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536 posted:https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6711945/Masked-police-unit-accused-killing-200-President-Maduro-desperately-clings-power.html Never cite the Daily Mail as proof of anything. Not even the sun rising in the morning. Just... don't. Double especially never cite the Daily Mail about contentious political events.
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Vincent Van Goatse posted:Never cite the Daily Mail as proof of anything. Not even the sun rising in the morning. Just... don't. I’d actually bet Venezuelanalysis has published more articles critical of the Venezuelan government than Daily Mail has articles in support of it.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:13
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The paper that supported Nazi Germany sounds like a good source. Oh I forgot we already agreed that Nazis are good allies as long as they don't like Maduro, carry on.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:19
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“Maduro is starving his people!” ~guaido has the US impose an embargo of Venezuela~ “oh that’s fine” Does anyone think the pro coup opposition could win an election on “we’re blocking food from entering the country, vote for us so we can end public housing and food aid”?
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Aug 9, 2019 17:23
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As a reminder, official Venezuelan government statistics said 5,287 people were killed by the police for resisting arrest in 2018. That's death squad numbers.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:24
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Darth Walrus posted:As a reminder, official Venezuelan government statistics said 5,287 people were killed by the police for resisting arrest in 2018. Post the government source. Oh wait it doesn’t exist, it was made up. Glad to know everyone is falling for “the Iraqi army is killing Kuwaiti infants on respirators!” again.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:26
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uninterrupted posted:“Maduro is starving his people!” well the reason we need to coup is that Guaido isn't going to get elected, ya know, democratically. Come on man we've already thought of that.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:27
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uninterrupted posted:Post the government source. Here you go. Paragraph fifty. Care to share with the class why you think a U.N. report headed by someone who was tortured and had her father killed by Pinochet fabricated testimony from the Venezuelan government?
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Aug 9, 2019 17:37
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uninterrupted posted:Post the government source. The Venezuelan government filed an official response to Bachelet’s report, disputing various aspects of it as incorrect, including aspects of that exact paragraph. One aspect they didn’t dispute? The 5,287 number. They suggest various corrections before publication but that isn’t one of them. (In fact, they complained that Bachelet didn’t present data showing that the number was dropping, suggesting it was *worse* in the past.)
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Aug 9, 2019 17:44
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Interesting that your Venezuelan government source doesn’t end in .vz, and the Venezuelan government itself disputes the report. Darth Walrus posted:Care to share with the class why you think a U.N. report headed by someone who was tortured and had her father killed by Pinochet fabricated testimony from the Venezuelan government? Because she was president of a country trying to overthrow the Venezuelan government? Also, the assertion that she can only make decisions based on her father’s experiences is pretty wildly misogynistic. Unsurprising someone supporting another illegal US right wing coup would hold such noxious views towards women.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:48
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How do those numbers compare to say Colombia? Im curious to as of how extreme they are relative to Latin America.
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Aug 9, 2019 17:49
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uninterrupted posted:Interesting that your Venezuelan government source doesn’t end in .vz, and the Venezuelan government itself disputes the report.  I wonder why the Venezuelan government would dispute a report that claims they’ve committed crimes?Is this delusional tirade going to happen every 30 days on the dot or are you ever going to give up the Maduro apologia?
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Aug 9, 2019 17:57
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fnox posted:
Sorry to spoil your safe space. I’m sure you’re downright thrilled to see an embargo of Venezuela and upcoming military invasion while you’re safe and sound. How many people does Guaido need to starve through his bosses sanctions before you stop blindly supporting him?
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Aug 9, 2019 18:00
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uninterrupted posted:Sorry to spoil your safe space. I’m sure you’re downright thrilled to see an embargo of Venezuela and upcoming military invasion while you’re safe and sound. I’m pretty critical of Guaido. I’m pretty critical of the US. You can’t even loving recognize that the Maduro government has done anything wrong, up to the point of things they’ve admitted to such as killing 5000 people.
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Aug 9, 2019 18:02
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punk rebel ecks posted:How do those numbers compare to say Colombia? Im curious to as of how extreme they are relative to Latin America. Turns out Wikipedia has a page for that.
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Aug 9, 2019 18:11
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Sidenote: https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...ca73_story.html Wapo confirming what most everyone knew: US sanctions are causing widespread suffering in Venezuela, beyond the worst of what Maduro is accused of Before the worst of the sanctions most Venezuelan expats were well-off professionals
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Aug 9, 2019 18:22
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uninterrupted posted:Before the worst of the sanctions most Venezuelan expats were well-off professionals You're a loving joke. We're talking about 4 million people in a country of 30 million, but nah they're all gotta be rich and wealthy and white and fascist. The way you tankies treat refugees and expats has always been disgusting, they're bougie until the day they become convenient to you.
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Aug 9, 2019 18:26
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Only includes two Latin American countries. But seeing Venezuela so much higher than El Salvador and Brazil per capita is telling.
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Aug 9, 2019 18:37
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fnox posted:You're a loving joke. We're talking about 4 million people in a country of 30 million, but nah they're all gotta be rich and wealthy and white and fascist. The way you tankies treat refugees and expats has always been disgusting, they're bougie until the day they become convenient to you. Do you have an issue with WaPos sources or are you just mad even the western media can’t keep your narrative going?
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Aug 9, 2019 18:39
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Those 25000 tons of soybeans that are no longer going to Venezuela due to the blockade is going to really gently caress things
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Aug 9, 2019 18:46
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Absolutely loving the weekly recurrence of the narrative that the head of the Chilean Socialist Party who was personally, actually tortured by the Pinochet regime is a fascist CIA asset who is fabricating calumnies about socialism. Posting this theory to defend your pro-death squad politics doesn't make you look like an insane cultist at all.
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Aug 9, 2019 18:50
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uninterrupted posted:Post the government source. So what you’re saying is that Guaidó is actually a defender of the republic, the Bolivarian revolution and it’s people?
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Aug 9, 2019 18:59
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Jose posted:Those 25000 tons of soybeans that are no longer going to Venezuela due to the blockade is going to really gently caress things A healthy and balanced diet of soybeans and nothing but soybeans at exactly one kg of soybeans per Venezuelan, optimistically Sure, buddy
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Aug 9, 2019 19:01
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Furia posted:A healthy and balanced diet of soybeans and nothing but soybeans at exactly one kg of soybeans per Venezuelan, optimistically Venezuelans don’t want food, they want excess us ordinance in their quivering bomb-pussies. Also sewer water apparently. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) (USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 9, 2019 19:04
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Furia posted:A healthy and balanced diet of soybeans and nothing but soybeans at exactly one kg of soybeans per Venezuelan, optimistically So what you're saying is sanctions and an embargo are fine because venezuelans don't need food
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Aug 9, 2019 19:06
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uninterrupted posted:Venezuelans don’t want food Yes, they do. That’s why we and anyone sane expectating from the outside wants Maduro to get French revolution’d ASAP
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Aug 9, 2019 19:06
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Jose posted:So what you're saying is sanctions and an embargo are fine because venezuelans don't need food No, you dumbfuck, but nice straw man. If Maduro actually gave a gently caress about feeding the people there wouldn’t be a multi billion dollar hole in the economy You ever wonder why you value your thoughts more than the life of minorities? Something for you to think about if you ever wanna give the whole “being a human thing” a go
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Aug 9, 2019 19:08
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Furia posted:Yes, they do. That’s why we and anyone sane expectating from the outside wants Maduro to get French revolution’d ASAP ~Elliot Abrams coordinates with the opposition to turn food and medicine away from Venezuela~ “This is Maduros fault. Making food cheap enough for poor people is the real problem. I get big horney for US imperialism.”
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Aug 9, 2019 19:11
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Furia posted:No, you dumbfuck, but nice straw man. If Maduro actually gave a gently caress about feeding the people there wouldn’t be a multi billion dollar hole in the economy lol you think if maduro stepped down but PSUV stayed in charge the US would actually let food into the country?
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Aug 9, 2019 19:13
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M. Discordia posted:Absolutely loving the weekly recurrence of the narrative that the head of the Chilean Socialist Party who was personally, actually tortured by the Pinochet regime is a fascist CIA asset who is fabricating calumnies about socialism. Posting this theory to defend your pro-death squad politics doesn't make you look like an insane cultist at all. I mean, the legion of white noise lefty posters are the opposition you deserve when you've made your own pro-death squad posts in this very thread. M. Discordia posted:Now that the PSUV is in open sedition against the first legitimately elected government of Venezuela in 17 years, it's time to just round them up and kill them in an orderly fashion instead of doing so at the end of a protracted and destructive civil war. M. Discordia posted:There is no time like the present to Kill All Communists. M. Discordia posted:Now that the PSUV is in open sedition against the first legitimately elected government of Venezuela in 17 years, it's time to just round them up and kill them in an orderly fashion instead of doing so at the end of a protracted and destructive civil war. M. Discordia posted:The USSR and the PRI and the Sandinistas fell and they all had a lot more competence at keeping dissent out of the public eye. Eventually the Venezuelan people will Kill All Communists, there are no perpetual dictatorships. Funny how now that you no longer anticipate a speedy overthrow of the government you've suddenly realized that actually death squads may not be so great.
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Jose posted:lol you think if maduro stepped down but PSUV stayed in charge the US would actually let food into the country? I don’t know, but Maduro certainly doesn’t want to find out. Weird how he has the option to bring in a new candidacy within his party and save the lives of millions and just chooses not to
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Aug 9, 2019 19:15
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Of which, btw, you might want to look up when toilet paper began becoming scarce in Caracas, the most well provided city in the country. Hint: the year ends with 12
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Aug 9, 2019 19:18
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uninterrupted posted:Who are these western ghouls supporting Maduro? Maduro needs to be isolated from the international left on every level, as he is the one ultimately responsible for Venezuela's hardships. e: Yes Foro de São Paulo is hardly Western I know, but they still are willing to be seen with Maduro. e2: This poo poo is what I mean, prominent Swedish left leaning newspaper openly supporting Maduro and his government. Noshtane fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Aug 9, 2019 |
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Aug 9, 2019 19:25
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Furia posted:Yes, they do. That’s why we and anyone sane expectating from the outside wants Maduro to get French revolution’d ASAP Too bad Venezuelans don't agree, as we saw when Guaido held a coup and nobody came. Although I guess Bolton learned from that since now he doesn't want them to vote in case they vote wrong
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Aug 9, 2019 19:34
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Noshtane posted:Well, you, for one. Then there was also Foro de São Paulo hosted in not too long ago. Despite being more bloodthirsty than Pinochet, Maduri still garner support from various "leftists", around the world. Lol yes, nearly every western government is trying to starve out Venezuela with an economic blockage, but it is I, a Poster on a Notoriously Dead and Gay Forum, who is singlehandedly keeping Maduro’s reign aloft. Also not seeing where that article even supports Maduro. It is a us-supported coup attempt, that’s just the objective truth.
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Aug 9, 2019 19:54
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The reaction of imperialists to the failure of Guaido has handily exposed what they were always about. Maduro's government is authoritarian and corrupt, of course they've mismanaged the economy and committed terrible crimes. And up until May, imperialists could keep all the focus on Maduro and wrap themselves in a mantle of belief in democracy and humanitarian concern and claim they spoke for the Venezuelan people. Only they got too high on their own supply and when their guy tried to get the public behind him it turns out...they aren't. And now that the imperialists know they won't achieve their political goals democratically, they must make the case for non-democratic methods. And so belief in democracy and humanitarian concern are dropped like the cynical tools they always were, because if Venezuelans won't choose right we have to make them choose right and if that means an embargo killing orders of magnitude more Venezuelans than Maduro is responsible for well so be it (and really, it might even be preferable, after all it's the very poor who will suffer, not the neighborhoods full of wealthy oppositionists with well-stocked groceries, and statistically the poor are much more likely to be guilty of capital political crimes such as voting for the PSUV so I mean win-win right). None of this was ever exactly well-hidden, but it's at least refreshing that they're finally being honest about what they want.
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uninterrupted posted:Lol yes, nearly every western government is trying to starve out Venezuela with an economic blockage, but it is I, a Poster on a Notoriously Dead and Gay Forum, who is singlehandedly keeping Maduro’s reign aloft. You are equally responsible for Maduro as some random Pinochet supporting reactionary was for the state of Chile during the 80s. Neither you, nor that reactionary is single-handedly keeping your respective dictatorship afloat but you are still supporters. As for proletären, claiming "Venezuelas folkvalda och legitima regering ser ut att ha lyckats stoppa det inledande skedet i USA:s försök till statskupp igår." as a response to the National Assembly declaring Guiado the interim president isn't supporting Maduro, I don't know what is. They, just like certain posters in this thread, seem to ignore that Guiado was a thing in Venezuelan politics long before the US started acting up and that PSUV is in fact not the legitimate and fairly elected government in Venezuela.
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Aug 9, 2019 20:23
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‘If it where that bad the people getting run over by tanks would just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and take out the heavily armed gangs and military’ - a “leftist” Naruto running itt to defend 2%ers
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Aug 9, 2019 20:27
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Furia posted:‘If it where that bad the people getting run over by tanks would just pull themselves up by their bootstraps and take out the heavily armed gangs and military’ - a “leftist” Naruto running itt to defend 2%ers This is one of those arguments that only sorta made sense before the opposition revealed that democratic elections are not acceptable to them because the people might not vote for them
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VitalSigns posted:This is one of those arguments that only sorta made sense before the opposition revealed that democratic elections are not acceptable to them because the people might not vote for them By democratic elections you mean “these groups of people are unequivocally banned from running for office for no explainable reason”, no? Because elections are no guarantee of democracy
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