Register a SA Forums Account here!
JOINING THE SA FORUMS WILL REMOVE THIS BIG AD, THE ANNOYING UNDERLINED ADS, AND STUPID INTERSTITIAL ADS!!!

You can: log in, read the tech support FAQ, or request your lost password. This dumb message (and those ads) will appear on every screen until you register! Get rid of this crap by registering your own SA Forums Account and joining roughly 150,000 Goons, for the one-time price of $9.95! We charge money because it costs us money per month for bills, and since we don't believe in showing ads to our users, we try to make the money back through forum registrations.
Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
[Edit Poll (moderators only)]

 
  • Post
  • Reply
Colonel Taint
Mar 14, 2004



Convenient that the line saying "we should take the pill" is not underlined.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Glasses Optional posted:

Re: Buttcudgel, i see the points on folks downing on him saying hes using his service somehow disingenuously. I guess I don't buy that it makes him an evil liar though.

I joined the reserves a week after 9/11 in a land locked state, and while my job in Iraq was adjacent to what the Hurt Locker depicted (hated that movie for inaccuracies) and i have photos of myself like Pete does above, i guess its hard for me to automatically reject him because of those passages in his book. I dont see them as incorrecr because you DID have to train on that stuff, and i actually experienced some of it.
Because my experience so mirrors his own minus the whiteness and privilege.


So..is there anything besides the military service that makes him an evil dishonest person? This isnt the only thread I've seen that said here and thats the most explanation ive seen, his military service.

Buttman joined the reserves eight years after 9/11 and deliberately got himself into a cushy desk job and he very conveniently did it just before running for office, yet he goes around and pretends that he's hot poo poo despite being a glorified accountant/chauffeur.

Also there's all the bullshit he got up to as mayor, but that's been elaborated on at length already.

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Glasses Optional posted:

Re: Buttcudgel, i see the points on folks downing on him saying hes using his service somehow disingenuously. I guess I don't buy that it makes him an evil liar though.

its stuff like "we need to ban weapons of war, like the ones i carried when i served" which is where the evilness comes from

he's piggybacking on the deaths of children to point out that he was technically in the military, then using that to argue an assault weapons ban that's a giant waste of time and energy, just because it's popular

those are deliberate acts. he's said the thing about the weapon he carried not being available on the streets multiple times, and it's grosser every time he does

if he gave a poo poo about substantially reducing gun violence, he'd be looking at the economic/social factors that drive people to the majority of gun crime

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


I can't drop this Williamson stuff.

Williamson is the spokesperson for a portion of our society that has been cowed into passive acceptance of their material deprivation. To wit, "we don't need that expensive medicine for healing, faith will be enough."

Potato Salad
Oct 23, 2014

nobody cares


"We didn't need that progress anyway, love is enough."

It is a medieval serfdom mindset for the perpetually oppressed masses.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN
Socialism has failed and thanks to the destruction of the biosphere living standards will necessarily go down for the average American. New Age spirituality is the only belief system that will teach them to cope with this reality through love rather than hate.

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。

Glasses Optional posted:

Re: Buttcudgel, i see the points on folks downing on him saying hes using his service somehow disingenuously. I guess I don't buy that it makes him an evil liar though.

I joined the reserves a week after 9/11 in a land locked state, and while my job in Iraq was adjacent to what the Hurt Locker depicted (hated that movie for inaccuracies) and i have photos of myself like Pete does above, i guess its hard for me to automatically reject him because of those passages in his book. I dont see them as incorrecr because you DID have to train on that stuff, and i actually experienced some of it.
Because my experience so mirrors his own minus the whiteness and privilege.


So..is there anything besides the military service that makes him an evil dishonest person? This isnt the only thread I've seen that said here and thats the most explanation ive seen, his military service.

he loving sucks for 15 reasons, stop with loving Steven crowder “change my mind” poo poo

Go vote for him since you clearly didn’t read the current affairs article or anything that isn’t a vanity fair glowing review

Glasses Optional
Apr 23, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

mormonpartyboat posted:

its stuff like "we need to ban weapons of war, like the ones i carried when i served" which is where the evilness comes from

he's piggybacking on the deaths of children to point out that he was technically in the military, then using that to argue an assault weapons ban that's a giant waste of time and energy, just because it's popular

those are deliberate acts. he's said the thing about the weapon he carried not being available on the streets multiple times, and it's grosser every time he does

if he gave a poo poo about substantially reducing gun violence, he'd be looking at the economic/social factors that drive people to the majority of gun crime

The mayor stuff does absolutely seem troubling to me. The idea that he would demolish homes 'just cuz' is some mustache twirly stuff.

Doesnt Pete have a progressive outline on social stuff?

Phone
Jul 30, 2005

親子丼をほしい。
yeah he progressively sucks more and more when you read more about him

Colonel Taint
Mar 14, 2004


Potato Salad posted:

I can't drop this Williamson stuff.

Williamson is the spokesperson for a portion of our society that has been cowed into passive acceptance of their material deprivation. To wit, "we don't need that expensive medicine for healing, faith will be enough."

Literally at the top of this page, the passage in her book says you should take medicine doctors give you.

E: Mind you there's a good chance people reading this book in 1992 probably already believed some woo poo poo, so I'm looking at this from the perspective of her saying "you need to both believe in AND take your meds"

Colonel Taint fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Jul 31, 2019

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


when you hear "i wrote the drat bill!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvtQYsckLxk

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Glasses Optional posted:

The mayor stuff does absolutely seem troubling to me. The idea that he would demolish homes 'just cuz' is some mustache twirly stuff.

Doesnt Pete have a progressive outline on social stuff?

here's the thing about america: it turbo sucks

so if you lined up all the mayors in america by how Good they are, mayor pete would almost certainly be in the top 25%, but that's top 25% of mayors in a demon cracker nation that can't stop genociding non-white people either here or abroad

some people care about the relative Goodness of people. others care about the absolute Goodness. which is how you get people saying "but he's said a few things that aren't completely terrible" in response to "maybe we shouldn't have a snidley whiplash dipshit mayor as president"

the hardest thing about improving america, really improving america, once you're president, is willpower. america sucks so loving much that you can do nearly anything and still improve it (obamacare was based off a loving heritage foundation white paper, and was better than the status quo). but that doesn't mean the improvement is Good, and you need to keep fighting through the docility of the american voter to push for things that actually matter and will actually change things for the better, even if it takes a bit for things to work themselves out (like reparations, which need to address generational wealth among people who had that privilege denied to them)

Gripweed
Nov 8, 2018

https://twitter.com/elliotcwilliams/status/1156362024588382208?s=20

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

My Son is 37 and a staffer on the Biden campaign and he is very Upset

FlamingLiberal
Jan 18, 2009

Would you like to play a game?



steinrokkan posted:

Becoming a military accountant so you can take pictures of yourself in the barracks for when you run for office it's the definition of sociopath.
Yeah he screams ‘sociopath’ to me

Just look at how he dealt with the officer shooting a black guy in South Bend last month, where he met with the media first instead of the family, then held a town meeting or whatever where he just got dunked on by angry people for 30 minutes before bailing

Hieronymous Alloy
Jan 30, 2009


Why! Why!! Why must you refuse to accept that Dr. Hieronymous Alloy's Genetically Enhanced Cream Corn Is Superior to the Leading Brand on the Market!?!




Morbid Hound

Glasses Optional posted:

The mayor stuff does absolutely seem troubling to me. The idea that he would demolish homes 'just cuz' is some mustache twirly stuff.

Doesnt Pete have a progressive outline on social stuff?

mormonpartyboat posted:

here's the thing about america: it turbo sucks

so if you lined up all the mayors in america by how Good they are, mayor pete would almost certainly be in the top 25%, but that's top 25% of mayors in a demon cracker nation that can't stop genociding non-white people either here or abroad

some people care about the relative Goodness of people. others care about the absolute Goodness. which is how you get people saying "but he's said a few things that aren't completely terrible" in response to "maybe we shouldn't have a snidley whiplash dipshit mayor as president"

Yeah, Pete's relatively progressive compared to the overall field but that's not saying much because 95% of the field is awful.

Pete's more progressive than the median for currently elected Democrats. He's not progressive relative to the median for millenials.

Mr Ice Cream Glove
Apr 22, 2007

I am so terrified of losing in 2020, is a full medicare for all with no private insurance a guaruntee way Trump wins or is this a republican talking point?

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene
this is a country where even so-called leftist bernie sanders doesn't recognize gun violence as largely a racism/economic issue rather than the fault of people with a certain combination of cosmetic features on their guns

that people see him as way too extreme rather than an endearing moderate is the singing of our eulogy

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer

Glasses Optional posted:

The mayor stuff does absolutely seem troubling to me. The idea that he would demolish homes 'just cuz' is some mustache twirly stuff.

Doesnt Pete have a progressive outline on social stuff?

Extremely progressive outlines like covering up the police in his town being super racists, indeed.

Lightning Knight
Feb 24, 2012

Pray for Answer
Edit: owned by bad reception

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
MORE INDISPUTABLE PROOF I AM BAD AT POSTING
---------------->

sexpig by night posted:

I didn't watch but I assume because he's a glass eyed sociopath who just says whatever will get claps when his actual history of running South Bend was one of just outright contempt and hate for the poor and people of color, to the point where he literally tried to demolish poor peoples' homes with them living in it and saw pumping civil fines up as a 'revenue source' for his shithole city no one gives a poo poo about because what if they need, I dunno, a cool stadium or something.

This is not an accurate or fair characterization.

Also, im in South Bend this week.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

I am so terrified of losing in 2020, is a full medicare for all with no private insurance a guaruntee way Trump wins or is this a republican talking point?

private insurance couldn't survive in a world where medicare for all exists. why would you buy insurance that costs more and doesn't cover everything when you can get on the government plan?

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Mr Ice Cream Glove posted:

I am so terrified of losing in 2020, is a full medicare for all with no private insurance a guaruntee way Trump wins or is this a republican talking point?

both

republican talking points are manifested into Fact because the democrats cannot loving stop taking them at face value rather than calling them bullshit outright. see: the debate questions

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Groovelord Neato posted:

private insurance couldn't survive in a world where medicare for all exists. why would you buy insurance that costs more and doesn't cover everything when you can get on the government plan?

according to a couple people trying to hedge the bet, you need supplemental private insurance to cover things that the public insurance won't cover such as:

Craptacular!
Jul 9, 2001

Fuck the DH

Glasses Optional posted:

The mayor stuff does absolutely seem troubling to me. The idea that he would demolish homes 'just cuz' is some mustache twirly stuff.

I’ll say that the home demolishment stuff has some poor reporting going on, as out of ~560 demolitions the biggest opponents voiced in the articles are two persons. One bought a house after it had been marked for demolition and had a difficult time dealing with the city bureaucracy to preserve it, and the other had intentions of being a landlord for nine properties but couldn’t afford to make the renovations when a family member fell ill and medical bills ate up their renovations budget. Which is to say, both victims in this event were facing problems either directly created by capitalism or were capitalism-adjacent. That one lady’s story could be spun positively into a “never again” thing if Pete only supported real Medicare For All instead of Medicare For Those
Who Can Afford To Buy In.

There’s a couple other events like this that can be basically chalked up to bad optics, but the real problem with Pete’s candidacy is his going to bat for racist cops. (Are they racist? We don’t know because Pete is sealing evidence. Which means they’re most likely racist.)

Craptacular! fucked around with this message at 14:09 on Jul 31, 2019

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene
we need to allow private insurance for cosmetic surgery, something people absolutely definitely have right now and isnt something i just made up four hours into my meditation session in a portapotty in the miami heat

Party Plane Jones
Jul 1, 2007

by Reene
Fun Shoe
https://twitter.com/EricLevitz/status/1156475954241449984?s=20

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

GreyjoyBastard posted:

what a peculiar misunderstanding to have.

why would anyone hold this opinion?

Because they're morons.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

Pander posted:

Maybe she had the correct takeaway from 2016 that "look at my webpage" is the worst loving thing. I'm actually ashamed that Bernie plugged his site. Nobody will go there because you gave the URL, my man.

"Look at my webpage" was a policy explanation. You're completely off the mark here. Bernie wants volunteers.

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

Pander posted:

Maybe she had the correct takeaway from 2016 that "look at my webpage" is the worst loving thing. I'm actually ashamed that Bernie plugged his site. Nobody will go there because you gave the URL, my man.

and yet you posted this on a website


curious

pocket pool
Aug 4, 2003

B U T T S

Bleak Gremlin
He talked about his website? Wow what a fuckin’ nerd!

Glasses Optional
Apr 23, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Craptacular! posted:

I’ll say that the home demolishment stuff has some poor reporting going on, as out of ~560 demolitions the biggest opponents voiced in the articles are two persons. One bought a house after it had been marked for demolition and had a difficult time dealing with the city bureaucracy to preserve it, and the other had intentions of being a landlord for nine properties but couldn’t afford to make the renovations when a family member fell ill and medical bills ate up their renovations budget. Which is to say, both victims in this event were facing problems either directly created by capitalism or were capitalism-adjacent. That one lady’s story could be spun positively into a “never again” thing if Pete only supported real Medicare For All instead of Medicare For Those
Who Can Afford To Buy In.

There’s a couple other events like this that can be basically chalked up to bad optics, but the real problem with Pete’s candidacy is his going to bat for racist cops. (Are they racist? We don’t know because Pete is sealing evidence. Which means they’re most likely racist.)

Oh drat protecting racist cops? In the first debate he referenced he was unable to do things per protocol and couldnt act. Seemed sketchy. Is this the sa me thing or is he actively blocking looking into racist cops?

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin
Ok where are the polls? I need to see the numbers go up. Please god let the numbers go up.

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Glasses Optional posted:

Oh drat protecting racist cops? In the first debate he referenced he was unable to do things per protocol and couldnt act. Seemed sketchy. Is this the sa me thing or is he actively blocking looking into racist cops?

he took action against a black police chief that reported his racist police officers and forced the guy to resign

as for going "by protocol" and "couldn't act", institutional racism means than protocol results in dead black people and no justice for them or their families and loved ones. hiding behind protocol when you had an innocent black man killed by the cops is a loving coward's move

edit: to be even more clear for you, the guy pete was refusing to take sides on killed a black man he claimed was armed with a knife. said guy has a reported history of racist comments about and towards black people and did not have his bodycam on when he shot eric j logan to death. eric's family claims he had just left a family gathering and didn't have a knife.

"following protocol" here means not taking sides and letting the cops "no angel" yet another black man they killed. it also means treating a suspicious as gently caress story about a black man with a knife menacingly approaching armed police and ignoring all warnings to drop the knife, and ignoring that the cops had their body cams off, which was ignoring their protocol.

Condiv fucked around with this message at 14:46 on Jul 31, 2019

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo
So, who still says Liz can't be forceful with Trump in a debate later on? Liz is stronger than people give her credit for. I love when she goes Full Schoolteacher on someone asking a poo poo question:

https://twitter.com/seankent/status/1156466287868035072

EDIT: it needs to be said again and again but turbofuck Chris Matthews.

Arist
Feb 13, 2012

who, me?


Lol, Delaney went on loving Fox News to complain about Warren attacking him:

https://twitter.com/WPJohnWagner/status/1156537289595662341

Condiv
May 7, 2008

Sorry to undo the effort of paying a domestic abuser $10 to own this poster, but I am going to lose my dang mind if I keep seeing multiple posters who appear to be Baloogan.

With love,
a mod


Arist posted:

Lol, Delaney went on loving Fox News to complain about Warren attacking him:

https://twitter.com/WPJohnWagner/status/1156537289595662341

nice avatar/delaney post combo

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!

VH4Ever posted:

So, who still says Liz can't be forceful with Trump in a debate later on? Liz is stronger than people give her credit for. I love when she goes Full Schoolteacher on someone asking a poo poo question:

https://twitter.com/seankent/status/1156466287868035072

EDIT: it needs to be said again and again but turbofuck Chris Matthews.

She was begging for moderator time. She is going to get eaten alive.

pseudanonymous
Aug 30, 2008

When you make the second entry and the debits and credits balance, and you blow them to hell.

VH4Ever posted:

So, who still says Liz can't be forceful with Trump in a debate later on? Liz is stronger than people give her credit for. I love when she goes Full Schoolteacher on someone asking a poo poo question:

https://twitter.com/seankent/status/1156466287868035072

EDIT: it needs to be said again and again but turbofuck Chris Matthews.

It's nice to see a Democrat refusing to buy into bullshit Republican framing.

Adbot
ADBOT LOVES YOU

HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

VH4Ever posted:

So, who still says Liz can't be forceful with Trump in a debate later on? Liz is stronger than people give her credit for. I love when she goes Full Schoolteacher on someone asking a poo poo question:

https://twitter.com/seankent/status/1156466287868035072

EDIT: it needs to be said again and again but turbofuck Chris Matthews.

I watch this and come to the opposite conclusion. She's right, but comes off as evasive and weak when Chris tries to pin her down.
Warren was at her best last night when she was asked a question and got full time to answer. I thought she looked terrible when she was in "15 second rebuttal" situations. She can't keep her points short and keeps getting cut off and is stuck saying "this is important!" as we cut away from her.

  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
  • Post
  • Reply