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god loving poo poo maybe the tories were right along and we should burn the beeb to the ground
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Is it really that hard to not ask nazis about their views on being a nazi?
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Sudden Loud Noise posted:Is it really that hard to not ask nazis about their views on being a nazi? But don't you realise that if we just reach out to them and reason things out logically they'll change their mind?!
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V. Illych L. posted:well one assumes that it'd restart the Troubles, though it would likely be slow going at first before fresh funds reached the various paramilitaries and the bad blood got entrenched enough One assumes wrongly. The troubles were essentially a civil rights struggle which was violently resisted by the state and escalated out of its control and, much like the GFA, had basically nothing to do with the border.
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Jul 31, 2019 17:20
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can someone please recommend a half decent uk news source 
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bitmap posted:can someone please recommend a half decent uk news source
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fair and balanced
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https://twitter.com/TheNewEuropean/status/1156589188021665793
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Great Britain is the original Fyre Island
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Jul 31, 2019 21:26
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this is beyond parody how do you satirize this poo poo
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Jul 31, 2019 21:32
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Bryter posted:One assumes wrongly. The troubles were essentially a civil rights struggle which was violently resisted by the state and escalated out of its control and, much like the GFA, had basically nothing to do with the border. The GFA is very much reliant on an open border between the UK and Ireland, based on both countries being part of a common trade union. It doesn't go into specifics about how the border should be handled in the event of one country leaving the EU, because it was drafted 20 years ago when that scenario wasn't remotely conceivable. Likewise it also doesn't include details on how the peace agreement would work if the UK abolished democracy and returned to a feudal monarchy, or if Ireland abandoned its commitment to Earth and sided with the Free Mars Colonies. Nobody who worked on drafting the agreement ever conceived that one side might arbitrarily decide to abandon the underlying principles of peaceful European unity that are the core of the GFA.
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Jul 31, 2019 22:09
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loving hell Glastonbury costs about £100m how the gently caress are they spending 120m
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Farage is so loving good at politics. I know the rules for the left and the right are different and the "I wish we had a Trump/Farage for the left!" idea is played out, it's fundamentally different games and we do have our Corbyn/Bernie moment, but Farage is legit the most effective politician operating in the UK right now. bitmap posted:can someone please recommend a half decent uk news source There are no singularly good news sources anywhere, just be aware of the biases the sources you read have and factor that into how you interpret the reporting. But the Guardian is still the best UK news source. The more editorialised a story will be the more bullshit their coverage is, and the Opinion columns are loving dire, but for day to day reporting the Guardian is legit best by a mile.
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BMX Ninja posted:The GFA is very much reliant on an open border between the UK and Ireland, based on both countries being part of a common trade union. It doesn't go into specifics about how the border should be handled in the event of one country leaving the EU, because it was drafted 20 years ago when that scenario wasn't remotely conceivable. Likewise it also doesn't include details on how the peace agreement would work if the UK abolished democracy and returned to a feudal monarchy, or if Ireland abandoned its commitment to Earth and sided with the Free Mars Colonies. Who knew neoliberalism and austerity would gently caress things up for badly in the preceding 20 years
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Jose posted:loving hell Glastonbury costs about £100m how the gently caress are they spending 120m 100m in speaking fees to Farage and Bannon 20m in hush money for the underage sex trafficking victims in their glamping tents
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Jul 31, 2019 22:34
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Vitamin P posted:Farage is so loving good at politics. Repeatedly failing to do something that someone insane like George Galloway has managed to do in several different constituencies ?
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Jul 31, 2019 22:44
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Bryter posted:Great Britain is the original Fyre Island Works, given his brexit strategy is indistinguishable from "let's just do it and be legends."
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Jul 31, 2019 22:46
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Jul 31, 2019 22:47
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BMX Ninja posted:The GFA is very much reliant on an open border between the UK and Ireland, based on both countries being part of a common trade union. It doesn't go into specifics about how the border should be handled in the event of one country leaving the EU, because it was drafted 20 years ago when that scenario wasn't remotely conceivable. Likewise it also doesn't include details on how the peace agreement would work if the UK abolished democracy and returned to a feudal monarchy, or if Ireland abandoned its commitment to Earth and sided with the Free Mars Colonies. Labour were officially opposed to EEC membership into the 80s and Tory Eurosceptics had nearly collapsed the Major government. British withdrawal from the EU was not in fact totally unforeseeable in 1998, the notion that it was is stupid and ahistorical. The GFA is primarily concerned with setting up power sharing institutions which ensure nationalists a seat at the table because that was the primary issue leading up to the troubles, not the border. Nobody is going to take up arms because the UK and Ireland are no longer joint members of a trading bloc. Anyone violently opposed to a hard border was already violently opposed to a soft one. Not that popular a position as it turns out.
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Agean90 posted:this is beyond parody how do you satirize this poo poo By donning a monocle, top hat, and try to box queensbury rules anyone under your class.
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Jul 31, 2019 22:59
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jre posted:The guy who's never managed to get elected to the uk parliament despite loads of attempts ? on the other hand he is the most consequential briton in a generation because of the brexit its not "loser farage" its "loser britain"
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jre posted:The guy who's never managed to get elected to the uk parliament despite loads of attempts ? He's been the frontman for leaving the EU and dunno if you've checked in but he did pretty well on that. He has that shamelessness energy, he ignores the failures and just very competently tees up for the next point that he will again make very competently before reading the room very competently and teeing up again. And saying 'he's dumb because he's not an MP' that's silly as gently caress most people never will be MPs that doesn't mean we aren't political actors.
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also idk if anyone's been paying attention but it seems like the traditional routes to getting political power and influence might be changing??
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Vitamin P posted:He's been the frontman for leaving the EU and dunno if you've checked in but he did pretty well on that. Lmao, are still trying to kid on you're not a facist daily mail reader. That reads like fan fiction.
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hakimashou posted:on the other hand he is the most consequential briton in a generation because of the brexit for 18 years the right wing press and new labour liberals both agreed that everything that happens is framed as a vague internationalism, farage was a big figure but he was pushing an open door once neoliberalism immediately failed
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jre posted:Lmao, are still trying to kid on you're not a facist daily mail reader. That reads like fan fiction. i mean the man's stated goal was getting britain out of the eu and we're definitely maybe thinking about probably doing that, eventually
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Jul 31, 2019 23:08
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jre posted:The guy who's never managed to get elected to the uk parliament despite loads of attempts ? I mean for better or worse his political agenda is being pushed through. Whether or not he himself got elected is irrelevant.
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jre posted:Lmao, are still trying to kid on you're not a facist daily mail reader. That reads like fan fiction. I only read the daily mail if its the only paper in a cafe and am not a fascist you dumb useless oval office, farage doing extremely well is not fan fiction it's very obviously the reality we are living in. the question is do we learn from his success or not i think we should learn and that his relentless 'dont give a gently caress when im proved wrong keep pushing reality is a construct' energy is something we should copy
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Inexplicable Humblebrag posted:also idk if anyone's been paying attention but it seems like the traditional routes to getting political power and influence might be changing?? how do these wealthy, connected white men do it?!
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Jul 31, 2019 23:50
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Bryter posted:Labour were officially opposed to EEC membership into the 80s and Tory Eurosceptics had nearly collapsed the Major government. British withdrawal from the EU was not in fact totally unforeseeable in 1998, the notion that it was is stupid and ahistorical. You're very likely correct. My knowledge of politics doesn't extend back that far. The first thing I was old enough to vote for was the GFA referendum. At the time I was unaware of any underlying anti-EU sentiment in English politics; I just wanted a peaceful settlement in my country, which the GFA delivered. Bryter posted:The GFA is primarily concerned with setting up power sharing institutions which ensure nationalists a seat at the table because that was the primary issue leading up to the troubles, not the border. Power sharing institutions - cross-border institutions that co-ordinate trade, agriculture, energy supply, education, and a whole lot more, across the island of Ireland. All dependent on an open and frictionless border. Bryter posted:Nobody is going to take up arms because the UK and Ireland are no longer joint members of a trading bloc. Anyone violently opposed to a hard border was already violently opposed to a soft one. Not that popular a position as it turns out. The GFA was a hard-won political settlement that had just enough concessions over the status of NI to convince the PIRA to end their campaign of violence. It's been hanging on by a thread for the past 20 years with just enough goodwill from the Brits and hard work by Sinn Fein to keep them on-board. The PIRA have accepted the soft British border in Ireland for the past two decades. If you think that they would accept a hard British border on the island of Ireland in the future, well, I'd suggest you volunteer to manage one of the checkpoints.
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Vitamin P posted:He's been the frontman for leaving the EU and dunno if you've checked in but he did pretty well on that. You are a Nazi.
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Vitamin P posted:He's been the frontman for leaving the EU and dunno if you've checked in but he did pretty well on that. most people havent run 7 times
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BMX Ninja posted:Power sharing institutions - cross-border institutions that co-ordinate trade, agriculture, energy supply, education, and a whole lot more, across the island of Ireland. All dependent on an open and frictionless border. I'm primarily thinking of institutions which actually share power between nationalists and unionists, not cross border quangos that nobody cares about. quote:The GFA was a hard-won political settlement that had just enough concessions over the status of NI to convince the PIRA to end their campaign of violence. It's been hanging on by a thread for the past 20 years with just enough goodwill from the Brits and hard work by Sinn Fein to keep them on-board. The PIRA have accepted the soft British border in Ireland for the past two decades. If you think that they would accept a hard British border on the island of Ireland in the future, well, I'd suggest you volunteer to manage one of the checkpoints. PIRA were convinced to end their campaign of violence when the Eksund was intercepted and nationalist support started waning. They have done better out of the peace than any other group: SF are the biggest nationalist party in NI and the third largest party in the Dail. They would be insane morons to dig up rifles because of Brexit when the political road to unification is basically paved for them. They know better than anyone that it isn't 1968 anymore.
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I guess the question there is how much control does SF still have over the PIRA and its remnants, or opportunists in the RIRA.
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Coohoolin posted:I guess the question there is how much control does SF still have over the PIRA and its remnants, or opportunists in the RIRA. With BoJo at the helm England is probably going to be against the actual defence forces of Ireland, Germany and France after Ireland invokes the EU mutual defense clause.
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As someone who spent six months in Ireland during undergrad, and with a ton vacation time available, I'll be happy to fly over when it's less humid to support whatever whatever as long as I don't run into my ex. (Which may be impossible, you guys are so small.)
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Vitamin P posted:Farage is so loving good at politics. farage is a complete dumbass
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