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As long as there's abortion and scary brown people, these people will vote straight ticket R all day every day
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there's a subset of Trump voters who respond to Trump who'd vote for a, say, Bernie Sanders but literally no other Dem (except maybe Warren if the town halls she's had in small white rural areas are to be believed) because it's a message that crosses traditional partisan lines and, and this is the biggest bit, they recognize that the elite and Dems also hate him. Obama -> Trump can still become Trump -> Dem, it's just that the Dems loving blow to the point that even progressives are talking about not voting for them like the Harlan strikers could probably be brought around, after all it isn't chud orgs or Republicans bringing them supplies or standing with them the problem is in a lot of cases it takes events like this to really find out who is who among them beyond stuff like, oh this person (retiree, landlord) hasn't engaged with the real economy in decades
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Aug 6, 2019 01:38
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uh i think you'll find the way to get moderate republicans is actually to provide means tested tax grants and also let the republicans do a genocides after only some weak opposition 
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Aug 6, 2019 02:32
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I still don’t get why republicans pretend to care about abortions so much anyways
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Aug 6, 2019 02:49
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Eat This Glob posted:i just texted my buddy who left rural iowa and the newspaper business at the same time I did last fall. he owned the business and got out juuuuuuuuuuust in time. in fact, the person who bought it from him still owes him 60 grand. the money in ag land has been dried up for a year. im curious just how bad it'll get or of he'll get his money. Unless it's like a federal job... I mean when whatever the local economy is driven by goes away, the jobs supplying those consumers eventually have problems if the farmers lose their land and quit farming.
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Aug 6, 2019 02:49
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If the left just came out and said that they categorically oppose women having any reproductive rights, the majority of the pieces of poo poo I know would immediately become "leftists". Theyre not worth our time and their early demise is a good thing for everyone. The faster the elder monster cease this world the better.
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Aug 6, 2019 02:56
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Nottherealaborn posted:I still don’t get why republicans pretend to care about abortions so much anyways
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pseudanonymous posted:Unless it's like a federal job... I mean when whatever the local economy is driven by goes away, the jobs supplying those consumers eventually have problems if the farmers lose their land and quit farming. neither are in anyway related to farming nor are local people their customers. it is bizarre these two jobs are located where they are. so long as the roads are maintained, they've got electricity, and shipments to and from the places, everyone else in the area could disappear and it'd make no difference except lunch options wouldn't exist
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Aug 6, 2019 02:58
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Nottherealaborn posted:I still don’t get why republicans pretend to care about abortions so much anyways because in most cases they've either convinced themselves its actually evil baby murder or their voters believe it is so they have to play along
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Aug 6, 2019 03:03
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it takes away their ability to think about both sides critically and objectively. they dislike their perception of democrats culturally so most of them come up with a backwards reasoning why they don’t like them
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Aug 6, 2019 03:25
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It's just a stupid issue that stuck, and now it's a wedge. It could have been anything like trying to repeal the ban on lawn darts.
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Aug 6, 2019 03:37
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trump farmers committing suicide? inject that poo poo straight in to my veins, ese
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Aug 6, 2019 03:48
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Zwabu posted:I can't get through the paywall. Does it include the money shot where they say they'll probably (or definitely) vote for Trump again? Shockingly, it never comes up one way or another. But in your heart, you know the truth.
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Aug 6, 2019 04:02
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FMguru posted:I will never, ever get over a group of people who are entirely dependent on export markets for their livelihood voting (overwhelmingly!) for a man who straightforwardly promised to launch a massive trade war against their primary export market. Oh come on, this is a ridiculous framing. You're leaving out the most important part: where he promised that he had a secret plan to negotiate a vaguely better deal! What is 'better' exactly, simple my good man, it's anything and everything you imagine it to be! And you know he'll deliver because he fired people on TV just like a smart businessman
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Nottherealaborn posted:I still don’t get why republicans pretend to care about abortions so much anyways It's an easy way to make yourself feel good and righteous without actually having to be good or righteous or do anything really. You just have to loudly despise the "sluts" who use abortions as birth control (yeah you got your mistress one that's different you have a family to think of you can't let some homewrecker break up your marriage by demanding child support, oh yeah and your daughter had one but she's a good girl who just made a mistake not like those other girls but it's fine those drat babykilling liberals will always make sure they're legal in New York if you need one) VitalSigns has issued a correction as of 04:11 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Aug 6, 2019 04:09
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loving with trade enough that the farmers need a bailout then directly funneling the vast majority of that bailout to the ultra wealthy is astonishing it’s horrifically evil but it is just absolute poetry as a scam.
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Aug 6, 2019 04:42
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Zwabu posted:I can't get through the paywall. Does it include the money shot where they say they'll probably (or definitely) vote for Trump again? Seems to be solely a human interest piece with no mention of politics.
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Aug 6, 2019 04:45
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Pentecoastal Elites posted:loving with trade enough that the farmers need a bailout then directly funneling the vast majority of that bailout to the ultra wealthy is astonishing
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the milk machine posted:so it's safe to assume that any twitter account that ends with a shitload of numbers is a bot, right? the bot accounts are usually First Name + Initial + 8 numbers BrendaT38295021
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Aug 6, 2019 06:21
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Eat This Glob posted:they're gonna need some bigger prayers Definitely Not A Trade War
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Ugato posted:Definitely Not A Trade War
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FMguru posted:I will never, ever get over a group of people who are entirely dependent on export markets for their livelihood voting (overwhelmingly!) for a man who straightforwardly promised to launch a massive trade war against their primary export market. Farmers are the guys who own the land not the guys harvesting the corn; they voted Trump cause he promised to put the screws to their labor pool, and they'll keep voting Trump cause he did it. If their farm goes under in the meantime hey at least they got to sic ICE on their farmhands on payday and isn't that what really matters A Wizard of Goatse has issued a correction as of 06:52 on Aug 6, 2019 |
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Aug 6, 2019 06:46
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I hope everyone in America that voted trump dies of a loving heart attack
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That would just leave another mess for someone else to clean up.
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FMguru posted:I will never, ever get over a group of people who are entirely dependent on export markets for their livelihood voting (overwhelmingly!) for a man who straightforwardly promised to launch a massive trade war against their primary export market.
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article posted:Krocak needed the money to stave off bankruptcy and hold on to the land that has been in his family since 1888.......$47,000 they owe the local bank, the $550,000 they owe businesses in town and the $662,000 mortgage on their property — which all adds up to about $1.3 million in debt. 
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Aug 6, 2019 11:23
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look his wife loves entertaining so they needed to spend three quarters of a million replacing the farmhouse
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Budzilla posted:This bum inherits a farm and gets into a load of debt. I'm not blaming the trade war, maybe this loser just sucks at running a farm/business. maybe 30-50 hogs came and ravaged their land, you ever think of that you city slickin lib?!
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Aug 6, 2019 13:09
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That WaPo piece has absolutely nothing about Trump or political affiliation, why was it posted here?
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Aug 6, 2019 13:21
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Does anyone else want to talk about the 1888 start being prime homestead act years, and they got their "family farm"for free as part of an organized genocide of natives
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mono posted:maybe 30-50 hogs came and ravaged their land, you ever think of that you city slickin lib?! So much death. What can men do against such reckless hogs?
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A Wizard of Goatse posted:Farmers are the guys who own the land not the guys harvesting the corn; they voted Trump cause he promised to put the screws to their labor pool, and they'll keep voting Trump cause he did it. If their farm goes under in the meantime hey at least they got to sic ICE on their farmhands on payday and isn't that what really matters worse than their labor pool, it is their tenants. most landowners (at least in the midwest for corn and soybean row crops) operate with tenants on a "cash rent" basis in that rents fluctuate year to year based on what grain prices look like. In 2012 when land was selling for $15k an acre+, you could see rents around $350/acre. with lower grain prices (at least into 2018) rents were down to $225/acre where I was living, so it hurts the landowners too, though I'm sure poo poo is structured so they can write poo poo off that the land renters (people actually farming the land) cannot
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I don't know much about agricultural value chains but I wouldn't be at all surprised if some of the Trump-voting farmers were shortsighted enough to think "Trump says he'll start a trade war with China but that's fine because I don't sell to China, I sell to Middleman Agricultural Transport Inc. [who then sells to China]"
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Aug 6, 2019 14:39
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A Buttery Pastry posted:Just like how all rich people are pedophiles, all farmers are apparently as dumb as their produce. Even ignoring tariffs and poo poo, their British counterparts voted overwhelmingly to leave an organization that has "subsidize farmers" as one of its main planks. The bus said we'll save so much money when we leave, so obviously the farm subsidies will be higher than ever and I won't have to see people in the grocery store who are the wrong kind of white
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Aug 6, 2019 15:03
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its the same thought process: "id have more money if the foreigners werent nonspecifically taking it"
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ElGroucho posted:trump farmers committing suicide: "Inject that poo poo straight in to my veins!"
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Al! posted:its the same thought process: "id have more money if the foreigners werent nonspecifically taking it"
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A Buttery Pastry posted:True, though it somehow seems even more extreme to come to that conclusion when you have an actual line in your budget that says "Free money from the EU". At least American farm subsidies come from the US government. shocking coming from people so dumb that all they can handle is pouring water on plants
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https://twitter.com/sublime_skeptic/status/1158750326599626754?s=20 https://twitter.com/Derlosviper/status/1158748436029685760?s=20
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Well, Trumps pretty much unintentionally socialized the farming industry which is more than Democrats could ever do even if they had a supermajority. What other industries will the trade war claim? Also, why aren't we pushing for rationing of that food to every American, starting with the poorest getting the most percentage? We're paying for it, may as well distribute it properly. We can also stop calling them "farmers", we can call them government workers now.
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