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pookel posted:Write it up now, save it to post when you're able. Thanks^ I promise I'm not trying to tease. Writing about this is one of my life goals, no poo poo. But not having context and details would lessen the impact of what I say SO much. Gotta wait. I discarded some papers I had, notes, 7 years ago. I regret that very much but still remember enough.
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one of my grandmother's friends is a christian scientist, what's frustrating is that she's 98 years old and incredibly healthy so you just cannot argue with her about it
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I hope the Jehovah’s Witness are the next to die out like this. They’re not as extreme, but my hospital catered to them by offering “bloodless medicine”. Basically hormone shots, vitamins and iron tablets. Maybe some banking of your own blood (apparently that’s cool). Maybe OK if you are getting planned surgery. It’s not ok for someone who is actively exsanguinating in the middle of the night. I felt bad for this one family, they kept asking when the doctor who ran the bloodless medicine program was coming by (they never did) and what blood substitutes we were going to use (there aren’t any). In the meantime representatives from the church show up before the patient and family. They try to interfere with medical care and whisper the church’s poison and lies into the ears of the family. “If you do not sign this consent for blood your loved one will die and it will be your fault. Sign for blood or sign their death warrant. Your choice, you have to live with it.” I can’t think of a way to make it clearer than that, and they always choose to murder their family member.
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nankeen posted:one of my grandmother's friends is a christian scientist, what's frustrating is that she's 98 years old and incredibly healthy so you just cannot argue with her about it Yeah, but what a lame loving life
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I remember reading an interview in Hit Parader magazine with James Hetfield where he went into a little about being raised a strict Christian Scientist and how much he hated a lot of the poo poo he had to go through like having to step out of class as a kid when it came time to cover subjects like Health and how much he got teased over it.
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ElGroucho posted:Yeah, but what a lame loving life She is way the exception and if she kept her health this long this is one self satisfied deluded woman, we should all be so lucky. What happens is since as a rule they take no drugs of any kind - no smoking, alcohol etc. and the human body is pretty resilient they will be usually be quite healthy ----Until they aren't. This is a religion of the white educated wealthy (and more women then men) for the most part so they eat nourishing food and are decently active. Then once illness/disease strikes its a slow death or quick, depending on the ailment. But before that often they are lame, or deaf or going blind, we. It's also mostly old women now, men die younger.
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M_Sinistrari posted:I remember reading an interview in Hit Parader magazine with James Hetfield where he went into a little about being raised a strict Christian Scientist and how much he hated a lot of the poo poo he had to go through like having to step out of class as a kid when it came time to cover subjects like Health and how much he got teased over it. I became very ill at 20. I was living with my first boyfriend, super innocent and naive, quit my job and laid there sick for weeks in this apartment of nice stoner alcoholic guys. When I realized I couldn't hardly eat I went to a hospital. They poo poo and kept asking me all these weird questions, I only vaguely recall my stay there. Turns out I had Rubella. Thanks mom. Those religious exemptions from vaccinations almost killed me.
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Busket Posket posted:NdT is getting his shows back after the heat has died down from his multiple sexual harassment charges, so he’s back to full strength and going straight to Dr. Manhattan The 500 deaths due to medical error is also a massive overstimation. https://www.sciencealert.com/no-500-people-don-t-die-in-the-us-every-two-days-due-to-medical-error
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nankeen posted:one of my grandmother's friends is a christian scientist, what's frustrating is that she's 98 years old and incredibly healthy so you just cannot argue with her about it
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pookel posted:Even if this whole "pretend you're not sick and you won't be sick" thing worked, how is that supposed to work for babies? It doesn't have to work, you can replenish your baby supply in only a few months.
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Aug 7, 2019 14:50
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Dead babies automatically go to heaven. It's a feature, not a bug.
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pookel posted:Even if this whole "pretend you're not sick and you won't be sick" thing worked, how is that supposed to work for babies?
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Aug 7, 2019 15:43
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They go so far as to not take animals to the vet. A sweet lady (well I thought so until this) had her cat become ill. She lived in a tiny apartment with it, a couple of rooms, and it took 5 days for it to die. It was in agony. I never spoke to her again unless I absolutely had to.
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Aug 7, 2019 16:16
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Jesus. That's loving horrifying all over. poo poo.
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I keep thinking about that Guardian writer's dad and why they couldn't just amputate, at least. Wasn't there something about being allowed to set broken bones and other basic traditional medical techniques? Or is that the JWs? Also, do they actually believe that they'll be damned if modern medicine is performed on them, even if they didn't choose it? Wouldn't they be blameless of sin if it was forced on them? At least for kids or for people who are incapacitated or having a medical emergency, I feel like hospitals should be able to make these decisions instead of family members.
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JWs as far as I know just say no blood products. Just the red stuff at a minimum but the True Believers will reject anything from blood. They’ll do dialysis, plasmapheresis, all kinds of advanced interventions. Which is fine I guess until their blood is outside their body and the family starts ranting about “plasma volume expanders” and “blood substitutes”.
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All I know about is Christian Science. No medical procedures or medicine of any kind was ok to use---but that was softened a little in last few decades as the church members have died off. As the article states the decline was huge in last 3 decades, coincidentally during my adult life which unfortunately I let Christian Science be a huge part of though I am an atheist. The exception was setting of broken bones, but that was fairly infrequent. In the 70s Christian Science lost some horrific cases in the Supreme Court regarding child neglect and that helped slightly I think but in no way enough. The emotional damage from being raised in a Christian Science home is incalculable--- there is no strife, depression, disability, NOTHING, remember--- we are all perfect as God is perfect, for Man is the reflection of God. 🙄 Not mentioned in that article is how the Mother Church legally separated itself from the Christian Science nursing homes (I think same time period) to protect itself from legal liability re neglect of adults, but of course this was nothing but a technicality.
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Spins posted:They go so far as to not take animals to the vet. A sweet lady (well I thought so until this) had her cat become ill. You’d think she’d at least have the decency to brick the poor animal. Take responsibility for your beliefs, you weirdos.
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Rita and Doug Swan are mentioned in that Christian Science story, but their backstory isn't really explained. For those who aren't familiar, this is a pretty good and thread-appropriate story about them: https://www.washingtonpost.com/arch...a-76461a5c20d7/ They are ex-Christian Scientists whose toddler died of treatable meningitis. After that, they founded an organization that campaigns for laws requiring parents to get their kids medical treatment. I have read longer stories about them before, but this was the best I could find in a quick google search today.
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The Canadian teens who went on a killing spree have been found. Looks like they died in the brush. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2019/08/07/canadian-teens-suspected-killing-spree/
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pookel posted:Rita and Doug Swan are mentioned in that Christian Science story, but their backstory isn't really explained. For those who aren't familiar, this is a pretty good and thread-appropriate story about them: Thank you for link! This story shows some of the insanity-----there is massive lying going on as well. Could be a great story for me to use....ty
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La Brea Carpet posted:The Canadian teens who went on a killing spree have been found. Looks like they died in the brush. It’s been a theme in this thread before but people consistently underestimate how dangerous it is to be up there alone and without support.
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Killingyouguy! posted:Don't know if it was Christian Science, but it was definitely Christian, a few years ago a family in the west of Canada was charged for the death of their teenage son from whom they withheld diabetes medication. There's Almost surely not, because the founder's (Mary Baker Eddy) writings would have been included. There are multiple tiny sects of fundies that solely rely on God for healing; Christian Science was a big established religion in comparison that successfully fought for a measure of respectability and acceptance in the US through various means. (While being an astonishing cult all along.) I'll quit posting about it though, this thread is a catch all I know.)
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Edgar Allen Ho posted:It’s been a theme in this thread before but people consistently underestimate how dangerous it is to be up there alone and without support. Autopsies still need to be done, but they probably killed themselves.
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The Mighty Moltres posted:Autopsies still need to be done, but they probably killed themselves. Those two yeah, but I meant in general. North of a provincial capital you can turn from famous to Eaten By Bears in like an hour. And then in the territories lol at rando white dudes going "omg yes i love the outdoors"
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i was so mad when, as a kid, i saw a christian scientist reading room (or whatever) and had to be told it wasn't just a group of scientists who happened to be christian. nope, just a weirdass cult. i wonder how many people have made that mistake
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bad posts ahead!!! posted:i was so mad when, as a kid, i saw a christian scientist reading room (or whatever) and had to be told it wasn't just a group of scientists who happened to be christian. nope, just a weirdass cult. 
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I imagined it as some sort of Biblical science think-tank, a library wherein scholars researched Biblical history, the natural sciences, theology etc.
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It honestly turned out to be exactly what I thought it would be
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For some reason I conflated Christian Scientists and Scientologists when I was a kid, having somehow heard both names but not knowing that they were actually two entirely different and separate life-ruining weirdo cults.
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Spins posted:Almost surely not, because the founder's (Mary Baker Eddy) writings would have been included. There are multiple tiny sects of fundies that solely rely on God for healing; Christian Science was a big established religion in comparison that successfully fought for a measure of respectability and acceptance in the US through various means. Please keep posting if you want to, it's fascinating.
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Killingyouguy! posted:Don't know if it was Christian Science, but it was definitely Christian, a few years ago a family in the west of Canada was charged for the death of their teenage son from whom they withheld diabetes medication. There's By the way, the images are all spoilered in this link, so you can click on it and read the story without having to look at them, if you're not sure.
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Spins posted:Almost surely not, because the founder's (Mary Baker Eddy) writings would have been included. There are multiple tiny sects of fundies that solely rely on God for healing; Christian Science was a big established religion in comparison that successfully fought for a measure of respectability and acceptance in the US through various means. When you're able, I would like to know whatever you're willing to share. The various religious movements that sprang up in the last half of the 19th century have always been fascinating to me as someone who grew up in a very staid Lutheran church.
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https://twitter.com/sairasameerarao/status/1159193443467481090?s=19
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we came to get the history of a southern plantation but without all the stuff about slaves 
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fwiw my christian scientist friend grew up jewish and converted in her 20s so she kind of got the best of both worlds, medical technology got her through the dangerous part of childhood and then when she was out of danger she threw herself upon the mercy of the LORD
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Spins posted:Almost surely not, because the founder's (Mary Baker Eddy) writings would have been included. There are multiple tiny sects of fundies that solely rely on God for healing; Christian Science was a big established religion in comparison that successfully fought for a measure of respectability and acceptance in the US through various means. When you get ready to reveal things, keep Truth & Transparency Foundation (formerly MormonLeaks) in mind, they've expanded beyond Mormonism.
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Bertrand Hustle posted:we came to get the history of a southern plantation but without all the stuff about slaves Nothing ruins historical places more than history.
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