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keep punching joe posted:Haha Scottish Labour is finally eating itself. Thanks John. I am VERY on board for Scotlab to start supporting independence officially lol this thread would suddenly be super for it
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I mean if anything it would make scotlab literally irrelevant. E: so proably not much change really. Cos fundamentally I'm not sure what the point of a pro independence but also... pro labour party is? Like the whole point is that they wouldn't want to work with the labour government because the fundamentally wouldn't recognize the legitimacy of it? If you want a party that's trying to put a labour government in office then necessarily it has to be a unionist one because "we'll put you in government but only so we can leave" is already the SNP position, basically? It would also mean hijacking the entire platform of the labour party to their ends which seems... ill advised on UK labour's part? Like why would a labour government give away its majority by literally getting rid of the seats, for no benefit? It doesn't make sense from any angle really unless they believe that a: people would actually be better off not under a labour government or b: that scottish independence is more important than the welfare of everyone in the rest of the UK which I would hope would be clearly farcical? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Aug 8, 2019 |
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I'm not sure this thread is going to become massively pro land borders just because of the rosette of the person advocating them. Not a fan of sea borders either but geology continues to thwart me on that.
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ronya posted:I can certainly imagine keeping sufficient indoor plants to perpetually maintain a population of stick insects, but how on earth do they deal with the molts and dead young in random places in the house
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Guavanaut posted:I'm not sure this thread is going to become massively pro land borders just because of the rosette of the person advocating them. Not to be a hipster but I'm fed up of all these Pangaea stans, like Kenorland and Vaalbara and Gondwana didn't exist
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Ms Adequate posted:Pangaea stan
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Couldn't quite make my way all through this, at one point all I could muster was 'ok then' https://twitter.com/PeteNorth303/status/1158687958318424066
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Aug 8, 2019 19:37
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Guavanaut posted:That's what Katie Hopkins is going to be calling earth within a few years. "This is what it's like being a planet" "Yeah because you drew a target on yourself and no asteroids are actually heading your way"
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Aug 8, 2019 19:37
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Because you don't want the Labour party to be accused of racism too
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It's the Spectator, they'd jump at the chance.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:What they just wander the house? We used to have free range praying mantises in our indoor garden.
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Pesky Splinter posted:Is this a good thing or bad? In the grand tradition of Scottish Labour of the last 12 years it is neither good nor bad, it simply doesn't loving matter. For over a decade they've completely failed to losing the Scottish election in 2007. Allow me to lazily post a list of all the ScotLab leaders since that election from Wikipedia Jack McConnell (22 November 2001 15 August 2007) Cathy Jamieson (15 August 2007 14 September 2007) (Acting) Wendy Alexander (14 September 2007 28 June 2008) Cathy Jamieson (28 June 2008 13 September 2008) (Acting) Iain Gray (13 September 2008 17 December 2011) Johann Lamont (17 December 2011 24 October 2014) Jackie Baillie (24 October 2014 13 December 2014) (Acting) Kezia Dugdale (13 December 2014 13 June 2015 (Deputy Party Leader, Leader in the Parliament) Iain Gray (13 June 2015 15 August 2015) (Acting) Kezia Dugdale (15 August 2015 29 August 2017) Alex Rowley (29 August 2017 15 November 2017) (Acting, as Deputy Party Leader) Jackie Baillie (15 November 2017 18 November 2017) (Acting) Richard Leonard (18 November 2017 ) Yes, the Blairites have an outsized representation up here but even the Labour left here do little more than screech about the SNP. Richard Leonard regularly asks questions at FMQs about issues which aren't even loving devolved (he's not alone in that, Lib Dem Willie Rennie does it too). It might work when the opposition is the Tories but doesn't work with the SNP because huge numbers of SNP voters are former Labour voters and I can tell you from personal experience that Labour's reaction to the SNP in the past decade has been alienating, especially when combined with the general arrogant malaise of the "natural party of government" refusing to accept reality has changed and they haven't. I see little to be optimistic about in the short to medium term for Labour in Scotland. All the momentum of the Corbyn leadership cabinet didn't really happen here because it was less than 12 months after the indy ref and that was still the single most dominating issue, and frankly Labour campaigning with the Tories as Better Together hurt them. They might have saved the union but it is hard to calculate how much damage it did to the party in Scotland. Instead it's just "Nats bad" which, yes, the Nats are pretty pisspoor but loving nora, if your message hasn't worked for the last 12 years maybe try changing the tune? Make a positive case for voting Labour rather than a negative case for voting SNP. Some Nats won't be won over, even the relatively recent converts because they've nationalism is brain poison and they've convinced themselves Scotland is somehow special and uniquely ripe for socialist/social democratic government. But that's not all of them. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 20:16 on Aug 8, 2019 |
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Aug 8, 2019 20:14
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Holy poo poo that opening sentence. 
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Coohoolin posted:I am VERY on board for Scotlab to start supporting independence officially Labour did a thing. Somehow non-scottish people itt have done something wrong?
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I don't see any issue with Labour allowing IndyRef2 and any Labour government that allows one does not automatically mean that the party needs to pivot to a full nationalist party. It seems very odd that people in this thread are implying that.
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He could move to Wales. Not that I really want him to move here, but I imagine most schools still belt out Mae Hhen Wlad Fy Nhadau here.
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Aug 8, 2019 20:41
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I'm not even sure he knows the difference between a national anthem and a royal anthem.
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If youre a fan of democracy and democratic principles then you dont pick and choose to support self determination and democracy when it suits Coohoolin
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Made the horrible mistake of reading the comment section for this BBC article about climate change. Specifically the UN recommending people eating less meat. quote:Dear BBC, please give it a rest with the relentless Vegan propaganda. quote:The problem is TOO MANY PEOPLE quote:Why should I give up meat to help out those who can't stop reproducing? quote:More responsible breeding by humans would help the situation. There needs to be some level of global population control. Not only did a person consciously type out an argument with the subtext of "let's kill more brown children so I can keep eating Mcdonald's", but comments like it received some of the highest numbers of upvotes.  I hope the crab people do better when they take over the ruins of our civilisation.
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Aug 8, 2019 20:52
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Well we can go extinct safe in the knowledge that Israeli tardigrades will survive on the moon (this is bad for Corbyn)
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I support their idea to support global population control by the most effective methods, and looks forward to them *checks notes* redistributing wealth to the global south and constructing schools for women and girls.
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Sloth Life posted:I had to drop a dictionary on a hawk moth once. It was loving huge and in my flat so death was the only possible outcome.
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Was it this thread where someone was arguing that improving education and womens rights in developing nations was actually eugenics/genocide? lmbo
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Ratjaculation posted:Was it this thread where someone was arguing that improving education and womens rights in developing nations was actually eugenics/genocide? lmbo Um not that I can recall
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Total Meatlove posted:If you’re a fan of democracy and democratic principles then you don’t pick and choose to support self determination and democracy when it suits Coohoolin Rangers still aren't the same club as before no matter what the self determine as, sorry.
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https://twitter.com/derbychrisw/status/1157414462988701697?s=21 Oh god, he's heading the way I suspected he would.
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Coohoolin posted:Rangers still aren't the same club as before no matter what the self determine as, sorry. Logan wants you out of Europe before the end of August?
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feedmegin posted:Um not that I can recall I can see why people are automatically distrustful of everything that rich white men do though, especially in Africa. Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/derbychrisw/status/1157414462988701697?s=21
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I don't think it's a inconsistent position to go "We think Scotland is better off within the UK, but if the Scottish parliament has a majority for independence then we'd give them a referendum since it's the decision of the scottish people."
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Guavanaut posted:There is a popular conspiracy theory in some African circles that Bill Gates etc are so keen on giving African women access to family planning and prenatal health because Bill is terrified of more dark people rather than because high fertility rates both cause and are caused by poverty in women and girls. Another point I would like to make is that Bill Gates is, in fact, one of the biggest cunts in the universe Being a Jeff Bezos style monopolist for like 30 years kinda doesn't get completely erased when you graciously decide to give some money to charitable causes
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Guavanaut posted:There is a popular conspiracy theory in some African circles that Bill Gates etc are so keen on giving African women access to family planning and prenatal health because Bill is terrified of more dark people rather than because high fertility rates both cause and are caused by poverty in women and girls. I feel like any left-winger bringing up 'identity politics' is deeply unwise. It's firmly a right-wing dogwhistle these days, and it's not useful enough to be worth reclaiming. Then again, if Williamson was good at articulating thorny political concepts without sounding vaguely racist, he wouldn't be in his current situation.
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Guavanaut posted:There is a popular conspiracy theory in some African circles that Bill Gates etc are so keen on giving African women access to family planning and prenatal health because Bill is terrified of more dark people rather than because high fertility rates both cause and are caused by poverty in women and girls. I mean sure but I don't recall it being espoused by anyone itt
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Darth Walrus posted:https://twitter.com/derbychrisw/status/1157414462988701697?s=21 I can't watch the video he links, so I'm assuming he's not just considering the working class to be white and in old industrial areas. Is he talking about how New Labour split the working class apart along racial lines using all that bogus asylum seekers etc. narrative, and how it's important to bring the now-disparate parts of the working class back together intersectionally? I'd like to think so
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Darth Walrus posted:I feel like any left-winger bringing up 'identity politics' is deeply unwise. It's firmly a right-wing dogwhistle these days, and it's not useful enough to be worth reclaiming. Then again, if Williamson was good at articulating thorny political concepts without sounding vaguely racist, he wouldn't be in his current situation. jaete posted:Another point I would like to make is that Bill Gates is, in fact, one of the biggest cunts in the universe
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Darth Walrus posted:I feel like any left-winger bringing up 'identity politics' is deeply unwise. It's firmly a right-wing dogwhistle these days, and it's not useful enough to be worth reclaiming. Then again, if Williamson was good at articulating thorny political concepts without sounding vaguely racist, he wouldn't be in his current situation. I've never really understood what identity politics is, or is supposed to be. I don't think that's a phrase that has ever been uttered by an actual politician? Some pundits refer to it every now and then, but usually without sufficient context.  Apparently, from what I've been able to guess, "identity politics" means something like, aha, these people are left-of-centre, so that must mean they also hate nuclear power and are against the existence of NATO, or some other dumb poo poo where people get lumped into imaginary, stupid categories dreamed up by liberals
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It's talking about race and gender and disability and the lbgtqs instead of Yorkshiremen in hard hats.
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It's the politics of identity as opposed to the politics of economics. So, religion, race, gender, all that jazz. It's almost always used pejoratively, either by white straight male left-wingers who don't like being told that their policies were only designed to better the lot of white straight men, or by far-right white identitarians who absolutely know what they're doing when they use it as a dog whistle for 'non-white interests'.
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Reminds me of a joke that the only progress that the trad left made on gay rights was going from saying "after capitalism is over, homosexuality will be a thing of the past" to saying "after capitalism is over, homophobia will be a thing of the past."
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