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ianmacdo posted:Thats one of the things I don't really understand. If society collapses what is stopping the security specialists from just killing the owners and putting themselves in charge? Or just taking the money now and then just loving off when poo poo goes down? If things stay bad enough for long enough then the armed groups that grow in strength tend to be the ones with a stronger ideology than just fighting for money. Just look at Syria: the West was absolutely desperate for a non-Jihadist or at least "moderate" rebel force to arm and support but no matter how hard they tried they just couldn't find one that was actually capable of fielding an army. Rational self interest is a fine motivator for armed guards or well fed knee-cap-breaking thugs but in a truly dire situation you want your fighters to believe in something more than their next paycheck.
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Salean posted:gotta be honest i, also, have a program for extracting executives Please tell me it's a giant juicer.
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Fashionable Jorts posted:So other than the armed security, theres no armed security! I mean you can try to get an authorization to carry, but the government doesn't exactly hand them out to anyone that wants one. I believe in all of Canada there were 8000 ish ATC's issued and nearly all of those go to armored car guards and usually are not for amed security guarding warehouses or escorting VIPs around.
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Helsing posted:If things stay bad enough for long enough then the armed groups that grow in strength tend to be the ones with a stronger ideology than just fighting for money. Just look at Syria: the West was absolutely desperate for a non-Jihadist or at least "moderate" rebel force to arm and support but no matter how hard they tried they just couldn't find one that was actually capable of fielding an army. Rational self interest is a fine motivator for armed guards or well fed knee-cap-breaking thugs but in a truly dire situation you want your fighters to believe in something more than their next paycheck. tbf they totally found one, it was the Kurds, because as you say, they had an ideology and a goal besides "the USA will give us 100 million dollars to fight ISIS and Assad".
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Chillyrabbit posted:The only people authorized to carry restricted firearms (handguns) besides peace officers are wilderness workers (trappers, geologist, surveyors etc), and people protecting money/gold/jewellery. imo it's hosed up that people are allowed by the government to start shootouts in public places over money
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BattleMaster posted:imo it's hosed up that people are allowed by the government to start shootouts in public places over money They're not? They're armed in the interest of protecting their own life from people willing to kill them to get to what they're protecting. I would imagine if they fired a shot in defense of their cargo, but not of their life, there would be legal consequences. As far as i understand, they are as limited in their use of weapons as you are in defending your home. https://globalnews.ca/news/1765700/some-security-guards-can-carry-guns-but-can-be-charged-for-shooting/ It's kind of like a lock. It's not going to stop someone with the tools to cut it off, it's there to stop crimes of opportunity, somebody swiping something that's not protected. Somebody has issued a correction as of 11:42 on Sep 13, 2022 |
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Powershift posted:They're not? Hey thats actually good to know. I've had a number of jobs where I had to handoff money to bank van security guards, and it always seemed very weird to me that they could just walk around with a handgun like it's no big deal. Learning this is somewhat comforting. Somebody has issued a correction as of 11:42 on Sep 13, 2022 |
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Authorization to carry restricted/prohibited firearmsquote:Lawful Profession or Occupation Not to detract from the subject but I'm not even sure what that Pinkerton interview was supposed to cover. Was it like a future imagining of a Mad Max Canada and the resource wars from climate change?
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Chillyrabbit posted:Authorization to carry restricted/prohibited firearms It's propaganda to futher skew the power dynamic between the poor and wealthy. Basically The wealthy: We're only going to pay you the bare minimum that you need to live The poor: Oh no The wealthy: We want more, we're going to pay you less than you need, but you can borrow the money so you can never quit your job The poor: Ohhhhh nooooooooooo The wealthy: We've determined that we might run out of water, so you can't have anymore The poor: Well, maybe it's time we got the guillotines out again, and...... The wealthy: Start planting news articles about our private army Russia: We're out of water and we have more tanks than you have people so we're taking all of yours The wealthy: But we're still cool, right, Russia? Russia: and we're taking those fancy houses, too.
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DariusLikewise posted:bernier is going to lose his own seat i was going to ask where in quebec has 67% combined support for conservative parties and then I wikied it and quote:It is also the riding with the highest percentage of White Caucasians (99.3%).[4][5][6] lmao
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https://twitter.com/twitandrewking/status/1159913978946043905?s=20 desparately yearning for the days when we could just throw enough chinese slave labourers at a project until it was completed
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DariusLikewise posted:bernier is going to lose his own seat 50/50 vote split in a deep blue riding jacknicholsonyes.jpg
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Senior officials in Ottawa advised to focus on the majority to counter populism, documents show Newly released documents show senior government officials were advised to "bring the focus back to the majority" — instead of on diversity values — in public communications to counter the threat of populism in Canada. The task force deputy ministers heard this idea during meetings last year looking at what the government could do to guard against a possible rise in extremism and populism domestically. The group was told to encourage more public conversations and debate focused on "us" rather than "us-versus-them" narratives to foster "social cohesion." A briefing note prepared for the senior civil servants warned that if only "marginalized populations are considered," the result would be that "others feel as if they do not matter." "Social cohesion must become a new lens of policymaking. In order to achieve this, the government needs to build connections across difference, foster greater empathy and bring the focus back to the majority (i.e. the middle groups)," officials wrote in the documents. The suggestions originated from an international expert invited to speak to the deputy minister task force on diversity and inclusiveness in October 2018. The Canadian Press obtained a copy of the presentation and other documents to the task force under the Access to Information Act. Polarization in Canada Tim Dixon, co-founder of the U.K.-based think-tank More in Common, told the task force that Canada is facing the same disruptive forces playing out in other countries that can fuel polarization and division — although Canada may be more resilient to these forces due to past successes in building an inclusive national identity. He said polarization of opinion can cause some to become resentful of minority groups perceived to be getting special benefits, such as housing or social assistance, at others' expense. These sentiments are most common among a majority of people who fit into a "middle group" category, marked by moderate views between the extremes of "cosmopolitans with open values" and "nationalists with closed values." That's why Canada was advised to "build social solidarity" by avoiding pitting the interests of one group against another in public communications. Rather, Canada should "elevate the 'more in common' message and demonstrate the falsehood of narratives of division," according to Dixon's presentation. The documents show that after the meeting, officials discussed ways the government could incorporate the advice into federal policy. One idea put forward was possibly using Canada's school system, with its "massive integration power," to educate and connect people in order to build more empathy and social cohesion, according to a summary of the discussion among deputies. Focus on 'shared values' When it comes to future communications, deputy ministers stressed the need to "focus on shared values rather than diversity values when framing the social cohesion narrative," the meeting summary says. Prime Minister Justin Trudeau appears to have taken this advice to heart in his political messaging leading up to the federal election this October. During a Liberal fundraising event last month, asked about countering populist sentiment in the campaign, Trudeau stressed the need to seek common ground and compromise among Canadians. "We've always learned to listen to each other, find common ground figure out a way to move forward that brings people along," Trudeau said at the July 18 event in Victoria. "The idea is that we are a country of diversity, a country of a broad range of views and the responsibility we have is to try to bring those views together in a forward path. We can find things that Canadians understand are that right balance — and that, for me, is the counter to populism." Gesturing toward a group of pipeline protesters outside the event, Trudeau quipped that none of them was carrying signs promoting messages of compromise — a point he used to highlight that many of the loudest voices are on the peripheries and do not reflect the opinions of a majority of Canadians. Social media are amplifying some of those voices, Trudeau added — another point echoed from the discussions and research studied by the task force. Dixon's presentation warned government officials they need to be mindful of how social media may distort data. "The majority of people are not involved in the debate and do not like division, but it is those on social media who are most vocal and it could give disproportionate weight to certain issues."
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Nebakenezzer posted:Gesturing toward a group of pipeline protesters outside the event, Trudeau quipped that none of them was carrying signs promoting messages of compromise — a point he used to highlight that many of the loudest voices are on the peripheries and do not reflect the opinions of a majority of Canadians. you can't compromise with a blue ocean event mr. trudeau
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how do you run for anything in this hell country without being rich
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I want to say that framing the decline of social cohesion as a messaging problem (with maybe some more education thrown in for good measure, because what social problem can't be fixed with schools?) rather than an economic one is peak liberalism but I'm sure they'll find a way to top themselves again soon.
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Suplex Liberace posted:how do you run for anything in this hell country without being rich By being super racist and getting boomers to give you money
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Gonna lol if the balance of power is held by a tenuous Lib/NDP/Green(!) coalition after the election and we gotta go do it again in 6 months because of something Transmountain related.
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Helsing posted:I want to say that framing the decline of social cohesion as a messaging problem (with maybe some more education thrown in for good measure, because what social problem can't be fixed with schools?) rather than an economic one is peak liberalism but I'm sure they'll find a way to top themselves again soon. one of the required courses for my degree was on global trade and the idea of people completely uprooting their lives and trades and moving themselves and their careers to wherever they were needed on a whim was taken as a completely 100% normal, expected, and encouraged outcome of global free trade and not an absolutely insane idea that would rot away the foundation of human society
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but u can long distance video call for cheap! it’s like being there
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https://t.co/EN1qvFLttD Millionaires don't migrate when taxes are raised
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priznat posted:Gonna lol if the balance of power is held by a tenuous Lib/NDP/Green(!) coalition after the election and we gotta go do it again in 6 months because of something Transmountain related. I think there’s maybe like 6 MPs total in the hoc that would vote against a pipeline currently
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DariusLikewise posted:I think there’s maybe like 6 MPs total in the hoc that would vote against a pipeline currently could be enough if things are very close!
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https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/british-columbia/squamish-gondola-falls-1.5242787quote:RCMP say they believe someone deliberately cut the cable of the Sea-to-Sky gondola located along Highway 99 in Squamish, B.C., felling the two-kilometre cable route early Saturday morning. Hey, what's up, this is brett.... And this is cody we're here in squamish for the most epic prank, don't forget to smash that like like button, and please comment and subscribe for more even epic prank. Okay, cody, cut that cable, bro!
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Thread title is terrible imo (not realizing this for the first time, but I figure it could stand to be changed)
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COMPAGNIE TOMMY posted:Thread title is terrible imo (not realizing this for the first time, but I figure it could stand to be changed) Canada SPAM - Minimum 40% Canadian Content
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https://twitter.com/brianlilley/status/1160532117639630848 gently caress these disingenuous dipshits. Running this garbage next to their calls to shut down safe injection sites, suddenly after decades of op-eds decrying spending on social services they want to "address the real problems" because people are threatening to take away their toys.
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There is nothing disingenuous about giving a poo poo about the actual problems that actually contribute to what little gun violence we actually have in Canada. I know you want to own the chuds and the TV keeps telling you that guns are scary, and it's some sort of totemic political goal that you just need to have as a liberal, but you have to get past that sort of tribalism if you want real solutions to real problems.
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Jehde posted:There is nothing disingenuous about giving a poo poo about the actual problems that actually contribute to what little gun violence we actually have in Canada. I know you want to own the chuds and the TV keeps telling you that guns are scary, and it's some sort of totemic political goal that you just need to have as a liberal, but you have to get past that sort of tribalism if you want real solutions to real problems. They do not give a poo poo you daft motherfucker. I know you need to rub yourself raw about gun ownership at every opportunity but the entire point is these are the same loving people who have been vocally opposing "dealing with the real problems" for as long as they've been publishing. Everything they written up until today has been in favour of defunding social programs and giving the police more power to harass and alienate minority communities. I don't give a gently caress about your toys, I'm saying this poo poo coming out of Postmedia is some hot loving garbage. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 16:24 on Aug 11, 2019 |
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I get that you personally are comfortable with turning on a dime to use whatever wokewashed excuse is convenient to defend your hobby, but it's really loving transparent when it's Brian Lilley doing it.
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And I know how much you love to rub yourself raw about how much you hate gun ownership.  There's the socioenomic problems that contribute to general violence on a large scale across the world it's capitalism, and there's the specific problems we have in Canada that specifically contribute to the specifically gun related violence in Canada. Like yeah it's definitely lovely this publication publishes anti safe injection site poo poo, because those are really good at handling the drug problem, but that doesn't invalidate them publishing something seperate about the gun violence problem. Get mad at the anti injection site stuff and get mad at guns all you want, but it seems disingenuous to get mad at someone offering tangible solutions to a tangible problem. It's nice that some people are putting some thought into it beyond "guns are scary". E: Sorry I'm not that familiar with Brian Lilley, are they known as some sort of crypto-fascist or something? Sucks if they have lovely opinions otherwise, but it's nice they're giving voice on a way forward on treating gun violence. Jehde has issued a correction as of 16:45 on Aug 11, 2019 |
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If you don't understand the context of the post you could simply not comment on it, hypothetically. It's not about gun ownership, it's not about gun control reform, it's very specifically and explicitly about the incredible hypocrisy of Postmedia calling for improved compassionate response to social issues when and only when further restrictions on guns are threatened. The fact that they're doing this along side articles about shutting down safe injection sites should be enough context for you to understand the point being made even if you've spent the entirety of your life without being exposed to the odious bullshit they publish. I don't care about your guns. I care that human garbage like Brian Lilley are suddenly crying over the plight of the marginalized because they think someone might want to take away access to guns. He isn't offering anything tangible and his (and The Sun's) opposition to known tangible solutions for the past 30 years belies their intent. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 16:58 on Aug 11, 2019 |
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That's fair, I seen you getting mad about a good article about how to treat gun violence and decrying how they're not going after "toys" like any true progressive would. Didn't realize it was actually about a personal grudge you hold rather than the merit of the content of the article. I understand how you would think it's disingenuous if you've read a lot of this dude's opinions that you disagree with. If Brian Lilley really is Toronto journalism hitler or whatever, he probably doesn't care about the youth that are dragged into gang violence etc insofar as caring about the actual people, like this article isn't his sob story about the troubled youth. It's just a means to an end of combating gun violence. Jehde has issued a correction as of 17:06 on Aug 11, 2019 |
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Guns are stupid and people who own them are mad sus Thank you for coming to my dissertation defense
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Gun people are the worst part about guns. They are the reason I don't go shooting ever anymore. They are the most tribal one issue people in the world, and continually accuse everyone else of being just that. It's mind-numbing. Also that article literally suggests that the solution to the problem is mandatory minimums, tougher sentencing on "gang members", and complete denial of bail for "gang members." This is just vague bullshit that will be used to lock up minorities and make everything worse. Those aren't tangible solutions to a tangible problem. Ban handguns completely, no one has a good reason to own one. Everyone I've ever known that wanted one or had one specifically had it to fulfill some moronic fantasy. They end up on the black market and are the largest source of guncrime. I'd be happy to establish militias or whatever as a compromise.
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Jehde posted:That's fair, I seen you getting mad about a good article about how to treat gun violence and decrying how they're not going after "toys" like any true progressive would. Didn't realize it was actually about a personal grudge you hold rather than the merit of the content of the article. I understand how you would think it's disingenuous if you've read a lot of this dude's opinions that you disagree with. You do not in fact "gotta hand it to them". Virtual Russian posted:Also that article literally suggests that the solution to the problem is mandatory minimums, tougher sentencing on "gang members", and complete denial of bail for "gang members." This is just vague bullshit that will be used to lock up minorities and make everything worse. Those aren't tangible solutions to a tangible problem. Yes, there's also the "tough on crime" angle which has never at any point worked in the past, but I guess we may as well double down on it. infernal machines has issued a correction as of 17:09 on Aug 11, 2019 |
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Jehde posted:That's fair, I seen you getting mad about a good article about how to treat gun violence and decrying how they're not going after "toys" like any true progressive would. Didn't realize it was actually about a personal grudge you hold rather than the merit of the content of the article. I understand how you would think it's disingenuous if you've read a lot of this dude's opinions that you disagree with. You think mandatory minimum sentences and more restrictive parole is a sensible policy for addressing gun violence?
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