their characters deserved. twistedmentat posted:I am not a fan of the "hey this huge world is actually inside the small thing!" stuff that gets used a lot lately, but this worked really well. I was dreading the rap battle, but it pulled it off. It could have very easily been the Robin Williams old white guy who raps, but nope. It was still a Dad Rap Battle, but it was really good. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DYVIFGqorLI So as soon as he said "rap battle" I was like "I don't even loving care how useless this episode will be to the whole series, this is now the best episode of the season" and then the rap happened and it was the best episode of the season. And MokBa posted:Casting Jason Mantzoukas as the Big Bad Wolf was inspired Noah Hawley needs to work on episodic shows. loving give him Twilight Zone, Tales from the Crypt, or Black Mirror, dude would knock it out of the goddamn park.
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Jul 31, 2019 08:04
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AtraMorS posted:I dunno, he seemed like he knew what he was doing. He wasn't being passive exactly; he just didn't respond with aggression. He wanted Syd's faux-childhood to go in a certain order so she'd learn love before hate and safety before conflict and so on. It fucks that up if Syd sees him going off to fight all the time, so he instead tries to talk her around and through the frightening things that prompt the Wolf to show up. In Oliver's view, that's what will give her the sense of security and confidence to do the right things herself. I fully agree with this actually. For me the whole episode was about contrast three parenting styles. You had Oliver going with the idea of fully shielding young Sid, not talking about "before" and not letting her consider the city (reality) and all of it's implications. Then you've got The Wolf who is 100% the lovely parent who decides you need to learn the hard lessons, going off about STDs to a 4-5 year old and trying to expose the absolutely worst about humanity. Then you've got Melanie who manages to strike a balance between the two, explaining Chlamydia in a way that's both scientifically accurate but also couched in compassion and understanding. I think the rap battle scene with the Wolf comes when Oliver realizes that fully shielding her is impossible and that he needs to both expose her to the real world but also back to her to the hilt, which is some Melanie hasn't seen in him in sometime as to some extent he's been burying his head in the sand. The relationship between Oliver and Melanie is genuinely awesome and I love what Jean and Jermaine bring to their performances. Also if you'd told me I'd have written that last paragraph when FX announced an X-Men show about Xavier's son then I'd have been blown away. What a weird and beautiful show that's so open to interpretation. If something bad happens to Cary or Kerry I'm going to be an utter wreck, they're just such beautiful contrasts to each other and every scene with them is a pleasure. TLDR: Kerry, kick more blue meanies in the face.
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DaveKap posted:
Oh yea, but isn't the thing with FotC is they're supposed to be bad and thats with them writing it, not someone else. I did not know what to expect from it. I really should just trust this show, its never let me down so far.
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Jul 31, 2019 08:34
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