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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

mycomancy posted:

Numbers Fucksteinian policies aren't nuanced.

I mean, "yes your taxes will go up but you won't have to pay for healthcare directly" counts as nuanced in this race.

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my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

John Delaney is a fuckin nobody who will best be remembered in history as "that guy Elizabeth Warren dunked on at a debate once"

everyone else can see this, why can't he see this and drop out. what kind of egotistical galaxy brain do you have to have to think "ah yes in a race where Joe Biden is running, I have a strong chance as a white male centrist to win"

Chilichimp
Oct 24, 2006

TIE Adv xWampa

It wamp, and it stomp

Grimey Drawer
"I'm going to destroy health insurance and help enact a system that will cost nothing at point of care for anyone in America, and that will require some tax changes"

IS NOT WHAT NUMBERS FUCKSTEIN MEANS YOU GODDAMN HACKS

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

my bony fealty posted:

John Delaney is a fuckin nobody who will best be remembered in history as "that guy Elizabeth Warren dunked on at a debate once"

everyone else can see this, why can't he see this and drop out. what kind of egotistical galaxy brain do you have to have to think "ah yes in a race where Joe Biden is running, I have a strong chance as a white male centrist to win"

He doesn't even have an actual platform other than being contrarian to Sanders and Warren, why would he think he had any chance past the primary

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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FlamingLiberal posted:

The debate is much sadder when you realize Delaney paid out of his own pocket to be a punching bag for 2 1/2 hours last night

Millionaires and their money should be separated. But also, the audience he's going for probably thought he did great.

Helsing
Aug 23, 2003

DON'T POST IN THE ELECTION THREAD UNLESS YOU :love::love::love: JOE BIDEN

BENGHAZI 2 posted:

When Dredd says he's the law it's not a good thing so maybe don't evoke that

*one blue ocean event later, a gang of mutant kids beats you with chains and tire irons and then steals your last package of government issued mealworm powder*

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Chilichimp posted:

You're right, it's Bernie's plan.

Her plan for implementing it is to win the Senate, nuke the filibuster, and pass Bernie's bill.

Then it sounds to me like it'd be a better idea to cut out the middleman, or middlewoman in this particular case.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


Chilichimp posted:

They REALLY want Warren to just "ADMIT IT ADMIT IT YOU BITCH!" that people will pay taxes under her plan that will remove all of their healthcare/insurance costs.

To the point that Hard-Baller-who-balls-hard won't accept the core premise that taxes aren't the only expense that people in America have.

CNN was blatantly trying to get a tax soundbite out of both Bernie and Warren last night, it was infuriating and the biased moderating was a big reason I walked away after 20-30 minutes, I was about to start yelling at the TV in the restaurant where I work at.

VH4Ever posted:

So, who still says Liz can't be forceful with Trump in a debate later on? Liz is stronger than people give her credit for. I love when she goes Full Schoolteacher on someone asking a poo poo question:

https://twitter.com/seankent/status/1156466287868035072

EDIT: it needs to be said again and again but turbofuck Chris Matthews.

I'm all in for Bernie but Warren did exceptionally well last night and I think a lot of internet leftists aren't allowing themselves to recognize that.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

SKULL.GIF posted:

I'm all in for Bernie but Warren did exceptionally well last night and I think a lot of internet leftists aren't allowing themselves to recognize that.

Four years of simmering regret is a hell of a drug

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

SKULL.GIF posted:

I'm all in for Bernie but Warren did exceptionally well last night and I think a lot of internet leftists aren't allowing themselves to recognize that.

her main problem has never really been that she won't support/push good ideas compared to the rest of the field, her main problem has always been that her style isn't suited for the presidency

she needs hours of cspan talking time, the president needs 15 second soundbites

this was true back in like 2012 when people were arguing for her as obama's vp

mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Chilichimp posted:

"I'm going to destroy health insurance and help enact a system that will cost nothing at point of care for anyone in America, and that will require some tax changes"

IS NOT WHAT NUMBERS FUCKSTEIN MEANS YOU GODDAMN HACKS

Huh, you should link me to where that's her plan.

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

HootTheOwl posted:

Well I'm sure CNN will learn their lesson come their inevitable general election debate, and also Trump will let her have endless time to make her points.

You think the format is the same during a 2 person debate? Who says CNN is even doing one for the general, I thought it was the Major Networks only that got those. You're just talking out your rear end here.


...the gently caress is this all about and why should anyone care?

SKULL.GIF posted:

I'm all in for Bernie but Warren did exceptionally well last night and I think a lot of internet leftists aren't allowing themselves to recognize that.

Correct. Same.

Main Paineframe
Oct 27, 2010

my bony fealty posted:

John Delaney is a fuckin nobody who will best be remembered in history as "that guy Elizabeth Warren dunked on at a debate once"

everyone else can see this, why can't he see this and drop out. what kind of egotistical galaxy brain do you have to have to think "ah yes in a race where Joe Biden is running, I have a strong chance as a white male centrist to win"

The moderate-right punditry thinks he did a great job. For example, two Washington Post columnists have already declared that Warren and Delaney were the debate winners, and that Beto and M4A were the debate losers.

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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https://twitter.com/SenJohnKennedy/status/1156576768796573696

If John Delaney was the D nominee, Republicans would call him a socialist. No one should ever forget that they will ALWAYS argue in bad faith.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Chilichimp posted:

"I'm going to destroy health insurance and help enact a system that will cost nothing at point of care for anyone in America, and that will require some tax changes"

IS NOT WHAT NUMBERS FUCKSTEIN MEANS YOU GODDAMN HACKS

No, but her policies are numbers fuckstein.

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VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Judakel posted:

No, but her policies are numbers fuckstein.

Jesus Christ. The amount of time spent ITT making up idiotic terms for poo poo and then endlessly circle jerking over what it REALLY means, maaaan is astounding. Shut the gently caress up.

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

Judakel posted:

No, but her policies are numbers fuckstein.

Are you having a stroke

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Main Paineframe posted:

The moderate-right punditry thinks he did a great job. For example, two Washington Post columnists have already declared that Warren and Delaney were the debate winners, and that Beto and M4A were the debate losers.

I am struggling to think of anyone who cares what the chattering classes think

Like if I'm a boomer Democrat am I gonna read the Post and say "hm, I think I'll stop giving Biden money and get behind Delaney instead" because of some dumb poo poo David Frum or whoever said

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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VH4Ever posted:

Jesus Christ. The amount of time spent ITT making up idiotic terms for poo poo and then endlessly circle jerking over what it REALLY means, maaaan is astounding. Shut the gently caress up.

Attacking Warren bothers you, but I don't care.

CuddleCryptid posted:

Are you having a stroke

That isn't her policy. Do you get it?

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Warren did awful last night and looked terrible with her rebuttals .

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

Judakel posted:

Attacking Warren bothers you, but I don't care.

Believe what you want but no, truly, I was responding directly to how loving massively stupid this "numbers fuckstein" poo poo is. You motherfuckers spent DAYS arguing about it a month ago and here we go again. Shut. The. gently caress. Up.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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VH4Ever posted:

Believe what you want but no, truly, I was responding directly to how loving massively stupid this "numbers fuckstein" poo poo is. You motherfuckers spent DAYS arguing about it a month ago and here we go again. Shut. The. gently caress. Up.

No. Stop this habit of yours of telling the thread what they can talk about. Leave that to the mods.

Wicked Them Beats
Apr 1, 2007

Moralists don't really *have* beliefs. Sometimes they stumble on one, like on a child's toy left on the carpet. The toy must be put away immediately. And the child reprimanded.


lol oh was it Ryan who didn't have his hand over his heart? All the interchangeable 1% nobodies blur together for me.

Victory Position
Mar 16, 2004

my bony fealty posted:

John Delaney is a fuckin nobody who will best be remembered in history as "that guy Elizabeth Warren dunked on at a debate once"

everyone else can see this, why can't he see this and drop out. what kind of egotistical galaxy brain do you have to have to think "ah yes in a race where Joe Biden is running, I have a strong chance as a white male centrist to win"

John Kasich ate a sandwich and John Delaney rode a slide

who the hell is Tim Ryan and what tube did they manufacture him in, anyway?

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

VH4Ever posted:

Jesus Christ. The amount of time spent ITT making up idiotic terms for poo poo and then endlessly circle jerking over what it REALLY means, maaaan is astounding. Shut the gently caress up.

gently caress you, shiteater.

Her policies blow, they should be "health care and education are infallable rights in our society." Full stop, no question or concern about who is getting what or how we'll pay for it BECAUSE MONEY ISNT loving REAL JUST PRINT MORE.

Any candidate saying, "well there's many roads to take like blah blah blah" is going to generate a Numbers Fuckstein policy in place of state provided health care and higher ed.

In conclusion, get into the Atlantic and keep walking east, smoothbrain.

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mormonpartyboat
Jan 14, 2015

by Reene
you utter cretins, fuckstein was the doctor, it was the numbers that was the monster

CuddleCryptid
Jan 11, 2013

Things could be going better

mycomancy posted:

gently caress you, shiteater.

Her policies blow, they should be "health care and education are infallable rights in our society." Full stop, no question or concern about who is getting what or how we'll pay for it BECAUSE MONEY ISNT loving REAL JUST PRINT MORE.

Any candidate saying, "well there's many roads to take like blah blah blah" is going to generate a Numbers Fuckstein policy in place of state provided health care and higher ed.

In conclusion, get into the Atlantic and keep walking east, smoothbrain.

Right wing: Socialists just want to print more money to pay for things!

Actual socialists: Uh no, we aren't morons, that is why we are pushing for redistribution of weal-

Sa user mycomancy: PRINT PRINT PRINT I LEARNED ECONOMICS FROM A BITCOIN MINER

VH4Ever
Oct 1, 2005

by sebmojo

mycomancy posted:

gently caress you, shiteater.

Her policies blow, they should be "health care and education are infallable rights in our society." Full stop, no question or concern about who is getting what or how we'll pay for it BECAUSE MONEY ISNT loving REAL JUST PRINT MORE.

Any candidate saying, "well there's many roads to take like blah blah blah" is going to generate a Numbers Fuckstein policy in place of state provided health care and higher ed.

In conclusion, get into the Atlantic and keep walking east, smoothbrain.

Yeah I never argued against this one bit. Bernie is still my first choice over her for exactly this reason so we don't even disagree. That stupid term just makes me groan with annoyance is literally all I'm saying here.

Continue with your circle jerk though. Out.

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HootTheOwl
May 13, 2012

Hootin and shootin

VH4Ever posted:

You think the format is the same during a 2 person debate? Who says CNN is even doing one for the general, I thought it was the Major Networks only that got those. You're just talking out your rear end here.
I think that only a moron would assume Donald Trump is going to let you get your whole statement in before he interjects.

syntaxrigger
Jul 7, 2011

Actually you owe me 6! But who's countin?

Bernie and Warren are my top two folks I'd like to win but Warren talking about how much of a capitalist she is gets me nervous. My takeway from someone talking about how much of a capitalist they are is "I'll do all of this 'good' stuff for you provided I can make money on it". Profit + Healing people don't go well together.

mycomancy
Oct 16, 2016

CuddleCryptid posted:

Right wing: Socialists just want to print more money to pay for things!

Actual socialists: Uh no, we aren't morons, that is why we are pushing for redistribution of weal-

Sa user mycomancy: PRINT PRINT PRINT I LEARNED ECONOMICS FROM A BITCOIN MINER

Six of one half a dozen of the other. Just because you have the mental illness that little pieces of cotton paper or a collection of bits on a hard drive platter mean anything doesn't mean that we all have that affliction.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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HootTheOwl posted:

I think that only a moron would assume Donald Trump is going to let you get your whole statement in before he interjects.

WRONG!

What is a moderator even supposed to do in a two person debate? Withhold his time? He can just not attend the next one and you're hosed. In fact, part of me thinks he will just do that if an impeachment process starts. "The democrats are engaged in a witch hunt and this isn't worth my time". And it might get him re-elected anyway.

Ither
Jan 30, 2010

Debates don't matter in the General Election. The Electoral College prevents it.

Another good thing about Mayor Pete last night is that he mentioned getting rid of it.

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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Ither posted:

Debates don't matter in the General Election. The Electoral College prevents it.

Another good thing about Mayor Pete last night is that he mentioned getting rid of it.

It isn't going to happen until environmental changes completely destroy rural living and the only thing left out there in the middle of nowhere are automated farming equipment "farmers".

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


CuddleCryptid posted:

Right wing: Socialists just want to print more money to pay for things!

Actual socialists: Uh no, we aren't morons, that is why we are pushing for redistribution of weal-

Sa user mycomancy: PRINT PRINT PRINT I LEARNED ECONOMICS FROM A BITCOIN MINER

No, this is silly. We're redistributing wealth to reduce the disproportionate amount of power that the wealthy wield. At the same time, money isn't loving real, it's an abstract representation of what we colllectively choose to do as a society. Are you at all aware of MMT? Economists are bitcoin miners now?

mcmagic
Jul 1, 2004

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The fact is that Warren is running on what would be the best D platform since FDR and people are still crapping on her in this thread (even people who support Bernie as I do). It's dumb and non contextual. Bernie himself clearly likes her and would VASTLY prefer her to any other candidate running.

Punk da Bundo
Dec 29, 2006

by FactsAreUseless
Bernie has decorum poisoning . I’m not sure how much he genuinely likes a former Reaganite.

SKULL.GIF
Jan 20, 2017


mcmagic posted:

The fact is that Warren is running on what would be the best D platform since FDR and people are still crapping on her in this thread (even people who support Bernie as I do). It's dumb and non contextual. Bernie himself clearly likes her and would VASTLY prefer her to any other candidate running.

The thing about Warren is that she's clearly the second best choice, but at the same time I really wish she would've ran in 2016 if she's going to run this particular campaign. Too many of her policies would've been fine four years ago, but we're in a much tougher place as a country, and we have four fewer years to unfuck the planet before the clathrate guns go off. We need much more dramatic and drastic change now and I don't have faith that she'll push for what we need, right now, for 2020.

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Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
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I can't believe people have completely fair criticisms of Warren - even though I support Bernie, let me assure you for no particular reason.

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