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https://twitter.com/DunyaNews/status/1159095046311952384 and china's pissed too 
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Kurtofan posted:What does Ladakh mean Land of high passes. It was already called that.
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Aug 7, 2019 18:35
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the bjp has benefited massively from sectarianism, its what propelled them into national prominence in the first place the fallout from this isn't going to be a shooting war, but homegrown bombings, riots and communal violence that are going to play into modi's hands as he uses pogroms and ethnic cleanses way to another election victory that masks disastrous economic performance under his government
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Aug 7, 2019 18:36
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mila kunis posted:the bjp has benefited massively from sectarianism, its what propelled them into national prominence in the first place Seems like that's not a great needle to try and thread.
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Aug 7, 2019 21:24
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Failson posted:Seems like that's not a great needle to try and thread. they just pulled of an election landslide despite one of the highest unemployment rates in decades. they have the support of business elites and corporate media, and an extremely well funded and well trained propaganda apparatus.
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Aug 7, 2019 22:32
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mila kunis posted:they just pulled of an election landslide despite one of the highest unemployment rates in decades. I think the whole trying to make it not become a shooting war is going to a needle that gets increasingly harder to thread
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KomradeX posted:I think the whole trying to make it not become a shooting war is going to a needle that gets increasingly harder to thread i don't even think that's something india entirely wants to avoid
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i say swears online posted:i don't even think that's something india entirely wants to avoid Going by Twitter, ita certainly what the hooting Chuds want, but I would hope leadership would have some idea that a potential nuclear war would not be good
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infinite lols that the eminently reasonable and long-awaited step of turning Ladakh into its own union territory happens in the most idiotic circumstances imaginable
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Aug 7, 2019 23:13
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mila kunis posted:they just pulled of an election landslide despite one of the highest unemployment rates in decades. IIRC, Modi's approval rating was at an all time low before Jaish-e-Muhammed handed him reelection on a silver platter by killing 40 Indian soldiers and jump-starting the current India/Pakistan row Revanchism can reach a point of exhaustion though if death tolls are high enough. Compare the success of the GOP in 2008 after Iraq with the success of Likudniks after everything in Palestine for the past two decades. Basically Modi has to build equivalents of the Western Wall and come up with the equivalent of the Gaza blockade - but in one territory instead of two - in order to prevent Indian soldiers/incoming settlers from feeling the heat of insurgency Basically, in order to get reelected yet again, he has to make this really ugly and really brutal really fast. It's going to get really loving bad
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Fuzzy McDoom posted:infinite lols that the eminently reasonable and long-awaited step of turning Ladakh into its own union territory happens in the most idiotic circumstances imaginable Is it reasonable, though? From what I've heard the Shia Muslim population of Ladakh (roughly 30% and 76% in Cargill) is not down
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Yossarian-22 posted:Is it reasonable, though? From what I've heard the Shia Muslim population of Ladakh (roughly 30% and 76% in Cargill) is not down It follows the generally-accepted trend in India of massive states being broken up to give the more remote, underdeveloped areas their own governments that don't forget they exist (see also Jharkhand, Chattisgarh, Uttarakhand, etc). Now, granted that the Kargil area could feasibly be included with rump Kashmir on religious grounds but the following things are true: 1) Arguably the most reasonable way to divide the state is that there are two parts that are internally connected within themselves but can basically not reach the other when it snows, which is basically how they actually decided to divide it. 2) The hinterlands of Kargil district are very much part of the Ladakh cultural and economic sphere regardless of religious divide and you would probably have to subdivide the district, which would require effort the crafters of this bill to put in effort they obviously didn't to this GOP-esque whirlwind timeline of legislative fuckery 3) While Indian state boundaries have been essentially constantly-evolving, especially along linguistic and economic lines for decades, there has never been a split along religious lines since 1947, for obvious reasons 4) The Hindutva chud government doesn't give a gently caress about the interests of Muslim communities imo, the Union Territory path would have made sense in the past when it would have meant "the federal govt will paternalistically maintain control over this poor-rear end area while devolving development/economic control to local councils but we won't let you turn a new regional legislature into a prize/tool of communal violence". But now who really knows what it's going to look like since it's part of a wider strategy of "lmao gently caress muslims, nuclear war will make Kashmir Safe for Investors"
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i really do worry that the promise of ten million luxury summer vacation homes outweighs any downside, including war
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so how hot is this getting? there were reports of Pakistan and India shooting at each other
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Torpor posted:so how hot is this getting? there were reports of Pakistan and India shooting at each other Probably as hot as it'll get without a war being initiated, it's the same as with what's happening with US and Iran right now
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Torpor posted:so how hot is this getting? there were reports of Pakistan and India shooting at each other *huge shrug* Pakistan and India shoot at each other in Kashmir fairly regularly normal circumstances. India has Kashmir's civilian population completely cut off from communication, so, yeah...
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So I skimmed this thread and I wanna ask: Is the world really going to go into nuclear winter because some slapdick politician realized that he can get a bump in his approval ratings by ramping up a border fight with his neighbor, who also has nuclear bombs?
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Joey Steel posted:So I skimmed this thread and I wanna ask: possibly maybe
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Joey Steel posted:So I skimmed this thread and I wanna ask: No.
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Yeah there's no risk of nuclear weapons going off over this, it's going to be limited to just fighting in Kashmir most likely. China's ties with Pakistan are also probably helping prevent any big ideas about moving in towards Pakistan. The big issue is that you're going to see an enormous upswing in suicide bombings and terror strikes in Kashmir and northern India, though.
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Aug 8, 2019 19:02
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I agree China is the major deterrent to nuclear war over all this
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i say swears online posted:I agree China is the major deterrent to nuclear war over all this Not from Pakistan's side
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ikanreed posted:Not from Pakistan's side they're absolutely the cooler head in this situation in the d&d thread i flippantly said to give them a seat on the security council
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Grapplejack posted:Yeah there's no risk of nuclear weapons going off over this, it's going to be limited to just fighting in Kashmir most likely. China's ties with Pakistan are also probably helping prevent any big ideas about moving in towards Pakistan. The big issue is that you're going to see an enormous upswing in suicide bombings and terror strikes in Kashmir and northern India, though. worst case is I could see an attack on the scale of the one's we saw in 2008 in mumbai
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Grapplejack posted:Yeah there's no risk of nuclear weapons going off over this, it's going to be limited to just fighting in Kashmir most likely. China's ties with Pakistan are also probably helping prevent any big ideas about moving in towards Pakistan. The big issue is that you're going to see an enormous upswing in suicide bombings and terror strikes in Kashmir and northern India, though. I appreciate your optimism. Also bummer that what you describe is like the best-case scenario.
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https://twitter.com/ayaelb/status/1159562170763501573 yeah, it's bad
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Lmao we're all gonna die
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Religious/ethnic minority region gets put under martial law and total communication blackout overnight, legal and rhetorical preparations are openly being made for literal ethnic cleansing likely causing unrest and retaliatory pogroms in the near future. Overwhelming goon response: I heard there could be nuclear war?????
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OhFunny posted:The current India-administered Jammu and Kasmir (Pakistan and China administered regions disputed by India in light grey) those are some nasty-rear end borders
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:Religious/ethnic minority region gets put under martial law and total communication blackout overnight, legal and rhetorical preparations are openly being made for literal ethnic cleansing likely causing unrest and retaliatory pogroms in the near future. drat yeah two nuclear armed states at brink of war what kind of morons would think theres a possibility of nuclear war smh fuckin goons
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Joey Steel posted:So I skimmed this thread and I wanna ask:
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:drat yeah two nuclear armed states at brink of war what kind of morons would think theres a possibility of nuclear war smh fuckin goons
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don't think there's gonna be a shooting war beyond the kind of skirmishing we saw earlier this year but i do suspect Pakistan and China are gonna be getting really friendly with each other
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isnt pakistan already firmly in a chinese debt trap? i thought they were functionally bankrupt without chinese investment
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cargo cult posted:it's slightly less hysterical than thinking north korea is going to nuke guam, i'll give you that i don't think it has a significant chance of happening but dismissing any concerns about it as just Dumb Goons is obnoxious
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both countries have a well deserved reputation for being run by shameless kleptocrats so it should be sort of self-evident that the leadership isn't going to have an itchy trigger finger hovering over the nuclear button
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it would suck if one side elected an ethnonationalist instead of a kleptocrat
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i say swears online posted:it would suck if one side elected an ethnonationalist instead of a kleptocrat Oh poo poo oh gently caress
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Prav posted:those are some nasty-rear end borders Welcome to South Asia!
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i say swears online posted:it would suck if one side elected an ethnonationalist instead of a kleptocrat
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