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elgarbo
Mar 26, 2013

In September I'll have the joy of talking about and sharing my work with a bunch of Year 10 Private School photography students. One hour to talk poo poo about my own photos and getting paid a sweet $300 to do it. What a dream.

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ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED

Helen Highwater posted:

I did a science of photography workshop for a local photo group. Talking about circles of confusion, Bayer filters and what raw files really are.

Wow, that's a pretty heavy level of technical discussion. Really curious on how you organized it and tried to make it understandable by everyone.

elgarbo posted:

In September I'll have the joy of talking about and sharing my work with a bunch of Year 10 Private School photography students. One hour to talk poo poo about my own photos and getting paid a sweet $300 to do it. What a dream.

That's pretty cool. I've kinda wondered how we might be able to get involved with schools (well, those that have photography classes anyway). We're actually going to be guesting at a pop culture event at a public library that marks the end of their Summer Teen educational program. I'm thinking about talking to the coordinator to see if there's things we can also do during the summer. For instance one of the demos we did at the anime convention was one on light painting and portrait photography. Everyone had a lot of fun with that one and I think something like that might go over well especially with a younger crowd.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer

ReverendHammer posted:

Wow, that's a pretty heavy level of technical discussion. Really curious on how you organized it and tried to make it understandable by everyone.

I didn't go into the maths, I started off by talking about what happens when light goes into the lens and why a larger aperture leads to a narrower depth of field. I used uncooked spaghetti as a visual aid to show how more collimated light leads to a longer depth of field. Then I segued into what focus actually is, and how sharpness is affected by a bunch of things to do with lens design as well as aperture. Then I went moved onto the sensor, why cameras natively see in monochrome and how sensor manufacturers fudge colour rendition with mosaics. This led fairly organically into RAW files and the 0-255 scale in RGB channels. Finished off with talking a little about the digital signal for in-camera processing and why ISO invariance is a thing for some cameras at certain ISO ranges.

GunForumMeme
Apr 22, 2010

Helen Highwater posted:

I didn't go into the maths, I started off by talking about what happens when light goes into the lens and why a larger aperture leads to a narrower depth of field. I used uncooked spaghetti as a visual aid to show how more collimated light leads to a longer depth of field. Then I segued into what focus actually is, and how sharpness is affected by a bunch of things to do with lens design as well as aperture. Then I went moved onto the sensor, why cameras natively see in monochrome and how sensor manufacturers fudge colour rendition with mosaics. This led fairly organically into RAW files and the 0-255 scale in RGB channels. Finished off with talking a little about the digital signal for in-camera processing and why ISO invariance is a thing for some cameras at certain ISO ranges.

I feel like Joey just nodding along and pretending that he knows what everyone is talking about.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


GunForumMeme posted:

I feel like Joey just nodding along and pretending that he knows what everyone is talking about.

that is basically my entire posting strategy

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
The local photographer dude who used a hammer to attach my M42-Eos adapter to his 5Div is back again. He wants me to do second shooter/digital assistant stuff for a shoot he has at the Canadian embassy in town here (he's Canadian).

He wants to do the shoot tethered and he's checking with me to make sure that I have everything I need to assist him. I tell him I have the USB cord that came in the box with my 5Div, but it's pretty short and I can't go shopping for a new one before his shooting date. We discover that he doesn't have one at all.

He says it's fine, he'll see if he can find one in a lighting bag or, if the worst comes to the worst, he'll go and buy one right now.

He asks me what type he needs. I send him a picture of the two ends of the cord (USB-A and USB 3-MicroB). I also know that he also has a 5Div so he can just pop the side open and take a look at the port himself.

We spend a loving hour on Messenger while he' at the mall, going back and forth on the exact type of USB cable. He's sending me pictures of Micro USB and USB-C stuff and asking if its ok. I'm using an older MacBook with no HDMI port so it has to be USB-A or Thunderbolt on the laptop end. He's not going to shoot video or do any bursts so even a USB2 cable is probably going to be fine. I tell him if he can't find a long enough cable with the right combination of USB plugs, he can just buy an extender and use the stock one. I then have to explain what a USB extender is. He's at the mall sending me pictures of 50cm long cables and asking if these are ok. I'm like, No, they are not ok unless you want to shoot with the laptop in one hand and the camera in the other. He finds an 80cm one and asks again. I tell him to find a 3m cable and then get back to me.

I ask him if he's ever shot tethered before and he tells me that he has. Why the gently caress doesn't he know this? Why the gently caress doesn't he already have a cable for it?

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Helen Highwater posted:

The local photographer dude who used a hammer to attach my M42-Eos adapter to his 5Div is back again. He wants me to do second shooter/digital assistant stuff for a shoot he has at the Canadian embassy in town here (he's Canadian).

He wants to do the shoot tethered and he's checking with me to make sure that I have everything I need to assist him. I tell him I have the USB cord that came in the box with my 5Div, but it's pretty short and I can't go shopping for a new one before his shooting date. We discover that he doesn't have one at all.

He says it's fine, he'll see if he can find one in a lighting bag or, if the worst comes to the worst, he'll go and buy one right now.

He asks me what type he needs. I send him a picture of the two ends of the cord (USB-A and USB 3-MicroB). I also know that he also has a 5Div so he can just pop the side open and take a look at the port himself.

We spend a loving hour on Messenger while he' at the mall, going back and forth on the exact type of USB cable. He's sending me pictures of Micro USB and USB-C stuff and asking if its ok. I'm using an older MacBook with no HDMI port so it has to be USB-A or Thunderbolt on the laptop end. He's not going to shoot video or do any bursts so even a USB2 cable is probably going to be fine. I tell him if he can't find a long enough cable with the right combination of USB plugs, he can just buy an extender and use the stock one. I then have to explain what a USB extender is. He's at the mall sending me pictures of 50cm long cables and asking if these are ok. I'm like, No, they are not ok unless you want to shoot with the laptop in one hand and the camera in the other. He finds an 80cm one and asks again. I tell him to find a 3m cable and then get back to me.

I ask him if he's ever shot tethered before and he tells me that he has. Why the gently caress doesn't he know this? Why the gently caress doesn't he already have a cable for it?

Run. Unless the money is fantastic. Run.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


torgeaux posted:

Run. Unless the money is fantastic. Run.

:emptyquote:

spookygonk
Apr 3, 2005
Does not give a damn

torgeaux posted:

Run. Unless the money is fantastic. Run.

I don't think fantastic money would cover it.

alkanphel
Mar 24, 2004

spookygonk posted:

I don't think fantastic money would cover it.

Even a few million?

red19fire
May 26, 2010

torgeaux posted:

Run. Unless the money is fantastic. Run.

Nah. Do it for the stories. Take it from me, author of the goldmined Photo Assistant Horror Stories thread.

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


red19fire posted:

Nah. Do it for the stories. Take it from me, author of the goldmined Photo Assistant Horror Stories thread.

hahahahaha that thread owned

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
We did the walk through. It was us, two Thai ladies who were also bidding for the job, ad the interior designer. The shoots are to showcase new furniture and interior design in the ambassador's residence and the embassy. None of the new furniture or interior design was installed yet, so the interior designer was basically pointing at the old stuff and trying to describe how the new stuff would change (literally everything except supporting walls). The designer had no real idea what he wanted or what was an acceptable number of deliverable images. Also, by the time the shoot actually happens, he'll have gone back to Canada, so won't be able to direct us once the new stuff is actually in place.

There is no way that this can go wrong!

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


lmao this sounds incredibly doomed

torgeaux
Dec 31, 2004
I serve...

Helen Highwater posted:

We did the walk through. It was us, two Thai ladies who were also bidding for the job, ad the interior designer. The shoots are to showcase new furniture and interior design in the ambassador's residence and the embassy. None of the new furniture or interior design was installed yet, so the interior designer was basically pointing at the old stuff and trying to describe how the new stuff would change (literally everything except supporting walls). The designer had no real idea what he wanted or what was an acceptable number of deliverable images. Also, by the time the shoot actually happens, he'll have gone back to Canada, so won't be able to direct us once the new stuff is actually in place.

There is no way that this can go wrong!

I've changed my mind. This is a disaster on every level, so I'm sure I will enjoy the telling. For your mental health, you should stay away. For the good of this forum? Do it man, throw yourself into the maelstrom.

Helen Highwater
Feb 19, 2014

And furthermore
Grimey Drawer
We lost the bid to the Thai ladies so this isn't happening now. Probably for the best to be honest. Sorry for those of you who wanted to hear about crowbarring 5Divs into MacBook Pros or whatever the gently caress awfulness was guaranteed to go down.

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED
I contacted a local small sized anime event to see about possibly having a vendor table to sell prints and whatnot... and they asked me to be the official cosplay photographer for it since their go to couldn't make it. Exploring all possible avenues to get your name out there seems to be working for us.

I must admit I laughed my rear end off when I saw that email come through.

bobmarleysghost
Mar 7, 2006



Don't forget to get paid for it.

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED

bobmarleysghost posted:

Don't forget to get paid for it.

We do get a vendor booth out of it, so that's something. I'm really looking at it more as a networking opportunity. To provide some clarification on what I'll be doing: I'll set up a shooting area to take photos. Now most of the time what I've seen from people who do this at cons is that they'll just set up a white backdrop, one or two lights, and call it a day. Since this won't be as high volume compared to what I see at most weekend cons that does give me more creative leeway. The thought is that I'll set up a gray background so it opens up opportunities for creative lighting, use of gels, etc. That way if an idea comes about we can take a moment to explore it. Plus I'll be shooting tethered with a decent sized monitor so everyone can see what's going on in real time (that went over REALLY well for some demos I did a couple of months back). If people really like what they see even before any editing I can be all like "So you see what we can do within a few minutes... now imagine what could be done with a full session."

Even if it may not convert into session purchases I figure having con/event material that doesn't look like it was shot as such may play into our favor when it comes to getting panels/demos/guest spots elsewhere. And at a minimum it will make a Saturday evening a lot more interesting. :)

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

Con photographers use blank backdrops so they can drop the cosplay in front of prerendered backgrounds, usually.

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

Con photographers use blank backdrops so they can drop the cosplay in front of prerendered backgrounds, usually.

Well that's the thing... there's some around here that don't do that. But then again they are brought in to run booths at cons and tend to be high volume. So it's really almost like school/yearbook pictures in a way. Though I've noticed they never bother to change their lighting setups in any way even including the power. Some of my friends have had pictures taken by these groups and the lights tended to be so bright that anything white would wash into the background.

elgarbo
Mar 26, 2013

elgarbo posted:

In September I'll have the joy of talking about and sharing my work with a bunch of Year 10 Private School photography students. One hour to talk poo poo about my own photos and getting paid a sweet $300 to do it. What a dream.

I did this talk today. Went really well. Showed the kids a whole bunch of my photos and talked them through narrow stuff like composition and technical aspects of the shot, through to broad philosophical approaches to photography. Also passed around my Mamiya C330, which - judging by their reaction - was the weirdest thing they'd ever seen.

Casu Marzu
Oct 20, 2008

Sup dorkroom. Finally got the urge to shoot film again while hiking the north shore of Lake Superior. Apparently the ME Super still advances the counter even if there's no film loaded.

:negative:

Sauer
Sep 13, 2005

Socialize Everything!
RIP.

If the rewind knob doesn't turn when you advance a frame, you got a problem.

Casu Marzu
Oct 20, 2008

Yeah, was busy trying to not fall off cliffs between shots and didn't even think about it.

Oh well, the roll I actually loaded has some great frames hopefully. And there's no way I'm hiking back up there for a redo.

Awkward Davies
Sep 3, 2009
Grimey Drawer

Casu Marzu posted:

Sup dorkroom. Finally got the urge to shoot film again while hiking the north shore of Lake Superior. Apparently the ME Super still advances the counter even if there's no film loaded.

:negative:

I've done this before. Shot a whole loving "roll".

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED

ReverendHammer posted:

I contacted a local small sized anime event to see about possibly having a vendor table to sell prints and whatnot... and they asked me to be the official cosplay photographer for it since their go to couldn't make it. Exploring all possible avenues to get your name out there seems to be working for us.

I must admit I laughed my rear end off when I saw that email come through.

So this event was this past Saturday. While there's some stuff I could have planned better for (like not assuming that my gray muslin would not have a ton of wrinkles even though I steamed and thought I had folded it well enough the day before and decided not to bring my steamer along with me)... I feel like we achieved what we set out to do? When people saw the kinds of images that were coming up on the tethering system they quickly understood how we worked and got excited about it. Also explaining the whys behind something we wanted to do without being overly technical helped as well. But I think we did show that a cosplay photo booth doesn't have to be a white background with even lighting.

https://www.makethemawesome.com/home/2019/10/21/a-first-time-for-everything-running-a-cosplay-photo-booth

DJExile
Jun 28, 2007


ReverendHammer posted:

So this event was this past Saturday. While there's some stuff I could have planned better for (like not assuming that my gray muslin would not have a ton of wrinkles even though I steamed and thought I had folded it well enough the day before and decided not to bring my steamer along with me)... I feel like we achieved what we set out to do? When people saw the kinds of images that were coming up on the tethering system they quickly understood how we worked and got excited about it. Also explaining the whys behind something we wanted to do without being overly technical helped as well. But I think we did show that a cosplay photo booth doesn't have to be a white background with even lighting.

https://www.makethemawesome.com/home/2019/10/21/a-first-time-for-everything-running-a-cosplay-photo-booth

These are good! and yeah I think the wrinkly muslin and uneven lighting helped. There's a certain personality to it

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED

DJExile posted:

These are good! and yeah I think the wrinkly muslin and uneven lighting helped. There's a certain personality to it

Thanks. It was funny that you mention the muslin because when I was going through them it made me start to wonder about backgrounds with texture to them in some way. Sometimes a flat smooth surface is what you need. But there was something about getting a tiny bit of depth out of the background that added something. Just need to figure out how to do it without being really distracting.

Babysitter Super Sleuth
Apr 26, 2012

my posts are as bad the Current Releases review of Gone Girl

I know a few photographers who will use a flash or strobe with some kind of focusing glass with a gobo holder in it to project texture onto a smooth background. Strobogobo has a ready made version for like a hundred bucks but I'm sure there's a DIY guide or ten online.

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED

Babysitter Super Sleuth posted:

I know a few photographers who will use a flash or strobe with some kind of focusing glass with a gobo holder in it to project texture onto a smooth background. Strobogobo has a ready made version for like a hundred bucks but I'm sure there's a DIY guide or ten online.

Yeah, that's stuff I definitely want to explore. I've seen people do neat things with glass blocks and textured plexi as well.

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
Hi, thread. Been a while since I've popped in. Did my first ever senior pictures session a few weeks back. Made a few hundred bucks, got some really valuable experience, and the clients walked away very happy with their images. I've been doing photography as a hobby for just over two years now, and still feel really green, so this was a pretty big deal for me.

Was nervous as gently caress since I don't have much experience with artificial lighting, and this was outdoors, but it went okay. Learned some good lessons for next time.

Kenny Logins
Jan 11, 2011

EVERY MORNING I WAKE UP AND OPEN PALM SLAM A WHITE WHALE INTO THE PEQUOD. IT'S HELL'S HEART AND RIGHT THEN AND THERE I STRIKE AT THEE ALONGSIDE WITH THE MAIN CHARACTER, ISHMAEL.
Way to grift boomers Beep.

https://twitter.com/lydiaburrell/status/1190372017989726208?s=21

President Beep
Apr 30, 2009





i have to have a car because otherwise i cant drive around the country solving mysteries while being doggedly pursued by federal marshals for a crime i did not commit (9/11)
Not that kind of senior, Kenny! The mom’s actually a few years younger than I am (perhaps it is I who is the boomer...)

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED
I was wondering if people here wouldn't mind helping out with something.

My cosplay/cosplay photography team is currently running a research project to try to gain an understanding of what people think is a "good cosplay photo". There's been things we've noticed with photos that have been shared by cosplayers and cosplay photographers that brought up a number of questions for us. But realistically we can't use other people's photos to try to answer those. Thankfully we have another way to get somewhere with this.

We want you to critique our work.

We've set up a survey where you'll be presented with twelve photos. At a minimum you'll be asked to rate each photo on a scale of one to five. But there are also optional questions about what you did and did not like about a pic. We also ask what we should start/stop/continue with our art. We've specifically created this survey to be as simple or as complex as you'd like. We also have a question that asks people if they currently practice any sort of art or not.

And here's the big thing: we're going to share our findings. As far as we know no one in our space has done anything like this and we really want to see what can be determined with this project. And we think what will come out of this will be very interesting for a lot of people.

One bit I do want to stress: we're not going to automatically collect emails and put you on a mailing list or something. We hate that as much as you do. There is an option to enter in an email address but only if 1) you want to be directly notified when we release the results, and 2) if you leave really interesting feedback and we can pick your brain about it. It's the only way your email address will be used.

We crafted this survey to capture info from a wide array of creative people as we thought getting those distinct perspectives was important. And this is the only photography centric group I'm going to post this link to. Mostly because I do like the work people here post and a lot of you have shown you know what the hell you're talking about.

https://www.makethemawesome.com/photosurvey

ExecuDork
Feb 25, 2007

We might be fucked, sir.
Fallen Rib
Today is Review Other People's Stuff Day for me, so this is good. Overall, I like the pictures and what you're doing. And I really like the basic idea of trying to figure out what and why people like or dislike cosplay images.

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED

ExecuDork posted:

Today is Review Other People's Stuff Day for me, so this is good. Overall, I like the pictures and what you're doing. And I really like the basic idea of trying to figure out what and why people like or dislike cosplay images.

Thanks. We know we're certainly not perfect in what we do. But through observing others and what they share (and the reactions they get) we had a bunch of questions come to mind. This whole idea might not be able to answer them all but better for someone take a stab and asking those questions to start a conversation. Much better than people not talking about it and not growing because of it.

huhu
Feb 24, 2006
Whelp. gently caress Disney.

https://petapixel.com/2019/09/03/disney-shutting-down-natgeo-your-shot-website-to-focus-on-instagram/

quote:

The message leaves out some key details: how will submissions even work? Will “expert feedback” be delivered through IG comments? Is this the end of Your Shot assignments? It seems NatGeo was more interested in reminding users that their old images are still going to be used to promote Your Shot than answering any usability questions.

ReverendHammer
Feb 12, 2003

BARTHOLOMEW THEODOSUS IS NOT AMUSED
OK, I have something that our team has tried to understand for months. And at this point we're stumped.

When we see photos we do try to pull them apart to get an understanding of how an image came together. A good chunk of that has been around lighting as we want to learn new things but we also try to figure out post-processing technique. In both of those we try to consider what was their intent in those areas.

But this... this is just something we cannot figure out. What's with this lower contrast/desaturation/"haze" style? Like we get where it could be applied and it would work. But in our space we're seeing it all over the place. The examples I have here are from three different photographers and we have seen it elsewhere. We have also noticed some black cosplayers complain about it because it does mess with their skin tone. I guess we're just trying to figure out why the gently caress is this a thing.



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elgarbo
Mar 26, 2013

It is a thing because people like poo poo photography.

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