UKMT August 2019 - we (UK) should simply invade Ireland peacefully

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Cerebral Bore: Apr 21, 2010; Fun Shoe

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Centrists do eventually get involved in the struggle vs the far right, but only after the point where it's gotten nakedly ridiculous and leftist coalitions have already done most of the work.

And then they pretend that they did all the work and demand that those icky leftists need to be excluded from the movement.

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kingturnip: Apr 18, 2008

feedmegin posted:

Milk is the proletarian choice, actually. Do you put lemon in yours like a toff, comrade?

I stuff the tea leaves into my mouth and chew slooooowly

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:11

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Gasmask posted:

"To calm one�s mind, one swallows his saliva. This is a secret matter. When one becomes angry, it is the same. Putting spittle on one�s forehead is also good." - Hagakure

Feel like if hagakure had been a bit less secret about it he would have realised that one in this instance is literally just one and the one is him.

big scary monsters posted:

You'd think somewhere like Iceland would be all over it. Super cheap electricity from basically entirely renewable sources, all the water you could ever want, and a blasted hellscape of a country where nothing grows leading to insanely high food prices because everything is imported.

Doesn't iceland grow quite a lot of bananas? Or greenland?

E: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Banana_production_in_Iceland

Apparently they did grow domestically but stopped cos it wasn't as cheap as importing them and still took ages.

OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 17:16 on Aug 2, 2019

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:12

Azza Bamboo: Apr 7, 2018; THUNDERDOME LOSER 2021

I wonder if "pork markets in beijing" is a euphemism for their body farms, and the Tories plan for brexit self sufficiency is to begin harvesting here to sell to the market in China.

I mean a supply side solution would take up all our green belt land, so why not a demand side solution?

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:17

Skilbs: Jul 20, 2006

I think the milk or water first thing comes from when cheap china would shatter when exposed to hot water. If you were rich enough to afford good china you could show this off by pouring boiling water straight into your cup, unlike the poors who had to add milk to reduce the temperature of the water when it goes in the cup.

I am spoilt by the office having a tap that dispenses almost boiling water for tea instantly, I now very rarely drink tea at home because having to wait for a kettle to boil is not the same.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:17

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

I would be interested in an episode that looks at the top 10 reasons for a 'normal' Brit to be ancap / antifa. Like I know we all scoff and think 'duh, because it's obvious' but there are a lot of people that don't seem to have been able to come to that conclusion themselves, and it would be a good jumping off point in terms of "Here's where we're coming from, here's the basics, now you're on board" sort of thing.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:20

Red Oktober: May 24, 2006; wiggly eyes!

Wanorking from home, eh?

https://youtu.be/co_DNpTMKXk

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:21

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I would be interested in an episode that looks at the top 10 reasons for a 'normal' Brit to be ancap / antifa. Like I know we all scoff and think 'duh, because it's obvious' but there are a lot of people that don't seem to have been able to come to that conclusion themselves, and it would be a good jumping off point in terms of "Here's where we're coming from, here's the basics, now you're on board" sort of thing.

Uh, ancap/antifa is a weird multiple choice.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:22

Sanitary Naptime: May 29, 2006; MIWK!

Guavanaut posted:

Sorry, I should have said the made-up language used by the Lusitanics to piss off the Moors and then kept ever so slightly too different to Spanish to piss off the Castilians.

All languages are made-up, there's only the scopes of 'by whom' and 'for what purpose'.

Ahem, it�s by whomst 🙄

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Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

marktheando posted:

Also glad to see I'm not the only weirdo here who doesn't drink tea or coffee.

i don't either

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Meadowhill: Jan 5, 2015

So on what page does Chuka Umunna elope to the libdems? Just found out and it is beautiful

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marktheando: Nov 4, 2006

Jose posted:

i don't either

I felt very oppressed at my last job where everyone drank tons of tea and they could all skive for a few minutes whenever they wanted by suggesting making tea.

Meadowhill posted:

So on what page does Chuka Umunna elope to the libdems? Just found out and it is beautiful

That feels like it happened about two years ago, but with Brexit and Trump bringing fresh insane poo poo every day my perception of time is severely hosed up.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:37

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Bobby Deluxe posted:

I would be interested in an episode that looks at the top 10 reasons for a 'normal' Brit to be ancap / antifa. Like I know we all scoff and think 'duh, because it's obvious' but there are a lot of people that don't seem to have been able to come to that conclusion themselves, and it would be a good jumping off point in terms of "Here's where we're coming from, here's the basics, now you're on board" sort of thing.

Top 10 reasons to be antifa, based just on experience and hunches (for obvious reasons most people will not hit all 10 of these):

Is a BAME, LGBT, or other person who has had a negative experience with fash.
Is ex BNP or other fash who was successfully talked round into not being a oval office or had a oval office epiphany.
Friends and famil of above 2.
People who saw what fascist marches did when unopposed even if they weren't directly involved.
Would-be terraces hooligans from a traditionally left leaning family/group.
People who have gone through the compaction cycle of bad tradleft groups and are looking for something new.
People generally interested in lefty stuff and also pissed off at fash.
People promised the world by capitalism who have fallen hard and ended up in the angryleft.
People in adjacent spheres who have been reached out to by antifa people.
That's all I can think of. gently caress fascists.

Top 10 reasons to be ancap:

gently caress you
Got mine
Not actually got mine but will do one day you'll see
Confuses capitalism with free market
Confuses free market with commons
Trained to reflexively hate anything left of liberalism but doesn't like being told what to do
Equally opposed to communism and fascism
Not actually opposed to fascism that much
Promised the world by virtue of being a middle class white man but fallen hard and blames maltual cucxism
Googled bitcoin

OwlFancier posted:

Uh, ancap/antifa is a weird multiple choice.

It's an interesting dichotomy.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:37

marktheando: Nov 4, 2006

Does anyone have the post where a yank ancap talks about his experience hanging out with Greek anarchists?

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:40

Jose: Jul 24, 2007; Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer

lmao at how poo poo all mainstream media is

https://twitter.com/OrganizingPower/status/1157305244943994880

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:41

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

marktheando posted:

Does anyone have the post where a yank ancap talks about his experience hanging out with Greek anarchists?

Truly a timeless classic.

quote:

I was beat up by left anarchists in Greece. (self.Anarcho_Capitalism)
submitted 3 years ago by AnCapNAPs

I don�t usually use forums or Reddit, I usually just post comments on Ancap blogs like Molyneux or Cantwell�s blog, but they didn�t seem appropriate places to post my story. So here goes, I just wanted to share this with all of you.

Nov 3 I flew to Europe for a Eurotrip type tour. Not a guide or packaged deal, just going around by myself. I paid for half of the trip with the wages I earned over the last two years, my dad paid for the other half. I am 19, I guess that is normal starting college and all. (Before that I worked for my dad�s company part time, so I guess you could say he paid for all of it, lol).

I did France and then Italy and then Greece next. I am an Ancap so I wanted to see anarchists in these places. Yes, I know they are different kinds of �anarchists� and not really full anarchists like us. I went to an anarchist book store in Italy and it had a lot of English books, but no Rothbard or Ancap. Like I said, I expected that, not a surprise.

I went to Greece, which everyone knows is famous for its revolutionary anarchism, its economic crisis and everything going on right now. Here I found directions for a local anarchist center. I went and didn�t see anybody, but it was covered in graffiti, mostly in Greek so I couldn�t read it. Whatever, I started taking pictures. Then some people came out and confronted me.

This should have been my first warning sign something was not right, because photography is not a crime. They were not violent, but they were not friendly, like asking who I was, what I wanted. They all spoke good English actually. Not uncommon in Greece. I said I was a tourist and an anarchist and I just wanted to take pictures. Then they got friendly and told me I should have asked first (but pictures are no NAP violation so I don�t know why, but I didn�t say anything) and they invited me inside.

We hung out for a while and smoked hash (there is no good dank in Europe as you might find out like in Cali, everyone smokes hash with tobacco which isn�t as cool as it sounds). We started talking about politics and anarchism. I was trying to talk about the state, they were like yeah no doubt the state was bad. But they wanted to talk about capitalism, capitalism this and that. This is when we started to get into a debate.

I told them that what they called capitalism is different from the free market. They said capitalism is free markets. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real capitalism is free markets. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don�t even have that right now. We need more free markets. And everyone at the same time was like �nooo� we are anarchists, we are against capitalism. Anarchists oppose capitalism.

And I said but not anarcho-capitalists. Anarcho-capitalists are the anarchists who support capitalism. I had a fanny pack (yeah, lame I know) for my camera and in that I had this yellow and black bowtie (also super lame, it was a joke but I wasnt wearing it). And I said look, these are the Ancap colors, yellow and black, like versus the communist red and black. Well, these guys had a lot of red and black in the building already so I thought they would get it.

I think that is when it started to get a really bad vibe, really tense in the air. The free market thing was funny, we disagreed but I think they thought I was just confused. Everyone was uncomfortable now. Then someone said markets wont work with democracy. And I said exactly, that�s it, democracy is against anarchism. And they kind of agreed, and said yes, we don�t have real democracy, just governments, and we needed more democracy. I said no, we need less democracy, democracy is the enemy. And we need to end democracy to have anarchy. Then they were all like �noooo� again. You know that thing people do in groups when everyone all says �nooo� or expresses some disapproval at the same time.

And one of them said �but we do want to stop democracy� and then they kind of spoke back and forth in Greek. I didn�t really understand it. And they asked me what I meant.

So I said okay, I had the floor, I was going to tell them about ancapism. And I tried to explain to them some Rothbard and Hoppe. I said the natural order in anarchy is that the best rise to the top, the market picks who is the best. They compete and are peaceful. They said what do we want instead of anarchy. I said we want private owners to own their own land and businesses, and to employ people. They said that is what we have now. I said no, it would be even better. One of the guys said it was like feudalism. And I said it is not feudalism.

Eventually one of the guys spoke up and I thought he was Greek, but he spoke English perfectly so he may have not been. He said he knew what anarcho-capitalism was and that we were basically fascists. He asked me if I thought everything should be private. And I said yes. And he asked me if I thought people were unequal. And I told him yes. And that not everyone would have equal rights. I said everyone has the right to own property and not be done aggression against. But that not everyone had to be treated equally by the owners. He said what about immigrants and racism. And I said that would not happen in a free market, but yes property owners could be racist if they wanted to. They had to respect property.

Then he called me a fascist again, and someone else said I was a fascist. And then they basically all started shouting fascist at me, and one of them grabbed me by the wrists. They pulled me out the door, it was up three floors, and basically drug me down the stairs on my back. It hurt really bad and I remember yelling �you�re breaking the NAP� and things like that. �Stop initiating force against me.� Then they kicked me around on the ground in the hallway, before they took my camera and threw me outside. I was crying and stuff, I just sat there. I was in shock because it was so sudden. Looking back there were warning signs though.

I think they felt bad for me and gave the camera back, but when I looked later they stole the memory card with all of my Greek photos.

So they initiated force and theft. They broke the NAP. I knew the left anarchists were not real anarchists, but I never knew they would do something that bad.

I wasnt seriously hurt, just kicked around a little, lots of bruises and little cuts. I am fine guys so don�t worry. Just needed to share.

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marktheando: Nov 4, 2006

big scary monsters posted:

Truly a timeless classic.

lmao thank you.

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namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

big scary monsters posted:

Truly a timeless classic.

UKMP try outs are a dramatic reading of this.

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Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

namesake posted:

UKMP try outs are a dramatic reading of this.

we should do a dramatised reenactment

who's a good foley artist

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:51

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Silent dramatised reenactment with a hardboiled narrator who becomes a whiny rear end in a top hat lipsynched with the action when he shouts "you�re breaking the NAP".

# ? Aug 2, 2019 17:55

Communist Thoughts: Jan 7, 2008; Our war against free speech cannot end until we silence this bronze beast!

xtothez posted:

Shortly before I started working where I am now, a production manager had been caught red-handed in his office after the MD showed up unannounced to ask why he'd put in so much overtime recently. Yeah, he wasn't producing anything the company was meant to be selling.

A couple of months later he followed up by trying to sue for wrongful dismissal. One of my very first jobs as IT Manager was to compile a month's worth of Internet history for the guy, which contained a genuinely impressive volume of porn. He must have had some stamina.

After several hundred pages of printed web traffic logs were shipped to our solicitor, the case was quietly dropped.

Now THIS is class treachery

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Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

I made a spreadsheet for people to log interest in being part of UKMP. You can also let everyone know the things you're particularly knowledgeable about/would like to chat about!

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:00

big scary monsters: Sep 2, 2011; -~Ｓｋｕｌｌｗａｖｅ~-

I wish to audition as a member of the χορός going "nooooo".

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:01

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Guavanaut posted:

Top 10 reasons to be ancap:

gently caress you

Got mine

Not actually got mine but will do one day you'll see

Confuses capitalism with free market

Confuses free market with commons

Trained to reflexively hate anything left of liberalism but doesn't like being told what to do

Equally opposed to communism and fascism

Not actually opposed to fascism that much

Promised the world by virtue of being a middle class white man but fallen hard and blames maltual cucxism

Googled bitcoin

It's an interesting dichotomy.

Wait, I thought ancap was a portmanteau of anti capitalism. Judging by reactions I seem to be wrong.

Generally I just thought an introduction to leftism in the form of a listicle would be a good start.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:05

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Ancaps are anarcho-capitalists :ancap:

Well, they're not usually either, because capitalism is antithetical to anarchism and they're cargo-culting capitalism.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:07

Rarity: Oct 21, 2010; ~*4 LIFE*~

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Wait, I thought ancap was a portmanteau of anti capitalism. Judging by reactions I seem to be wrong.

Generally I just thought an introduction to leftism in the form of a listicle would be a good start.

Ancap is generally used to refer to anarcho-capitalists and if you think those two terms are completely antithetical then congrats, you're smart than any anarcho-capitalist out there (it's basically libertarianism)

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:07

Guavanaut: Nov 27, 2009; Looking At Them Tittys
1969 - 1998; Toilet Rascal

Although they stole the term 'libertarian' from 19th century anarchists so it's full circle.

big scary monsters posted:

I wish to audition as a member of the χορός going "nooooo".

I'd love to see it done as a light opera.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:08

Julio Cruz: May 19, 2006

Guavanaut posted:

I'd love to see it done as a light opera.

brb, writing lyrics for "I am the very model of an anarcho-capitalist"

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:09

Bobby Deluxe: May 9, 2004

Oh wow. I cannot imagine anything dumber than a person who supports complete financial deregulation, especially if they are not Branson rich - seems like unless you are in a position to turbofuck others with your riches, you're going to get turbofucked yourself.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:12

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

Rarity posted:

Ancap is generally used to refer to anarcho-capitalists and if you think those two terms are completely antithetical then congrats, you're smart than any anarcho-capitalist out there (it's basically libertarianism)

Ancap is libertarian but instead of being very passionate about lowering the age of consent they just want to get rid of the age of consent. Oh, and to bring back slavery, how can I forget that one?

Ancaps are why I instinctively distrust anyone who wears a bowtie.

I haven't read the D&D libertarian thread in forever but I always used to get the chills reading about Hans Herman Hoppe

forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 18:23 on Aug 2, 2019

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feedmegin: Jul 30, 2008

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Wait, I thought ancap was a portmanteau of anti capitalism. Judging by reactions I seem to be wrong.

Generally I just thought an introduction to leftism in the form of a listicle would be a good start.

It uh does seem like that would be a useful thing to exist yes :shobon:

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:16

brian: Sep 11, 2001; I obtained this title through beard tax.

it's probably worth noting that libertarianism is and was originally a term for anarcho-communists/anarcho-syndicalists and the american popular meaning is dumb, wrong and the opposite and should probably be fought back against, imo the left should reclaim words like liberty and freedom towards actual egalitarianism again since they're p powerful words people identify with

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:24

Pound_Coin: Feb 5, 2004; �

Bobby Deluxe posted:

Oh wow. I cannot imagine anything dumber than a person who supports complete financial deregulation, especially if they are not Branson rich - seems like unless you are in a position to turbofuck others with your riches, you're going to get turbofucked yourself.

ancaps are some of the dumbest motherfuckers alive

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:24

forkboy84: Jun 13, 2012; Corgis love bread. And Puro

brian posted:

it's probably worth noting that libertarianism is and was originally a term for anarcho-communists/anarcho-syndicalists and the american popular meaning is dumb, wrong and the opposite and should probably be fought back against, imo the left should reclaim words like liberty and freedom towards actual egalitarianism again since they're p powerful words people identify with

I can't remember who decided we should call right wing "libertarians" propertarians but they were right on the money. (It might have been the Anarchist FAQ people)

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:27

OwlFancier: Aug 22, 2013

Ancappery is kill all government and let the market sort em out.

Which yes will lead to corporations taking over the government but of course, if you don't like your corporate overlord, you can simply leave and serve another corporate overlord.

The libertarian thread ended up inventing Valhalla DRO which was basically like renraku from shadowrun or some poo poo.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:28

Unkempt: May 24, 2003; ...perfect spiral, scientists are still figuring it out...

forkboy84 posted:

I can't remember who decided we should call right wing "libertarians" propertarians but they were right on the money. (It might have been the Anarchist FAQ people)

I remember 'propertarian' from that L Neil Smith talking gorilla libertarian SF book so it's from the 80s at least.

edit: 1979

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:29

dispatch_async: Nov 28, 2014; Imagine having the time to have played through 20 generations of one family in The Sims 2. Imagine making the original two members of that family Neil Buchanan and Cat Deeley. Imagine complaining to Maxis there was no technological progression. You've successfully imagined my life

https://twitter.com/brahmsposting/status/1156747785292648454

This clip actually misses out the best bit of that debate: "You should not be able to sell heroin to a 5-year-old." *audience boos*

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:36

winegums: Dec 21, 2012

Bit of a yes, and ho! post, but....

I just learnt about the West Brom FC boiler mascot who came about after the club got sponsored by a boiler company.

Corbyn should put "football clubs will be returned to the hands of their members" as a manifesto pledge. The general corporatisation of football and gentrification of some teams is quite interesting to me as an outsider who doesn't really watch football; but the low-level complaints fans have about disenfranchisement from their teams seems like an easy way to get lots of people who are ostensibly non-political on-board.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:45

namesake: Jun 19, 2006; "When I was a girl, around 12 or 13, I had a fantasy that I'd grow up to marry Captain Scarlet, but he'd be busy fighting the Mysterons so I'd cuckold him with the sexiest people I could think of - Nigel Mansell, Pat Sharp and Mr. Blobby."

dispatch_async posted:

https://twitter.com/brahmsposting/status/1156747785292648454

This clip actually misses out the best bit of that debate: "You should not be able to sell heroin to a 5-year-old." *audience boos*

Is that the debate where the overweight man just strips naked on stage?

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Rincewinds: Jul 30, 2014; MEAT IS MEAT

dispatch_async posted:

https://twitter.com/brahmsposting/status/1156747785292648454

This clip actually misses out the best bit of that debate: "You should not be able to sell heroin to a 5-year-old." *audience boos*

Must be kinda nice for normal people going to the libertarian debates, knowing that you are one of the smartest people in the room.

Then again, everyone in the room will be sure of it too.

# ? Aug 2, 2019 18:45

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