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Jim Silly-Balls posted:oh, yeah, what resources are you guys using to build resumes? I had one built a couple years back for far too much money for the results it’s gotten me. I feel like I could make a better one myself but I also imagine there has to be a good template to follow that doesn’t scream “DEFAULTRESUMETEMPLATE.DOCX” I copied MononCqC(?)’s resume format it’s real pretty I also bought his book to say thanks
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KidDynamite posted:I copied MononCqC(?)’s resume format it’s real pretty I also bought his book to say thanks the what now?
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Jim Silly-Balls posted:the what now? https://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3845966&userid=117596&perpage=40&pagenumber=2#post490472500 I used his template as the basis for my resume refresh a few months ago as well. Plus it served as baby’s first LaTeX for me.
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Steve Jorbs posted:Plus it served as baby's first LaTeX for me. I found a latex resume to be so much more efficient when fine tuning multiple applications. Comment items that are less relevant, export to pdf, next. It's probably doable in word but i don't care.
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Aug 10, 2019 18:19
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I am still using modernCV template, but I have that one saved for when I decide to have something less generic.
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Gazpacho posted:In 2013 I got a job by putting my resume/info on dice and making it visible to recruiter searches. I don’t recommend this unless you’re unemployed and desperate, which I was. Also be on guard for ID thieves, don’t give out info that recruiters don’t need, don’t talk to jobspring/workbridge, remember your password so you can turn off access later, etc I also did this, last week, for the same reason. Good point about the security stuff
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Also be on the lookout for recruiters that demand a .doc(x) file. Legit ones will simply cut your info out and put it on their letter head. Shady ones will gladly put things you didn't do on there to meet numbers. I've had ones explicitly ask me to lie about my experience before.
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iospace posted:Also be on the lookout for recruiters that demand a .doc(x) file. Legit ones will simply cut your info out and put it on their letter head. Shady ones will gladly put things you didn't do on there to meet numbers. I've had a recruiter do that to me with a PDF too sadly. Granted there's a higher barrier to entry. Humm maybe I could try one of those programs which convert the text into an image.
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Private Speech posted:I've had a recruiter do that to me with a PDF too sadly. even “good” recruiters will do this in literally every case, it’s a waste of time to even try to fight it
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Private Speech posted:I've had a recruiter do that to me with a PDF too sadly. Don't convert it to an image or it will be dumped by 95% of ATSs out there. If it can't bulk-import your data to be full text searchable, it's going to be kicked out.
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JawnV6 posted:and for your actual doctor's appt if you're going back into the office be sure to dress up. suit & tie I had a former co-worker at my current job do this. We are very relaxed dress code-wise, like if you tucked in a button-up shirt people would ask questions. He started wearing full on pleated slacks, dress shoes, and bowties to work. It was weirdly socially aggressive considering you're working with people who are not even remotely close to that level of business attire. He kept asking us why we wouldn't join him dressing up on "bowtie Tuesdays" When the farewell email came from him it kinda made sense. My best guess was he dressed up for an interview one day and just decided he was over changing his clothes. It was such a strange power move
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aeflux posted:I had a former co-worker at my current job do this. i used to do this poo poo, but employers no longer expect a suit for the interview, so it has stopped being a thing
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I used to do my resumé in html. for recruiters that asked for word format, I would just change the extension to .doc and word would happily display it. one recruiter got upset that I “locked the document” because apparently whatever software he was using to strip the contact info didn’t work with it. I also put a tracking bug in there, which showed me how many times my resume was opened at different companies. these days it’s pdf only.
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The Management posted:I used to do my resumé in html. for recruiters that asked for word format, I would just change the extension to .doc and word would happily display it. one recruiter got upset that I “locked the document” because apparently whatever software he was using to strip the contact info didn’t work with it. I also put a tracking bug in there, which showed me how many times my resume was opened at different companies. i am pdf only my resume is written in latex for historical reasons, and pdf is the easiest output format if a recruiter is so fuckin hellbent on inserting letterhead or whatever, that is on their rear end. they can re-type that poo poo on their own time. it's not up to me
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I would pay good money for someone to take my resume and stuff a tracking pixel in it.
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I feel like venting about a terrible interview I had a few weeks ago. It was a phone interview for an out of state senior developer position. One of the first questions they asked me was "Why are you excited about joining at our team?". I hate questions like these, because it forces you to lie. The real answer is "I'm not. I've only been speaking with you for 45 seconds, why should I be?", but if you say that it'll be a red flag and you'll remain unemployed. What I actually said was something like "Because I'm a Python developer, and your job ad calls for a Python developer". He then said "But why this company, and not any other company?". I then said "No particular reason". The interviewer's response was then "Hmm, I don't know, thats a hard sell". There was then a short moment of silence, and then I just hung up.
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Aug 11, 2019 09:21
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being able to lie about unimportant bullshit is a good job skill to have
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note that the latex Latin Modern font is open source and can be used in any word processor of your choice, depending on how much your target company is cargo culting ~the scientific method~ it can leave people visibly impressed
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jesus WEP posted:being able to lie about unimportant bullshit is a good job skill to have and it's not like you even need to lie, you just need to sound like you don't already hate the job before you've even got it you can easily say "me python developer, you looking for a python developer" while also making it sound like you actually give a poo poo
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Aug 11, 2019 10:49
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Jabor posted:you can easily say "me python developer, you looking for a python developer" while also making it sound like you actually give a poo poo I actually have some problems doing this, but I learned few canned things that seem to work, like "I think I will face challenging problems and will find room for growth" and similar business speak bullshit.
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Asking for docx is red flag also because it means the person doesn't know how to open and edit a PDF file in acrobat.
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MS Word can import PDF files (and does a pretty good job positioning graphics/converting selectable vector text) since Office 2013
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jesus WEP posted:being able to lie about unimportant bullshit is a good job skill to have
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jesus WEP posted:being able to lie about unimportant bullshit is a good job skill to have this is easily the hardest part of interviewing for me some days I can bullshit with a straight face and get away with it, but most of the time i do every single obvious I'm Exaggerating And Possibly Lying Outright [And Feel Bad About It] body expression, voice inflection, etc. in the book
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Jabor posted:and it's not like you even need to lie, you just need to sound like you don't already hate the job before you've even got it I had this experience last week. During the HR phone screen they asked why I wanted to work at x company. I said "x company sounded like a great company to work for." She said "no really why do you want to work here," so I replied "You are looking for a Node.js developer and that's one of my strongest skills." She then immediately asked me when I could come in for an interview with the team. I'm pretty sure that question is making sure that the company's goals for that position and your goals as a candidate line up.
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barkbell posted:I'm pretty sure that question is making sure that the company's goals for that position and your goals as a candidate line up. 9 times out of 10 this is is. But that 10th one is a hell of a  because at best they think they're hot poo poo and at worst it'll be a goddamn cult.Ran into this with Froedtert in Milwaukee. They're really really impressed with theyselfs. From my interactions with them and my discussions with people from FMLH it's fart-sniffing because they're  af.
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barkbell posted:I had this experience last week. During the HR phone screen they asked why I wanted to work at x company. I said "x company sounded like a great company to work for." She said "no really why do you want to work here," so I replied "You are looking for a Node.js developer and that's one of my strongest skills." She then immediately asked me when I could come in for an interview with the team. I'm pretty sure that question is making sure that the company's goals for that position and your goals as a candidate line up. blunt honesty is the only useful response i like to that question "You're looking for a C++ expert; I'm good at C++; and your company seemed solidly-run enough from the outside that I'm willing to try throwing my lot in" (though the exact language on that last bit is tweaked per interview)
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jesus WEP posted:being able to lie about unimportant bullshit is a good job skill to have I would agree with you if we're talking about a salesperson role, or manager or something like that, but not for a programmer. A pathological liar salesperson is probably a great salesperson. A pathological liar manager is a probably a good manager (from the company's perspective), but a pathological liar programmer is probably a terrible programmer. You can bullshit a person, but you can't bullshit a computer. You can't lie to a compiler.
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barkbell posted:I had this experience last week. During the HR phone screen they asked why I wanted to work at x company. I said "x company sounded like a great company to work for." She said "no really why do you want to work here," so I replied "You are looking for a Node.js developer and that's one of my strongest skills." She then immediately asked me when I could come in for an interview with the team. I'm pretty sure that question is making sure that the company's goals for that position and your goals as a candidate line up. What if they followed up with "I see, but why are you excited about working at this specific node.js company over any other node.js company?"
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School of How posted:You can't lie to a compiler. __builtin_expect 😈
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School of How posted:I would agree with you if we're talking about a salesperson role, or manager or something like that, but not for a programmer. A pathological liar salesperson is probably a great salesperson. A pathological liar manager is a probably a good manager (from the company's perspective), but a pathological liar programmer is probably a terrible programmer. You can bullshit a person, but you can't bullshit a computer. You can't lie to a compiler.
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Additionally, a quick check of the company's website / googling can tell you their market, stage & age, and other things you can profess excitement about. "I have always wanted to {know more about/ work in} {industry}, getting to work on software for a business that is {scaling, greenfield, mature, single language, doomed, etc.} and I think growing my skills in that kind of environment would be a great next step. I would also love to learn what you've liked about working there."
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Applied for another job at Amazon I'll never hear back about because I am completely unskilled and as unworthy of gainful employment as I am of love.
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School of How posted:I feel like venting about a terrible interview I had a few weeks ago. It was a phone interview for an out of state senior developer position. One of the first questions they asked me was "Why are you excited about joining at our team?". I hate questions like these, because it forces you to lie. The real answer is "I'm not. I've only been speaking with you for 45 seconds, why should I be?", but if you say that it'll be a red flag and you'll remain unemployed. What I actually said was something like "Because I'm a Python developer, and your job ad calls for a Python developer". He then said "But why this company, and not any other company?". I then said "No particular reason". The interviewer's response was then "Hmm, I don't know, thats a hard sell". There was then a short moment of silence, and then I just hung up. "why do you want to work at xyz corporation?" is a pretty standard interview question, and its to test if you are capable of coming up with a response other than "because i need a fuckin' paycheck, thats why" a lot of job interviewing is about testing your ability to follow dumb unspoken rules of corporate culture, and there are good reasons for that prep harder next time
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2013 lurker rereg posted:Additionally, a quick check of the company's website / googling can tell you their market, stage & age, and other things you can profess excitement about. Thats easier said than done. Some company's websites and job ads are generic as hell. quote:"I have always wanted to {know more about/ work in} {industry}, getting to work on software for a business that is {scaling, greenfield, mature, single language, doomed, etc.} and I think growing my skills in that kind of environment would be a great next step. I would also love to learn what you've liked about working there." What if they followed up with "Why are you excited about working in [industry] over all other industries?" or "Why are you excited about working in {scaling, greenfield, mature, single language, doomed, etc.} over all other situations?". If you're telling the truth those questions are easy to answer. If Google asked me to explain why I'm excited to work at Google, that question would be super easy to answer because I'm actually excited about working there, and no lies are necessary. When you're telling the truth, it's not hard to explain everything in as much detail as possible. When you're lying, you have to invent the details in real time, which is very hard unless you're a pathological liar, which sadly I am not.
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FMguru posted:
I feel like this is code for "get better at lying"
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if you actually cannot think of a single reason you could potentially be interested in the work then you’re going to have a bad time even if they hire you. like if your entire train of thought is “ugh, it’s not like they’re google” then a busted process may not be the main problem here.
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You don't need to be a pathological liar to find something nice to say, and you need not to radiate big depression energy for people to want to hire you or interact with you. Your day to day will involve interacting with other people and you need to be able not to make all those interactions painful. And willingness to grow and change is important, so almost any new job should present some opportunity for you to do that in some way. If you want to do the same thing forever and never learn anything new, it will be tough to find a new job.
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don’t you understand? if I answer a question they might engage me in _conversation_, which I am completely unable to manage due to oversaturation of the market one time I told a person that I liked hiking and she asked me what my favorite trail was. that day still haunts me
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