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They're great for kitchen table players. Did you expect the 35 dollar product to be on par with your Force of Will / Mana drain EDH deck?
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DangerDongs posted:They're great for kitchen table players. Did you expect the 35 dollar product to be on par with your Force of Will / Mana drain EDH deck? Ahem, they're forty-five???
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Aug 9, 2019 06:35
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I'm sorry so this might be a dumb question. How does the Nexus of Fate / Wilderness Reclamation combo work? I thought Azcanta had something to do with it but apparently it doesn't because I just played against a guy who went Infinite without it. The thing I don't understand is how they were able to keep recurring Nexus of Fate when they seemingly didn't have anything that let them get a card from their graveyard. There was no Tefari out or anything like that.
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Aug 9, 2019 08:24
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SalTheBard posted:I'm sorry so this might be a dumb question. How does the Nexus of Fate / Wilderness Reclamation combo work? I thought Azcanta had something to do with it but apparently it doesn't because I just played against a guy who went Infinite without it. The thing I don't understand is how they were able to keep recurring Nexus of Fate when they seemingly didn't have anything that let them get a card from their graveyard. There was no Tefari out or anything like that. Nexus puts itself back in your deck any time it would go to your graveyard. The only other thing you need is a way to dig through your deck fast enough to find it again.
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Aug 9, 2019 08:27
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Jabor posted:Nexus puts itself back in your deck any time it would go to your graveyard. The only other thing you need is a way to dig through your deck fast enough to find it again. Jesus an extra turn, at instant speed, that goes back in your deck? O_O Wow. I guess I don't understand how they were continually getting one then because Azcanta wasn't flipped over at the point the infinite cycle started. I guess it's possible they had multiples in their hand.
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Aug 9, 2019 08:30
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Generally you run a lot of card draw, stuff like Tamiyo/Azcanta/Narset to filter their whole deck. The Wilderness reclamation is to: Allow them to generate enough mana for nexus early (A lot of people on arena gently caress up Manual control for this) Allow them to play spells and then still react to the opponents turn/do stuff at instant speed The Azcanta interaction (once they are azcantaing 2+ times a turn they generally are in a lock assuming you can't disrupt them successfully) Stormgale fucked around with this message at 08:47 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Aug 9, 2019 08:43
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Ohhh ok that makes sense. Looking at 6 cards is probably bound to get you something you need. Thank you!
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Aug 9, 2019 08:46
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DangerDongs posted:They're great for kitchen table players. Did you expect the 35 dollar product to be on par with your Force of Will / Mana drain EDH deck? This isn't a post anyone is making.
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Aug 9, 2019 09:23
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this product does not look like it was primarily designed to be great for kitchen table players. it looks like the primary design consideration was not getting vetoed by the dumbshit at wizards who vetoes attempts to reprint expensive cards, and being fun and exciting for kitchen table players came in second behind that.
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Aug 9, 2019 09:27
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Lone Goat posted:edh is the format where people get mad at you if you win, so if anything, bad edh cards is what the people want! lol. You say this like every format isn’t this way.
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Aug 9, 2019 11:23
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DangerDongs posted:They're great for kitchen table players. Did you expect the 35 dollar product to be on par with your Force of Will / Mana drain EDH deck? Partner commanders (Tymna, Thrasios, Vial Smasher, Kraum, Tana), mono-blue Teferi planeswalker, Kess, Yidris, Animar, Prossh, Edric, Derevi, Bane of Progress, Scavenging Ooze, Command Tower, Song of the Dryads, Stranglehold, Grasp of Fate These are all cards that were first printed in a commander product and have gone on to become cornerstones in the format. WotC can and does print good cards in these precons sometimes. Maybe it's only by accident and the last two years they've managed to avoid accidentally designing anything desirable.
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Aug 9, 2019 11:30
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Madness and Morph deck both own bones for different reasons and even include a pretty good number of reprints even if they arent quite the ones you would want. Populate and Flashback decks arent on their level but include some decent commanders and a few new cards that are worth picking. Im chalking this up to a win, gonna pick up all four with leftover store credit and turn them into a battlebox for my boardgame group.
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Aug 9, 2019 11:33
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Is there a reason commander decks are still 99 cards aside from tradition?
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Aug 9, 2019 11:35
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It was basically just the arbitrary number they settled on when making the format. Canadian Highlander (I think that's the name) was a 100 card Singleton format before EDH was a thing, so they probably borrowed it from there. Sometimes I do wish it was 60 cards, just because shuffling a 100 card double sleeved deck is annoying.
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Aug 9, 2019 11:44
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If you aren't a little hype to play egg/giant dork tribal then gtfo.
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Aug 9, 2019 14:01
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Lone Goat posted:edh is the format where people get mad at you if you win, so if anything, bad edh cards is what the people want! it really feels like this is their design philosophy. every card costs 10 mana and requires significant setup costs to do anything at all.
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Aug 9, 2019 14:23
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Magic the Gathering is a brain disease http://twitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1159815361862258689
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Aug 9, 2019 14:41
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that looks more like capitalism's fault to me
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Aug 9, 2019 14:47
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Aranan posted:Partner commanders (Tymna, Thrasios, Vial Smasher, Kraum, Tana), mono-blue Teferi planeswalker, Kess, Yidris, Animar, Prossh, Edric, Derevi, Bane of Progress, Scavenging Ooze, Command Tower, Song of the Dryads, Stranglehold, Grasp of Fate Aside from the Partners year the average for widely-playable new cards has been low. And this year has one, if not two, new cards that will be played in the format extensively. Nothing legacy playable like a TNN, but ‘new commander staples’.
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Aug 9, 2019 14:49
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Voyager I posted:This isn't a post anyone is making. Complaining about reprint value for intro decks for new players mainly aimed at creating new cards for a more casual format is exactly that post. I also agree these decks look weak. I can't imagine a product that cost less than 50 being a serious big boy deck is legacy with fast mana format.
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Aug 9, 2019 14:49
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EDH players are really bad at evaluating cards. Look at how many edh players will pay out the ears for a rhystic study but not look twice at a mystic remora. Printing cards that edh players think are sick but are actually terrible is perfect for a commander product. Way better than putting high value cards that edh players don't care about. e: also see Empowered Autogenerator, an outrageously slow ramp card (how would you like to have 6 mana on turn 5?). EDH players love that. It's infinite value. Or reliquary tower, a recently reprinted uncommon with marginal value, still going 3 dollars. Dr. Stab fucked around with this message at 15:18 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Aug 9, 2019 15:12
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At least they're giving us decent cards in the normal sets, I guess. I stand by my statement that War and MH1 each individually had more new cards worth playing in commander than C19.
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Aug 9, 2019 15:14
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Aranan posted:At least they're giving us decent cards in the normal sets, I guess. I stand by my statement that War and MH1 each individually had more new cards worth playing in commander than C19. Battlebond was the best Commander product.
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Aug 9, 2019 15:19
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What are the odds that a big % of the people complaining about c19 don't even play commander.
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Aug 9, 2019 15:23
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I thought everyone who posted here has quit playing magic years ago, but still post just to tell other people that the formats they enjoy are bad.
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Aug 9, 2019 15:37
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I like to play magic
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Aug 9, 2019 15:43
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Time posted:I like to play magic Me too but I also hate every minute of it
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Aug 9, 2019 15:44
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I like playing Commander casually with my friends
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Aug 9, 2019 15:44
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I like playing commander competitively with my friends. It’s great to be able to play a half dozen game of commander in a single night. More power to the people that love a 6-hour game of battlecruiser, but if I wanted that I’d play Monopoly or Risk (under no circumstances would I play either).
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Aug 9, 2019 15:54
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Time posted:I like to play magic I like to get hosed you don't see me bragging
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Aug 9, 2019 15:54
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MikeCrotch posted:Is there a reason commander decks are still 99 cards aside from tradition? they're 100 cards, but the 100th card doesn't start in your library
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Aug 9, 2019 16:05
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Aranan posted:I thought everyone who posted here has quit playing magic years ago, but still post just to tell other people that the formats they enjoy are bad. this was me then Arena came out so i play that now so obviously any format that can't be played on arena is bad
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Aug 9, 2019 16:06
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Boco_T posted:Magic the Gathering is a brain disease I mean, it's what I'd do if I was still not making much money and wanted to fund my hobby. It's probably a bad dollar to time ratio otherwise to do this kind of thing. In theory going with no MSRP should also solve this by letting the price to customers float, but then you constantly get people complaining about gouging.
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Aug 9, 2019 16:07
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Dr. Stab posted:EDH players are really bad at evaluating cards. Look at how many edh players will pay out the ears for a rhystic study but not look twice at a mystic remora. Printing cards that edh players think are sick but are actually terrible is perfect for a commander product. Way better than putting high value cards that edh players don't care about. Both Rhystic Study and Mystic Remora are fantastic cards. What's more troubling is how many people don't pay the 1. Holy poo poo dude don't let the Rhystic user draw 4 cards per turn please. (Unless it's me. Gimme.)
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Aug 9, 2019 17:29
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Framboise posted:Both Rhystic Study and Mystic Remora are fantastic cards. Sure but mystic remora is a better card than rhystic study in almost every circumstance, and costs less to buy, but there's tons of decks out there that play rhystic study and not mystic remora.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:40
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A 1 drop enchantment is a no-brainer include, yeah. I think a lot of people are turned off by the cumulative upkeep but don't realize that it's very much worth it, especially early game.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:45
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Boco_T posted:Magic the Gathering is a brain disease all 5 of the stores by me wouldn't sell the TNN deck alone, if you wanted it you had to buy the full set of them. 
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Aug 9, 2019 17:47
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TheTofuShop posted:all 5 of the stores by me wouldn't sell the TNN deck alone, if you wanted it you had to buy the full set of them. Because no one wanted the other four decks. Wizards did a second wave of the TNN deck, but made stores buy the other four decks.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:54
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The Oloro deck was actually my first EDH pickup. I don't regret it-- at the very least I have Oloro and Toxic Deluge out of it.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:58
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TheTofuShop posted:all 5 of the stores by me wouldn't sell the TNN deck alone, if you wanted it you had to buy the full set of them. That's why he went to Walmarts and Targets, because they don't give a drat. It's only your FLGS that knows that only the one deck will move.
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Aug 9, 2019 18:07
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