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Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

quote:

A U.S. appeals court ruled Venezuela's stake in Citgo can be seized, opening the door to a potential sale of the oil refiner

remember a couple months ago when people were insisting that the point wasn't just wide scale privatization of national assets under a US puppet?

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)


using the heightened rate of gang murders to justify police death squads to kill gang members that are actually your rivals in the drug game, is a pretty clever business plan you have to admit.

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Hondurans are actually as furious with their government as Maddow claims the Venezuelans are and yet for some mysterious reason it gets zero coverage

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Epic High Five posted:

Hondurans are actually as furious with their government as Maddow claims the Venezuelans are and yet for some mysterious reason it gets zero coverage

:thunkher:

Moridin920
Nov 15, 2007

by FactsAreUseless

Epic High Five posted:

Hondurans are actually as furious with their government as Maddow claims the Venezuelans are and yet for some mysterious reason it gets zero coverage

Yeah weird

:iiam:

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Yeah sorry I mentioned it before I could figure it out, I'm cracking some books after the convention adjourns for the day tho, I'll let ya know when I find the answer

Peanut President
Nov 5, 2008

by Athanatos

536 posted:

People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA?

breadshaped
Apr 1, 2010


Soiled Meat

536 posted:

People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA?

read the op

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

536 posted:

People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvgZtdmyKlI&t=75s

Ramc
May 4, 2008

Bringing your thread to a screeching halt, guaranteed.

536 posted:

People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA?

hahahah oh my god

brugroffil
Nov 30, 2015


USA... Bad???

Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Wait that post was serious?

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
I mean that has been a talking point visitors from D&D has been using since the thread started

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Of course it's why they've stopped posting

World War Mammories
Aug 25, 2006


536 posted:

People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA?

I want to put this post in a museum

Goon Danton
May 24, 2012

Don't forget to show my shitposts to the people. They're well worth seeing.

It needs to be the thread title.

Big Hubris
Mar 8, 2011


536 posted:

People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA?

Since Brazil's king got rid of slavery, yes.

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1157698378463088640

Egg Moron
Jul 21, 2003

the dreams of the delighting void


it's the cuban missile crisis 67th anniversary reenactment spectacular

IDONTPOST
Apr 18, 2018




536 posted:

People have been starving and mass emigrating for years because of the USA?

lmao

got any sevens
Feb 9, 2013

by Cyrano4747

Over Easy posted:

it's the cuban missile crisis 67th anniversary reenactment spectacular

gonna speedrun 13 days in 13 tweets

Misc
Sep 19, 2008


drat i wanna see this movie

Frijolero
Jan 24, 2009

by Nyc_Tattoo
Gotta share some anecdotal, but very solid evidence that the gusanos are all bad faith fascists:

Houston has a big VZ population. My brother is a middle-class Lib who married a Venezolano from a well-off landed family.

The family is, of course, all-in on Guaido. They also love Trump (very normal for Latinx immigrants to love Trump). They talk up Guaido and Trump so much that my brother, again a privileged Liberal, actually started calling them out on it. He gave them a brief history lesson on US interventionism. He said he couldn't stand it anymore. Granted, my brother and his husband do not like or support Maduro. But the blatant Trump imperialism and bad faith attacks have turned them around on Guaido.

The family is a complete lost cause. They are rich and landed and have 100% taken to the proud American right-wing tradition of self-victimization. But I'm proud of my bro. So thanks Mr. President Sir for botching the coup and crystallizing things for a Lib.

Edit: Crap I forgot an important part of the story. The family hates AMLO for not joining the Lima Group. This was the last straw for my brother who liked some of AMLOs soc dem ideas. The gusanos had the gall to tell Mexicans how to vote for their own president

Frijolero has issued a correction as of 17:55 on Aug 5, 2019

Zerg Mans
Oct 19, 2006

Atrocious Joe posted:

https://twitter.com/WSJ/status/1155980079026954240?s=20
The economic war continues

https://twitter.com/drnoahross/status/1156993157222952960?s=20
This article is obviously propaganda, but it's so lazily transparent about it.


A lot going on here, but in no particular order my favorite parts are:
1. Trump nonchalantly saying the US will blockade Venezuela, which is an act of war
2. The Commerce Department trying to set up some sort of Ebay for privatizing the wealth of Venezuela
3. Admitting that US sanctions destroyed Venezuela oil production and then blaming socialism for ruining oil production in the country

"Plan to Rebuild Venezuela Under Democratic Rule" I saw with my selected leader whose extremely dubious claim to power expired over 3 months ago

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

zegermans posted:

"Plan to Rebuild Venezuela Under Democratic Rule" I saw with my selected leader whose extremely dubious claim to power expired over 3 months ago

guaido is not yet the interim president because his term hasn't started yet because maduro is still the president, but also he's definitely the interim president because he has the authority to appoint ambassadors and sell state-owned assets

schroedinger's president

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Frijolero posted:

The family is, of course, all-in on Guaido. They also love Trump (very normal for Latinx immigrants to love Trump). They talk up Guaido and Trump so much that my brother, again a privileged Liberal, actually started calling them out on it. He gave them a brief history lesson on US interventionism. He said he couldn't stand it anymore. Granted, my brother and his husband do not like or support Maduro. But the blatant Trump imperialism and bad faith attacks have turned them around on Guaido.

The family is a complete lost cause. They are rich and landed and have 100% taken to the proud American right-wing tradition of self-victimization. But I'm proud of my bro. So thanks Mr. President Sir for botching the coup and crystallizing things for a Lib.

Congratulations, you've now discovered firsthand how America's post-1965 immigration policies create an immigrant class of native informants and compradors who exist to justify more US intervention abroad.

The part that pays the richest dividends is the second generation, who go straight to chud like Kathy Zhu and Andy Ngo.

PERPETUAL IDIOT
Sep 12, 2003

CAPS LOCK BROKEN posted:

Congratulations, you've now discovered firsthand how America's post-1965 immigration policies create an immigrant class of native informants and compradors who exist to justify more US intervention abroad.

The part that pays the richest dividends is the second generation, who go straight to chud like Kathy Zhu and Andy Ngo.

Congratulations, you've now discovered firsthand how immigrants in the US are a fifth column - especially their kids.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

PERPETUAL IDIOT posted:

Congratulations, you've now discovered firsthand how immigrants in the US are a fifth column - especially their kids.

The people being fast tracked for citizenship aren't working class.

CAPS LOCK BROKEN
Feb 1, 2006

by Fluffdaddy

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The people being fast tracked for citizenship aren't working class.

For the longest time one of the easiest ways for Chinese people to get asylum and permanent residency was to cook up a fake asylum claim with the help of an entire network of immigration lawyers, social workers, pastors, and other people who ran a fake asylum ring. For propaganda purposes the US was turning a blind eye to people showing up and claiming that the PRC tortured them for being christian, forced them to get an abortion, etc. will all the paperwork being filled out by this ring in an assembly line manner in exchange for cash. Win-win example of interest alignment: with a five figure payment people get permanent residency and the state department got a steady stream of people ready to to testify about savage human rights abuses.

When the Obama admin decided that the pivot to Asia was going to escalate the lurid claims even further this ring was shut down. No longer needing native informants, the Trump admin is now trying to get these people deported

quote:

In a written statement, USCIS confirmed the substance of Lawrence's story — that immigration officials are now reviewing 3,500 asylum cases handled years ago by the people convicted during Operation Fiction Writer. Immigration authorities also confirm that they are reviewing the asylum cases of more than 10,000 family members who were granted what is called "derivative asylum status."
Therefore, in total, more than 13,500 immigrants who were granted asylum before December 2012 could lose it.

This country's immigration policy has always been dictated by foreign policy needs first, not humanitarianism or any kind of universalist value.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

US announces embargo of Venezuela and opposition dutifully drops out of negotiations with the government
https://twitter.com/jmcevoy_2/status/1158773428427644941

The plan is nothing less than to starve millions to death and hope to destroy the government that way, for its crimes of having a nationalized oil company instead of letting Exxon take over

Max Blumenthal interview with Nicholas Maduro
https://thegrayzone.com/2019/08/06/interview-venezuelan-president-nicolas-maduro/

Vilerat Rereg
Aug 5, 2019

by R. Guyovich
We can only hope this results in further collective action and solidarity and not despair :(

uncop
Oct 23, 2010
Maduro is an interesting guy, like he seems genuine and makes me feel like Venezuelan propaganda reflects the true sentiment of the idealistic side of its leadership. But there's also a noticeable bubble where they've been fighting a just defense of a revolution at least since the oil prices crashed and are actually energized by how USA has become so openly antagonistic in recent years. He embodies a sort of peak radlib ethos, where he not only associates revolution with established processes and institutions but also expects the people to literally launch a civil war to restore them if the government falls in an extra-judicial manner. Or actually in defense of something more radical, as if as an acknowledgement that he has been holding them back as a negotiation chip to preserve social peace with capitalists and so on.

Dreylad
Jun 19, 2001

Over Easy posted:

it's the cuban missile crisis 67th anniversary reenactment spectacular

or the 117th birthday of the european powers doing exactly what's going to happen now

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy
https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1158560094763638785

this sucks gently caress the US

Majorian
Jul 1, 2009

Why would Maduro deliberately and directly force the U.S. to expand the sanctions on Venezuela? Clearly he lusts for Venezuelan death and also all the empanadas. What a monster.

Fast Luck
Feb 2, 1988

Maduro offering new presidential elections to the opposition and the US vetoing the offer
https://twitter.com/aaronjmate/status/1158949874227920896

Meanwhile total media and political establishment silence on the protests in Honduras
https://twitter.com/leftiblog/status/1159125996030713856

Timeline here is
2005, Zelaya defeats incumbent and agricultural landowner Pepe Lobo for presidency
2008, Honduras joins the Bolivarian alliance under Zelaya
2009, military ousts Zelaya for considering amending the constitution to allow the reelection of a President
2009, Coup is condemned internationally, even by the OAS, but given stamp of approval by Obama/Clinton
2009, with Zelaya in exile, the National Party's Pepe Lobo wins back presidency
2010, Honduras leaves the Bolivarian alliance
2013, National Party candidate Juan Orlando Hernandez (JOH) wins election as opposition splits its vote
2014, twelve environmental activists are killed
2016, indigenous leader and environmental activist Berta Caceres is assassinated by US-trained School of the Americas troops backed by banking interests
2017, Re-election ban for Presidents is now lifted so JOH can run again
2017, JOH is losing re-election by 5 points when the vote count is "paused" for 36 hours, then unpaused and JOH comes back and wins, even the Economist declares election is stolen
2019, JOH, who the US praised as an ally in the "war on drugs," is indicted for drug trafficking

But the US prefers to focus its efforts on overthrowing legitimately elected Nicolas Maduro

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

note that navally blockading the US would be justifiably considered an act of war

comedyblissoption
Mar 15, 2006

kind of weird that whenever america does a humanitarian intervention the people in those countries somehow end up starving or having their material economic conditions drive over a cliff

CharlestheHammer
Jun 26, 2011

YOU SAY MY POSTS ARE THE RAVINGS OF THE DUMBEST PERSON ON GOD'S GREEN EARTH BUT YOU YOURSELF ARE READING THEM. CURIOUS!
man this is really bad news for those who rationalized sanctions as only against certain people somehow

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 20 days!)

comedyblissoption posted:

kind of weird that whenever america does a humanitarian intervention the people in those countries somehow end up starving or having their material economic conditions drive over a cliff

AFAIK there's not gonna be any kind of naval blockade. We already put Cuba, North Korea, and Iran under embargo.

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