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Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Remember that time Facebook did outright human experimentation on people without their knowledge or consent and it almost definitely caused a few suicides? Because I sure do but nobody else seems to which is real depressing.

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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
I should really get to work but I have 0 motivation. ugh.

Yeah let me rush to get your loan closed before the end of the month so your month end looks better!!! Oh cool you're collecting $10k in origination fees on a 9.99% interest loan over a 12 month term! cool cool

oh yeah it's a rush so we're charging you more!! more money for the boss!!!

meanwhile my pay is the same either way so gently caress you I'm poo poo posting

Dr. Killjoy
Oct 9, 2012

:thunk::mason::brainworms::tinfoil::thunkher:
if your teen is barred from looking at pornography and has google restricted search, they will simply use the Gettyimages catalog of well produced content.

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Mordin you really need to find a way to position yourself in a role that gets you at least a commission on these loans or something.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Panfilo posted:

Mordin you really need to find a way to position yourself in a role that gets you at least a commission on these loans or something.

I inquired as to this but sharing legal fees with non-attorneys is strictly prohibited as unethical by the state bar

:v:

I am going to try and get some kind of profit sharing or something going though yeah because this is dumb.

Rarity
Oct 21, 2010

~*4 LIFE*~

spacetoaster posted:

Because the science is starting to come out and it's not good. Kids are having HIGHER rates of depression, anxiety, poor body image, low self esteem, and loneliness. And it seems to be directly linked to online poo poo.

It's because capitalism, op

Byzantine
Sep 1, 2007

Eat your children when they're born to prevent them from rising up against you.

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Shame Boy posted:

Today is the day you finally figured out how to circumvent the stuff I put in place to keep you from looking up "big tiddy anime lady" on google images, just like your old man did back in the day. I'm so proud of you son :')

woods porn of gen z

Ruffian Price
Sep 17, 2016

Moridin920 posted:

Maybe all the teens are depressed because the world is clearly hurtling towards ecological disaster and no adults in charge seem to be doing gently caress all about it.
honestly seeing woke zoomers on social media brings me hope for the future, they certainly seem smarter and more self-aware than I was their age

these are the kids that narrowly missed being raised by elsa spiderman dental tickling videos though, who knows what'll come out of that

autism ZX spectrum
Feb 8, 2007

by Lowtax
Fun Shoe
I would have a hard time raising a kid nowadays. I see parents leave their kids in front of a tablet so they can zone out and at least with television there was a limit to how bizarre and deranged content can get. Without fail every time I go for a service call to a rougher part of town and into apartments with lovely parents, the kid is watching finger family stuff.

At least when I grew up social media only really came into play in our late teens, but poo poo that happened on the internet was already kind of creeping into daily life. I can't imagine what a kid's social life looks like now, with multiple social media platforms and all this connectivity and always online poo poo. Unless you're like my friend who lives in a relatively well to do area and the parents there are a little granola and all decided to limit screen time, it's hard to keep kids off social media and online games and poo poo without impacting their social lives.

spacetoaster
Feb 10, 2014

Moridin920 posted:

Is there a citation for this because I think the last time it came up someone posted a fairly rigorous study and the actual science says it has like some pretty drat marginal effect either way and it's way more important to just actually be involved and interact with your kid.

There's a lot of opinion stuff out there, but it's still pretty new. I'll just retract my statement that social media is bad until a few decades pass and we get some more hard science on it.

Moridin920 posted:

Maybe they're all having mental health issues because of the enormous stresses and pressures placed on them right from getting into 'a good preschool' to applying for colleges and beyond.

That's a huge one. I teach, and am currently getting my masters in early childhood development, and there are so many kids growing up with little to no supervision.

I had a 7 year old tell me he wanted to die, and presented me with a hand drawn picture of how he would kill himself 7 different ways. Turns out his dad is completely out of the picture, his mom is in drug rehab, and the grandma who raises him has zero knowledge about the internet.

The kid was watching clips from SAW and other horrible poo poo on youtube at all hours of the day and night, and had also been watching hardcore pornography.

Rarity posted:

It's because capitalism, op

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

spacetoaster posted:

There's a lot of opinion stuff out there, but it's still pretty new. I'll just retract my statement that social media is bad until a few decades pass and we get some more hard science on it.


That's a huge one. I teach, and am currently getting my masters in early childhood development, and there are so many kids growing up with little to no supervision.

I had a 7 year old tell me he wanted to die, and presented me with a hand drawn picture of how he would kill himself 7 different ways. Turns out his dad is completely out of the picture, his mom is in drug rehab, and the grandma who raises him has zero knowledge about the internet.

The kid was watching clips from SAW and other horrible poo poo on youtube at all hours of the day and night, and had also been watching hardcore pornography.

lovely. There are tons of kids growing up with little to no supervision for sure.

I think social media can definitely be bad when there's no guidance - I just mean I doubt there's something specific that makes Twitter worse than like Happy Tree Friends or whatever other insane stuff the early internet poo poo out.

E: granted it is fair that there seems to be very little regulation even compared to the fairly milquetoast broadcasting rules that have to be followed with regards to children's programming on TV. I don't think that's a problem inherent to the medium so much as tech companies love to skirt regulations via loopholes and redefining words, though.

Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 19:40 on Jul 31, 2019

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬
Straight up neglect will have a huge effect. An infant that doesn't get talked to, isn't taken out of their carrier for tummy time, isn't given tactile toys or allowed to learn how to feed themselves and plopped in front of a TV for 14 hours a day are going to have serious social and developmental issues. I don't really think it's the content itself so much as the lack of necessary interaction.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Moridin920 posted:

I think social media can definitely be bad when there's no guidance - I just mean I doubt there's something specific that makes Twitter worse than like Happy Tree Friends or whatever other insane stuff the early internet poo poo out.

Well for one, back then way fewer kids were even using the internet, and even fewer were using the internet constantly every day everywhere they went as the primary means of communication with literally everyone, even people they know personally and see every day.

Then again I was using the internet pretty constantly back when I was an idiot nerd tween/teen and I'm pretty norm...al... right...?

Oh...

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Shame Boy posted:

Well for one, back then way fewer kids were even using the internet, and even fewer were using the internet constantly every day everywhere they went as the primary means of communication with literally everyone, even people they know personally and see every day.

If they're not being a shut in and replacing real interactions with virtual ones (which the parents should have nipped in the bud long before it got to that point) then I don't really see the issue though?

Just teach them that everyone idealizes their online persona etc. and teach them how to process their feelings/emotions and cope with bad stuff etc. like you'd have to do with a kid anyway at some point if you don't want mass media to devour their mind.

Imagined
Feb 2, 2007
That's a pretty heavy load you're putting on the word "just" there.

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless
Yeah well being a parent is difficult and lovely and requires a lot of time/effort/patience and that's one of many reasons I haven't had kids.

I also don't think kids are as stupid as most adults assume, though.

Eat This Glob
Jan 14, 2008

God is dead. God remains dead. And we have killed him. Who will wipe this blood off us? What festivals of atonement, what sacred games shall we need to invent?

Dr. Killjoy posted:

if your teen is barred from looking at pornography and has google restricted search, they will simply use the Gettyimages catalog of well produced content.

https://gfycat.com/sardonicconventionalbumblebee

Hurt Whitey Maybe
Jun 26, 2008

I mean maybe not. Or maybe. Definitely don't kill anyone.

Moridin920 posted:

I should really get to work but I have 0 motivation. ugh.

Yeah let me rush to get your loan closed before the end of the month so your month end looks better!!! Oh cool you're collecting $10k in origination fees on a 9.99% interest loan over a 12 month term! cool cool

oh yeah it's a rush so we're charging you more!! more money for the boss!!!

meanwhile my pay is the same either way so gently caress you I'm poo poo posting

I do taxes for a living as staff and it’s wild how the partners who own the practice don’t seem to realize the obvious disconnect in motivation.

like if I stay late and work all night to get the taxes done a little earlier the client will be happier and may give us more business in the future, which makes the partner more money. I get paid straight salary either way though, so tell me why I want to ever be at work.

feller
Jul 5, 2006


As a fellow person who will never have kids, seeing these posts about how parents should stop worrying about thing and instead just raise their kids perfectly will never not be funny

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Senior Dog posted:

As a fellow person who will never have kids, seeing these posts about how parents should stop worrying about thing and instead just raise their kids perfectly will never not be funny

I didn't say you shouldn't worry, hence the "teach them to navigate this world before mass media devours their mind" remark. I just don't buy that screen time / video games / social media are inherently worse than other forms of neglect, such as an 80s parent parking their kid in front of the TV 14 hours a day or whatever the equivalent is. Or that they are worse than other forms of mass media and they must be avoided like radioactive materials that will fry the developmental process.

Moridin920 has issued a correction as of 22:49 on Jul 31, 2019

H.P. Hovercraft
Jan 12, 2004

one thing a computer can do that most humans can't is be sealed up in a cardboard box and sit in a warehouse
Slippery Tilde

Shame Boy posted:

Remember that time Facebook did outright human experimentation on people without their knowledge or consent and it almost definitely caused a few suicides? Because I sure do but nobody else seems to which is real depressing.

remember that time facebook helped out a genocide

Panfilo
Aug 27, 2011

EXISTENCE IS PAIN😬

Moridin920 posted:

I didn't say you shouldn't worry, hence the "teach them to navigate this world before mass media devours their mind" remark. I just don't buy that screen time / video games / social media are inherently worse than other forms of neglect, such as an 80s parent parking their kid in front of the TV 14 hours a day or whatever the equivalent is. Or that they are worse than other forms of mass media and they must be avoided like radioactive materials that will fry the developmental process.

Doesn't culture always lag behind technological innovations? People did a lot of scare mongering about television as well.

Ham Equity
Apr 16, 2013

The first thing we do, let's kill all the cars.
Grimey Drawer

Moridin920 posted:

I inquired as to this but sharing legal fees with non-attorneys is strictly prohibited as unethical by the state bar

:v:

I am going to try and get some kind of profit sharing or something going though yeah because this is dumb.

Hwhat? If they tried that in Washington State, the paralegals would be marching to the capitol with pitchforks and torches. Are you sure that attorney isn't full of poo poo?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Moridin920 posted:

If they're not being a shut in and replacing real interactions with virtual ones (which the parents should have nipped in the bud long before it got to that point) then I don't really see the issue though?

"Replacing real interactions with virtual ones" is my whole point though, that happens way more than it used to, almost automatically, and even if you limit it the "normal" levels are much higher than they were even 10-15 years ago. On top of this, internet interactions personally matter a hell of a lot more now, they carry way more social "weight" than they used to. Maybe that's bad, maybe it's not, I don't know, but I think it's something very different in essence than it used to be, and you might not be able to extrapolate out "well I liked happy tree friends" onto today as easily as that.

Hurt Whitey Maybe
Jun 26, 2008

I mean maybe not. Or maybe. Definitely don't kill anyone.

Panfilo posted:

Doesn't culture always lag behind technological innovations? People did a lot of scare mongering about television as well.

I mean baby boomers parents weren’t wrong about television destroying the boomers brains so I’m not going to immediately dismiss the concerns of parents of zoomers.

one day we’ll have Fox News but on YouTube and Logan Paul.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



pewdipie and the other nazi gamers would fit right in on fox

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Hurt Whitey Maybe posted:

I mean baby boomers parents weren't wrong about television destroying the boomers brains so I'm not going to immediately dismiss the concerns of parents of zoomers.

Yeah idk, I think some of the complaints about TV were valid too and we've just sort of like, internalized them as normal, like we do the risks of driving. Like Sesame Street was specifically created to harness the psychology of TV (and especially TV commercials) to teach kids, and it's shown that it's methods are very good at molding and shaping kids squishy child brains...

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Thanatosian posted:

Hwhat? If they tried that in Washington State, the paralegals would be marching to the capitol with pitchforks and torches. Are you sure that attorney isn't full of poo poo?

I thought they might be so I looked it up and yeah; California state bar rule 1-320


quote:

Neither a member nor a law firm shall directly or indirectly share legal fees with a person who is not a lawyer

Though the conversation I had was more about me getting a commission on the fees if I brought a new client to the firm and not specifically about a part of the fees per loan that I do.

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
People also seem to be forgetting that modern internet and social media is literally engineered to A) be as addictive ("engaging") as possible, and B) literally promote white supremacy.

Watching a lot of TV or listening to a lot of radio or reading novels or riding bikes didn't lead a whole swath of young people into white supremacy. Modern social media is allowing and enabling just that. The social engineering going on currently is a lot more perfidious and all encompassing than any form of mass media before it.

Trying to compare the modern social landscape to previous ones is ignoring the incredible speed and thoroughness that all of this has become essential to functioning in a modern world.

Ghost Leviathan
Mar 2, 2017

Exploration is ill-advised.
And literally every authority in the position to police it at all is just going to take any excuse to censor LGBT content and leftism and actively promote white supremacy more.

That said though, it's not the internet that created an entire generation of alienated, atomised, socially maladjusted young white people who grew up promised the world and got ended up with less than nothing.

Tashilicious
Jul 17, 2016

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

Ghost Leviathan posted:

And literally every authority in the position to police it at all is just going to take any excuse to censor LGBT content and leftism and actively promote white supremacy more.

That said though, it's not the internet that created an entire generation of alienated, atomised, socially maladjusted young white people who grew up promised the world and got ended up with less than nothing.

It didn't create them, but it sure did facilitate their alienation and radicalization to an immense degree.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001
the difference is there is (or was) public access TV and there is no such thing for social media. the shared space where we communicate is entirely privatized and owned by corporations, save for, the public library I guess?

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

Dreylad posted:

the difference is there is (or was) public access TV and there is no such thing for social media. the shared space where we communicate is entirely privatized and owned by corporations, save for, the public library I guess?

Mastodon is the PBS of Twitters

StashAugustine
Mar 24, 2013

Do not trust in hope- it will betray you! Only faith and hatred sustain.

This social network was made possible by the contributions of posters like you. Thank you.

Zzulu
May 15, 2009

(▰˘v˘▰)
Kids have never been dumber and smarter before in history

Fat-Lip-Sum-41.mp3
Nov 15, 2003

Ghost Leviathan posted:

And literally every authority in the position to police it at all is just going to take any excuse to censor LGBT content and leftism and actively promote white supremacy more.

That said though, it's not the internet that created an entire generation of alienated, atomised, socially maladjusted young white people who grew up promised the world and got ended up with less than nothing.

Yes and many people abuse drugs not because of the drugs themselves but because they alienated, atomised, socially maladjusted, and so on and so on.

It is still a good idea to lock the medicine cabinet lest the kids accidentally try the red pills.

EmbryoSteve
Dec 18, 2004

Taste~The~Rainbow

My blood sugar is gon' be like

~^^^^*WHOA*^^^^~

Moridin920 posted:

I thought they might be so I looked it up and yeah; California state bar rule 1-320


Though the conversation I had was more about me getting a commission on the fees if I brought a new client to the firm and not specifically about a part of the fees per loan that I do.

lmao this would be so easy to get around. Just give your staff a bonus and say that the bonus is not from the individual legal fee for whatever case/contract they are working on.

Shame Boy
Mar 2, 2010

EmbryoSteve posted:

lmao this would be so easy to get around. Just give your staff a bonus and say that the bonus is not from the individual legal fee for whatever case/contract they are working on.

I looked it up too and the ABA specifically says you can give your staff normal compensation or benefits using it so I still think they're bullshitting you in a way

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voiceless anal fricative
May 6, 2007



"This person is homeless and broke so we arrested them and stole their money"

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