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Who do you wish to win the Democratic primaries?
This poll is closed.
Joe Biden, the Inappropriate Toucher 18 1.46%
Bernie Sanders, the Hand Flailer 665 54.11%
Elizabeth Warren, the Plan Maker 319 25.96%
Kamala Harris, the Cop Lord 26 2.12%
Cory Booker, the Super Hero Wannabe 5 0.41%
Julian Castro, the Twin 5 0.41%
Kirsten Gillibrand, the Franken Killer 5 0.41%
Pete Buttigieg, the Troop Sociopath 17 1.38%
Robert Francis O'Rourke, the Fake Latino 3 0.24%
Jay Inslee, the Climate Alarmist 8 0.65%
Marianne Williamson, the Crystal Queen 86 7.00%
Tulsi Gabbard, the Muslim Hater 23 1.87%
Andrew Yang, the $1000 Fool 32 2.60%
Eric Swalwell, the Insurance Wife Guy 2 0.16%
Amy Klobuchar, the Comb Enthusiast 1 0.08%
Bill de Blasio, the NYPD Most Hated 4 0.33%
Tim Ryan, the Dope Face 3 0.24%
John Hickenlooper, the Also Ran 7 0.57%
Total: 1229 votes
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Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

yronic heroism posted:

Libs are putting poo poo in the mouth of every leftist to muffle their cries. For just 50 cents a day you can provide a leftist with hearty proletarian bread and potatoes instead.

Just curious, who are you supporting in the 2020 Democratic Primary?

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Phi230
Feb 2, 2016

by Fluffdaddy

Condiv posted:

can the russia chat go to the conspiracy theory thread where it belongs?

does speculating about russian influence in the primary (with absolutely zero evidence for said influence) actually conducive to discussing the primaries?

well you see people criticized a democrat, therefore, Russians

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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hobotrashcanfires posted:

One could easily argue that's their main strategy for effectiveness. Incredibly easy to undermine this poo poo when a substantial portion of media and one of two major parties are desperate for a narrative that absolves them from any responsibility for their failures and let's them cling to their only goal of maintaining the collapsing status quo, and keeping that heavy train going for themselves and their friends.

Good luck ever stopping Russian meddling without first acknowledging and addressing the arguably vastly more impactful (and often perfectly legal!) meddling in this system by media, corporations, political operatives and elected officials.

How anyone expects to stop a foreign power we have little to no authority over in their covert and largely ineffective efforts while ignoring the comparably enormous efforts by everyone else who engage in some of the exact same bullshit...

Be mad at Russia sure okay, but maybe be angrier at the myriad powers desperately manipulating every facet of our lives they can to put people in power who will only fight for them and destroy anyone who might challenge that.



I like this. And i tend to talk about the IRA (which the deep state claims to have classified info demonstrating they work for the fsb, under the gru- and gently caress that war machine, known for lying ; pix or gtfo), rather than "Russia!". And try to cover all bases - like, trump should be impeached for concentration camps, not for collaboration with people trump sees as allies and the deep state tells us are enemies, bent on destroying us

And only a team savvy with social media will win in 2020.

Leaving out the role of sockpuppets will write an incomplete history of what happened. The development of Persona Management Software and normalization of use by myriad state actors is historically significant, and is part of the terrain of campaigning in this age.

Cambridge Analytics's role is established history as well, and their targeted advertising to game the electoral college played a significant role. If Hillary not campaigning in the rust belt was a lovely volley, the targeted advertisement was trump spiking the ball in her face - and still /barely/ winning.

The existence of the Qult, a weaponized ARG that has taken hundreds of thousands into campaign of stochastic terror is also established history.

I still think putin had Seth rich murdered, to frame Hillary just before the election - but that's guesswork. Either way, Cambridge Analytics had the dnc emails a month before assange released them. And kavenaugh started the Clinton death count. And guccifer 2.0 is a curious persona. The deep state insists its a Russian team, under the gru (?).

Like, my goons; the internet is what made us stupid.

And yeah. Pete good, vote Bernie.

E: oh and a lot of sockpuppets blamed on the Ira are actually just us citizen SScott Pressler, using persona management software privately, and that's legal (providing cover for the Ira). But its hard to tell. They push exactly the dame memes, tropes, and narratives. Which is curious.

Uglycat fucked around with this message at 17:10 on Aug 2, 2019

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

hobotrashcanfires posted:

Perhaps you could direct me to where I said that.

hobotrashcanfires posted:

Good luck ever stopping Russian meddling without first acknowledging and addressing the arguably vastly more impactful (and often perfectly legal!) meddling in this system by media, corporations, political operatives and elected officials.

To me that is basically suggesting it’s not worth it to talk about Russia because it drowns out all other issues. If that’s not what you’re going for, my bad.

I think calling out anything that Republicans do or that third parties do to gently caress with elections seeking to entrench the power of Republicans is a good thing because of how thoroughly they dig in through the courts, gerrymanders, and yeah, oligarchs to ensure minority rule. Yeah some campaigns will try to capitalize and say stupid poo poo to deflect or get an advantage for their candidate. Guess what, that’s normal. It’s why I don’t work on campaigns.

yronic heroism fucked around with this message at 17:07 on Aug 2, 2019

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

yronic heroism posted:

To me that is basically suggesting it’s not worth it to talk about Russia because it drowns out all other issues. If that’s not what you’re going for, my bad.

I think calling out anything that Republicans do or that third parties do to gently caress with elections seeking to entrench the power of Republicans is a good thing because of how thoroughly they dig in through the courts, gerrymanders, and yeah, oligarchs to ensure minority rule. Yeah some campaigns will say stupid poo poo. Guess what, that’s normal.

Hey do you want to tell us who you're supporting in the 2020 Democratic Primary?

yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

Trabisnikof posted:

Just curious, who are you supporting in the 2020 Democratic Primary?

I won’t decide for the next three months probably. I just like to make fun of terrible dramatic posting in this cesspit in the meantime, sorry.

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twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Uglycat posted:

And yeah. Pete good, vote Bernie.
What is the purpose of this? How many votes do you think you get in this primary? You get exactly one ballot where you can put exactly one name, what are you accomplishing by diluting your support?

The Glumslinger
Sep 24, 2008

Coach Nagy, you want me to throw to WHAT side of the field?


Hair Elf

yronic heroism posted:

I won’t decide for the next three months probably. I just like to make fun of terrible dramatic posting in the meantime, sorry.

Lmao, found the Russian bot :v:

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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twodot posted:

What is the purpose of this? How many votes do you think you get in this primary? You get exactly one ballot where you can put exactly one name, what are you accomplishing by diluting your support?

Hopefully, a president Bernie. Acceptably (given the field), a "first man" chasten.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

yronic heroism posted:

I won’t decide for the next three months probably. I just like to make fun of terrible dramatic posting in this cesspit in the meantime, sorry.

So who are your current top picks if you haven't decided?

Surely, you can name 2-3 you're thinking about.

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Uglycat posted:

Hopefully, a president Bernie. Acceptably (given the field), a "first man" chasten.
Do you think calling a person who literally volunteered to assist in American imperialism "good" helps cause a President Sanders?

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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The Glumslinger posted:

Lmao, found the Russian bot :v:

Oh yeah, it seems likely that Pressler, the IRA,the us air force cyber command, the idf, and myriad other bad faith actors are in your base, killing your dudes.

Failed Imagineer
Sep 22, 2018

Uglycat posted:

Hopefully, a president Bernie. Acceptably (given the field), a "first man" chasten.

So if Bernie hooked up with Chasten that would be your dream ticket?

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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Failed Imagineer posted:

So if Bernie hooked up with Chasten that would be your dream ticket?

Yes. Though Pete would be devastated.

My loyalty is with the humans of turtle island.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

yronic heroism posted:

I won’t decide for the next three months probably. I just like to make fun of terrible dramatic posting in this cesspit in the meantime, sorry.

Okay ivan

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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twodot posted:

Do you think calling a person who literally volunteered to assist in American imperialism "good" helps cause a President Sanders?

Name a possible us president that is not complicit. I mean Vermin (also a personal friend) is making a Colbert turn and seeking the Libertarian party nomination on a socialist playform. He also good - but not an experienced Administrator.

I'm an anarchist post-capitalist atheist. Pete is a statist capitalist theist. It matters to me which way the wind blows. 2016 was the first election I did not vote in (I was at standing rock, getting tear gassed my corporatist statists ), and the wind got way more sour.

And better the devil you know, y'know?

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Uglycat posted:

Name a possible us president that is not complicit. I mean Vermin (also a personal friend) is making a Colbert turn and seeking the Libertarian party nomination on a socialist playform. He also good - but not an experienced Administrator.

I'm an anarchist post-capitalist atheist. Pete is a statist capitalist theist. It matters to me which way the wind blows. 2016 was the first election I did not vote in (I was at standing rock, getting tear gassed my corporatist statists ), and the wind got way more sour.

And better the devil you know, y'know?
I asked you a direct yes or no question. Answer it and I will answer yours.

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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twodot posted:

I asked you a direct yes or no question. Answer it and I will answer yours.

You asked the wrong question, and are distracting from better ones.

E: I think being clear about my understanding of facts, my motives, my loyalties, and establishing a persistent identity helps humans. I recommend it.

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Uglycat posted:

You asked the wrong question, and are distracting from better ones.
I think the question of "Why would this idiot spend any amount of time defending Buttigieg, a person who saw the massacre in Iraq and thought "I want to be a part of that", if they want people to vote Sanders?" is an extremely good question.

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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twodot posted:

I think the question of "Why would this idiot spend any amount of time defending Buttigieg, a person who saw the massacre in Iraq and thought "I want to be a part of that", if they want people to vote Sanders?" is an extremely good question.

He was deployed to Afghanistan and he used forensic accounting to end the violence.

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yronic heroism
Oct 31, 2008

Trabisnikof posted:

So who are your current top picks if you haven't decided?

Surely, you can name 2-3 you're thinking about.

What do you care?

I will decide between the top poll leaders based on viability against Trump. Like a loving normal Democrat and not an extremely online frustrated politics nerd.

twodot
Aug 7, 2005

You are objectively correct that this person is dumb and has said dumb things

Uglycat posted:

He was deployed to Afghanistan and he used forensic accounting to end the violence.
Ok you just can't simultaneously say "There is no ethical consumption under capitalism so we have to dumpster dive to fulfill our needs" and also say "Buttigieg ethically directly participated in the United States of America military. Like he was literally paid to carry a gun around and posts pictures of him holding a gun for the United States of America, but his participation was fine"

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Uglycat posted:

He was deployed to Afghanistan and he used forensic accounting to end the violence.

no he didnt.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

yronic heroism posted:

What do you care?

I will decide between the top poll leaders based on viability against Trump. Like a loving normal Democrat and not an extremely online frustrated politics nerd.

Well because this is the thread for discussing the primary?

If you want the thread to mock idiots that's the cspam one and I really think you should post there.

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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"Butt uglycat, how can you - a self described "radical" and "anarchist", support a non-accelerationist socialist like Bernie?"

Don't need a weatherman ...

Son of Thunderbeast
Sep 21, 2002

Uglycat posted:

He was deployed to Afghanistan and he used forensic accounting to end the violence.

Man I hope you're getting paid to post things like this, because the idea of doing it for free is tragic.

Trabisnikof
Dec 24, 2005

Uglycat posted:

He was deployed to Afghanistan and he used forensic accounting to end the violence.

Ah in much the same way he went to McKinsey & Company and used quantitative modeling to end hunger.

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

Uglycat posted:

He was deployed to Afghanistan and he used forensic accounting to end the violence.

What the gently caress are you talking about

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747

yronic heroism posted:

What do you care?

I will decide between the top poll leaders based on viability against Trump. Like a loving normal Democrat and not an extremely online frustrated politics nerd.

I mean most of the candidates will not measurably improve the lives of the millions of Americans who are poor and dying from lack of healthcare but gently caress me for giving a poo poo about that I guess

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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BENGHAZI 2 posted:

What the gently caress are you talking about

How the US Navy decided to utilize his skillset, as a rhodes scholar with a graduate degree in economics from oxford.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Trabisnikof posted:

Ah in much the same way he went to McKinsey & Company and used quantitative modeling to end hunger.

Can't have hunger if all the poors are dead.

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:

Man I hope you're getting paid to post things like this, because the idea of doing it for free is tragic.

I quit my job in 2012, and have had no employer since. I'm post-capitalist, on the gift economy, and I'll take no masters. I do tell it how I see it, and I happen to be a hacker from South Bend, Indiana.

StealthArcher
Jan 10, 2010




Uglycat posted:

How the US Navy decided to utilize his skillset, as a rhodes scholar with a graduate degree in economics from oxford.

Peter, get off the computer and back to grifting your donors.

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/freedaaron/status/1157327369608343552

Sheng-Ji Yang
Mar 5, 2014


Uglycat posted:

How the US Navy decided to utilize his skillset, as a rhodes scholar with a graduate degree in economics from oxford.

rhodes scholars with graduate degrees in economics from oxford check off the full guillotine checklist, "anarchist"

BENGHAZI 2
Oct 13, 2007

by Cyrano4747
In the year of our Lord Jesus Christ two thousand and nineteen someone genuinely just described caring about things like "not letting people die of preventable illnesses" and "closing the disparity in income" as abnormal

Meanwhile ytlaya is probated

Uglycat
Dec 4, 2000
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

rhodes scholars with graduate degrees in economics from oxford check off the full guillotine checklist, "anarchist"

:agreed:

The devil y'know, though, and the way the wind blows. We won't have the guillotines out and running before 2020.

e: as far as the class war goes, he's from the same 'class' as me - the educator class in South Bend, Indiana. Two educator parents, that landed here because this is an intellectual stronghold. We went to the same high school. It's not a rich class, but it's employment in education where two adults can earn a wage that allows one to raise a child free of poverty, trauma and neglect. It takes a village, and we have a hell of a village here.

Growing up, my father was a meteorologist for Strategic Air Command. I guess that means I'm descended from a 'deep state' background as well. My sister did army intelligence. My other sister is an engineer for nasa. I've never taken that oath to the consitution, and I don't believe in oaths and the constitution is just a bit of crowdsourced poetry to me. I'm loyal to the humans of Turtle Island. Pete has taken that oath to the consitution, and he believes in god. I also think he has a very progressive underderstanding of that piece of poetry. Like, for example, he understands that the bill of rights never uses the word 'citizen.'

Uglycat fucked around with this message at 17:46 on Aug 2, 2019

Groovelord Neato
Dec 6, 2014


https://twitter.com/ashleyfeinberg/status/1157328691321626630

hobotrashcanfires
Jul 24, 2013

Sheng-Ji Yang posted:

rhodes scholars with graduate degrees in economics from oxford check off the full guillotine checklist, "anarchist"

Don't forget military intelligence in service of foreverwar

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Mahoning
Feb 3, 2007

Came to post this actually.

Bbbbbut the blacks don't support Bernie!

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