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not yet but the words blockade and quarantine are being used https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-08-02/u-s-headed-toward-blockade-of-venezuela-trump-official-says https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...n-idUSKCN1UR5QF
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uncop posted:Maduro is an interesting guy, like he seems genuine and makes me feel like Venezuelan propaganda reflects the true sentiment of the idealistic side of its leadership. But there's also a noticeable bubble where they've been fighting a just defense of a revolution at least since the oil prices crashed and are actually energized by how USA has become so openly antagonistic in recent years. He embodies a sort of peak radlib ethos, where he not only associates revolution with established processes and institutions but also expects the people to literally launch a civil war to restore them if the government falls in an extra-judicial manner. Or actually in defense of something more radical, as if as an acknowledgement that he has been holding them back as a negotiation chip to preserve social peace with capitalists and so on. I think we're living the actual transformation of VZ from a liberal democracy to a socialist democracy. Chavez and Maduro are radical enough, but the imperialist siege has forged a whole new country and movement. We're in this weird revolutionary birthing period where Maduro is both calling for a return to normalcy and for diplomatic negotiations, while also creating a new legislature and arming the workers. He may seem like a naive dope sometimes, but it seems that things like CLAP and workers militias are actually working. He's become Fidel without the mass struggle that led to the party actually having a monopoly on power.
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# ? Aug 7, 2019 19:58 |
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Fast Luck posted:"largest economic collapse in a country outside of war since at least the 1970s." (embargoes are an act of war)
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# ? Aug 7, 2019 20:03 |
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Wow economy forecast to decline 35 percent in a single year, that's close enough to what Greece lost in the span of their whole crisis. We are talking about a legitimate state of national emergency, a total war without all the shooting or a dozen natural disasters hitting key locations.
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# ? Aug 7, 2019 20:33 |
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https://twitter.com/telesurenglish/status/1159154555784978435?s=19
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# ? Aug 7, 2019 20:57 |
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This is horrifying
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# ? Aug 7, 2019 21:14 |
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maduro is starving his people!!!!!!
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# ? Aug 7, 2019 21:34 |
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Fast Luck posted:Maduro offering new presidential elections to the opposition and the US vetoing the offer I can't believe you would post this without the full context of the paywalled article if you read the whole article you would see that bolton is perfectly right to not only torpedo negotiations, but to ratchet up sanctions and embargo/blockade venezuela
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# ? Aug 7, 2019 22:02 |
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since people are already going hungry in Venezuela things obviously cannot get any worse and so it's perfectly justified to cut off all food imports.
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# ? Aug 7, 2019 22:04 |
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CharlestheHammer posted:man this is really bad news for those who rationalized sanctions as only against certain people somehow the WSJ article actually still tries to claim that the embargo is not supposed to impact most of the people in Venezuela. quote:The new move threatens to target and impose sanctions on virtually any company or individual, foreign or American, that engages in business or offers support to anyone affiliated with the Maduro government, the official said. It isn’t designed to target the people of Venezuela, including their access to remittances. also they literally only have one paragraph with a quote from a guy saying that these sanctions may be hurting people, but its framed as incompetance on the part of the US quote:“The administration hasn’t been very good at dedicating financial lines that would allow the purchase of food and medicine in sanctioned countries,” said Jeffrey Schott, an economic-sanctions expert at the Peterson Institute for International Economics, a Washington think tank. “In practice, we still block food and medicine because the parties in the targeted regime that want to import it can’t get financing.”
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 00:52 |
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ok, i found the worst podcast ever: elliot abrams being interviewed by aei about venezuela. https://www.aei.org/multimedia/wth-is-going-on-in-venezuela-elliott-abrams-discusses-trumps-strategy/ it's really bad, elliot abrams lies constantly. the "best" bits are when he condemns maduro for running death squads and working with drug dealers completely deadpan. he is of course allowed to present a completely white-washed story of what he did. there isn't really any new information in it, but it is a bit unusual to hear the us openly state that they are invading to maintain us hegemony in the hemisphere and control venezuela's oil reserves. abrams also states that the united states government will not accept the results of any election in which maduro becomes president. saying the quiet bits loud is trump's trademark tho. abrams also claims that guaido hasn't seen a cent of the venezuelan money that was seized from the bank of england and citgo. he claims that this is because venezuela's us creditors will instantly sue guaido to take all of the money, instead of spending it on a coup. no honor among thieves, i guess. hopefully abrams didn't wire it all to the wrong swiss bank account this time. the only time the interviewers push back is to petulantly demand a full-scale us invasion asap.
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1158560094763638785 Wow... Did this predictable event possibly have an economic effect beforehand? I guess we'll never know.
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 01:06 |
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drat why arent they banned from social media yet for spreading propaganda???
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 14:13 |
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i couldn't find any story about this in the mainstream press, but i did find this 2018 AP article (so you know it's not propaganda and you can trust it) https://www.apnews.com/d4e050fc4fe741369928b2468694a16e quote:AP: As Venezuelans go hungry, Trump targets food corruption lol if they really did seize a massive shipment of food be prepared for propaganda that they're doing it to cut down on venezuelan food corruption and they just need to let in US aid lmao
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 14:26 |
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we have to blockade empanadas from entering venezuela or maduro will use it for dictatorial corrupt purposes
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 14:30 |
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comedyblissoption posted:we have to blockade empanadas from entering venezuela or maduro will use it for dictatorial corrupt purposes He'll eat all of them and turn into Super Maduro and then he'll be invincible
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 14:55 |
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Maduro chuckled. "You mean the chaos empanadas?"
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Atrocious Joe posted:the WSJ article actually still tries to claim that the embargo is not supposed to impact most of the people in Venezuela. I could see somebody believing this if they think people import food on an individual basis, like an international DoorDash.
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 15:51 |
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hmmm nice genocide the world is gleefully assisting us in
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 15:53 |
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What the EU and Lima Group care about first and foremost is human rights
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 15:55 |
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:What the EU and Lima Group care about first and foremost is human rights no you see, the trump administration cares deeply about human rights that's why they are locking people in stuffed to the brim cages
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 15:57 |
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*literally tries to feed otherwise starving people in an economy that consists of 70% private free enterprise that fails to feed those people* *is condemned by the AP as a failure of socialism and the poverty food program as a dictatorial corrupt social control policy*
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 16:21 |
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the US and john bolton and donald trump care about human rights *shoves news stories about latest yemen civilian bombings under rug*
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 16:22 |
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comedyblissoption posted:the US cares about human rights don't forget about the utter media blackout on Honduras!
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 16:23 |
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im the paperback clinton book that removed a reference to supporting the honduran coup as SOS
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 16:29 |
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death to america
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 16:34 |
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 16:38 |
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i love that the empanada summit thread has gone silent after bolton ratcheted up the punishment on venezuela to ultra starvation guess the USA didn't want to help venezuelans breathe free after all. at least when fnox returns from sweden his home will be free of all those dirty maduro supporters
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 17:22 |
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the only way out now is total nationalization
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 17:25 |
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pretty much, let this be a lesson as to what happens when you tolerate US-friendly private industry to exist in your nation
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 17:28 |
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Epic High Five posted:pretty much, let this be a lesson as to what happens when you tolerate US-friendly private industry to exist in your nation the risk is that if nationalization happens, the us will mass murder a bunch of venezuelans and maybe columbians, tell the media (who will buy it uncritically) that maduro did it, and then full on invade.
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 17:32 |
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Al! posted:the risk is that if nationalization happens, the us will mass murder a bunch of venezuelans and maybe columbians, tell the media (who will buy it uncritically) that maduro did it, and then full on invade. we're already either doing that or just a half step away from doing that, though Maduro should just arm his supporters and tell them where all the rich people grocery stores with food are, then give them standing orders to bring in every single American they see on the assumption that they're spies or wreckers
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 17:35 |
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Condiv posted:i love that the empanada summit thread has gone silent after bolton ratcheted up the punishment on venezuela to ultra starvation You can't get rid of the people who do all the work lol But they'll be safely disarmed and back as plantation slaves
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 17:39 |
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Al! posted:the risk is that if nationalization happens, the us will mass murder a bunch of venezuelans and maybe columbians, tell the media (who will buy it uncritically) that maduro did it, and then full on invade.
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 17:47 |
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what was the red line that qadaffi crossed? trying to subvert the petrodollar? what can you possibly expect if you literally ban venezuela from dealing in USD
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 17:48 |
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maybe "siezed" wasn't really true, still looks like the ship was stopped from reaching Venezuela though https://twitter.com/thepanamacanal/status/1159179644463190016 https://twitter.com/anyaparampil/status/1159507019726036994 https://twitter.com/DRodriguez_en/status/1159285495492481026
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 18:22 |
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working through the shipping insurance companies to keep food from coming into venezuela is even more insidious that seizing one cargo ship imo
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 18:30 |
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wow i cant believe maduro did this and you leftists would stand by and let it happen
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# ? Aug 8, 2019 18:33 |
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yet another reason why america landing troops is the best option left on the table lets get those burger kings built
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lmao the D&D thread is indeed just crickets and tumbleweeds for some reason
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