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brian posted:edit: i guess it's conspiratorial but like only in the literal sense that all premeditated murder is a conspiracy to commit murder Only if more than one person is involved!  Edit: 1991, Robert Maxwell offs himself. We all wish it had been the other newspaper baron.
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Ms Adequate posted:The interpretation of events most charitable to the authorities is that they were unable to bring the most significant criminal defendant of the century to trial and failed catastrophically to properly handle an obviously huge suicide risk. Pretty much this. Whether someone killed him or he killed himself, someone hosed up royally, probably intentionally, leading to his death before the information he contained could get any further out.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:19
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namesake posted:You can tell me was murdered because the really insane conspiracy theorists have come up with something vastly more crazy. Conspiracy theorists are basically hipsters. The moment any given theory starts to gain traction they instantly switch to something crazier. This is how you end up with holograms bringing down the WTC and TFL staging 7/7 to avoid having to pay out for a mechanical failure.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:20
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Julio Cruz posted:apart from Mr Flibble who believes that option A is more likely than option B I believe alien time travelling ninja assassins are more likely than epstein up and killed himself and all the poo poo that allowed him to so was merely coincidence, yes
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Aug 12, 2019 19:25
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supposedly bill barr, the US attorney general who's dad got Epstein his first job after he dropped out of college as a high school teacher, went to visit him in prison 2 weeks ago
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Aug 12, 2019 19:28
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HorseLord posted:It really does not matter if the pedophile died because they coerced him into killing himself and looked the other way while it happened, or if they just went in the cell and did it themselves. Those two scenarios are literally the same thing. lol an actual Stalinist is accusing me of being a bad poster The two scenarios you describe may require similar resources but that doesn’t mean they have the same outcomes - someone willingly killing themselves and someone unwillingly being murdered do tend to look a bit different in terms of injuries to the body or signs of a struggle in the cell. The reason I favour the idea that a guard gave him what he needed for the deed and looked the other way is it’s a lot simpler to buy off a single guard than to suppress an entire high-profile criminal investigation.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:28
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Haha yeah the rich and powerful having a problem person killed off is a nutty conspiracy theory. Yeah. In 2019. Current year 2019 arguement. I said it. Dude everyone around Epsteins cell was probably paid off. Also make sure to watch if any guards turn up dead.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:29
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MrFlibble posted:I believe alien time travelling ninja assassins are more likely than epstein up and killed himself and all the poo poo that allowed him to so was merely coincidence, yes That's literally not what Option B is though, outside of your characterization of it. Option B is that the prison guards were deliberately lax because they were either paid off or just plain don't care if an incredibly vile paedophile offs himself. You're acting like people are arguing he succeeded in an unpromted suicide attempt despite the best and sincere efforts of the prison staff when literally nobody is arguing that outside of liberals on Twitter. goddamnedtwisto posted:Conspiracy theorists are basically hipsters. The moment any given theory starts to gain traction they instantly switch to something crazier. This is how you end up with holograms bringing down the WTC and TFL staging 7/7 to avoid having to pay out for a mechanical failure. That's why when you come across a moon landing doubter you say "Oh huh you're one of those people who believes in the moon? Alright..."
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Aug 12, 2019 19:29
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Ms Adequate posted:That's literally not what Option B is though, My statement here quote:If you think Epsteins death is completely unconnected to his pedophile circle of friends and he committed suicide 100% because of fear about his future/moral panic at what he did then I think you are a moron of a caliber higher than I have words to describe. Is the point I have stuck to. If I am mischaracterising option b in your mind, its because of the guy/gal I was responding to, not me.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:32
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this got posted in the cspam epstein thread and is a great conspiracy lol https://www.salon.com/2002/05/07/students/ [quote]In some cases, the Israelis visited locations not known to the public -- areas without street addresses, for example, or DEA offices not identified as such -- leading authorities to suspect that information had been gathered from prior surveillance or perhaps electronically, from credit cards and other sources. One Israeli was discovered holding banking receipts for substantial sums of money, close to $180,000 in withdrawals and deposits over a two-month period. A number of the Israelis resided for a period of time in Hollywood, Fla. -- the small city where Mohammed Atta and three terrorist comrades lived for a time before Sept. 11. Officials began dealing more aggressively with the "art students." According to one account, some 140 Israeli nationals were detained or arrested between March 2001 and Sept. 11, 2001. According to the INS, the deportations resulted from violations of student visas that forbade the Israelis from working in the United States. (In fact, Salon has established that none of the Israelis were enrolled in the art school most of them claimed to be attending; the other college they claimed to be enrolled in does not exist.) After the Sept. 11 attacks, many more young Israelis -- 60, according to one AP dispatch and other reports -- were detained and deported.[ /quote]
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Aug 12, 2019 19:33
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It's 2019 and Trump is president, India and Pakistan are near open war, the US tried and failed to coup Venezuela, there is a concerted effort to prevent Jeremy Corbyn from becoming prime minister and almost all of the UK press is involved and there has been a massive paedophile ring operated by the elite for decades right under our noses and the only person that could spill the beans just turned up dead. I suppose you think the second Iraq war was based on lies made up by intelligence services. It's 2019 and everything is fine and we cannot, CANNOT hear the endless howling of insanity.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:33
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Regarde Aduck posted:. I suppose you think the second Iraq war was based on lies made up by intelligence services. watch this until the end https://twitter.com/HardDriveMag/status/1160921378763075584?s=20
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Aug 12, 2019 19:35
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MrFlibble posted:If you think Epsteins death is completely unconnected to his pedophile circle of friends and he committed suicide 100% because of fear about his future/moral panic at what he did then I think you are a moron of a caliber higher than I have words to describe. I really don’t know how you can read “it’s likely a guard was paid off to give him the means necessary to kill himself and then look the other way” as something entirely unconnected to his paedophile buddies the reason this doesn’t happen to the vast majority of people on suicide watch is that they generally don’t have hundreds of wealthy powerful people who want them dead in case they decide to spill the beans “his enemies wanted him dead” and “he wanted to kill himself” are not mutually exclusive
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Aug 12, 2019 19:36
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You dismissed what I was talking about as assassins first dickloaf. And he didn't kill himself.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:39
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Guavanaut posted:Wasn't that because of her mob exposé rather than the massive financial crimes nobody cared about? Who would you pay to whack a journalist?
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Aug 12, 2019 19:41
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Conspiracy theorists are basically hipsters. The moment any given theory starts to gain traction they instantly switch to something crazier. This is how you end up with holograms bringing down the WTC and TFL staging 7/7 to avoid having to pay out for a mechanical failure. Some of the 7/7 conspiracy theories start to make sense when you look at all the evidence, like inspectors turning up unannounced and messing around under the trains, or one of the backpack guys having links to security services, but that's mostly because 'all the evidence' includes a bunch of random poo poo like sometimes people do just turn up places and sometimes parts just fail. e: ^^^ Barry George
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Aug 12, 2019 19:42
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MrFlibble posted:You dismissed what I was talking about as assassins first dickloaf. you realise that just repeating “Epstein didn’t kill himself” without any reason or logic doesn’t make it any more true, right
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Aug 12, 2019 19:49
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The problem with the idea of how you give Epstien the means to kill himself is that he then would have to do it. Epstien was a narcissist with a massive amount of money and influence even in the face of his arrest. The last time they arrested him they gave him the lightest sentence for child rape. He got to go home on the weekends and come and go to work, and his work was pimping children. He wasn't going to kill himself.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:50
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Julio Cruz posted:you realise that just repeating “Epstein didn’t kill himself” without any reason or logic doesn’t make it any more true, right You realise that he didn't kill himself?
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Aug 12, 2019 19:50
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Julio Cruz posted:you realise that just repeating “Epstein didn’t kill himself” without any reason or logic doesn’t make it any more true, right you realise parroting the wealthy nonce rings version of events makes you a simpering credulous bootlicker, right?
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Aug 12, 2019 19:51
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Well yes, that's why Trump retweeted their version.
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Aug 12, 2019 19:53
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Julio Cruz posted:I really don’t know how you can read “it’s likely a guard was paid off to give him the means necessary to kill himself and then look the other way” as something entirely unconnected to his paedophile buddies MrFlibble posted:You dismissed what I was talking about as assassins first dickloaf. Him being purposefully allowed/forced/coerced to kill himself and him being offed by somebody else are functionally the same. Maybe you can both stfu cause you're really making GBS threads up the thread.
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^ fair point I’m done with this tinfoiler moron nowMrFlibble posted:you realise parroting the wealthy nonce rings version of events makes you a simpering credulous bootlicker, right? for someone who’s keen to bring up the precedent of the number of previous suicides in a certain prison as justification for your opinion you’re surprisingly eager to ignore the literally hundreds of paedophiles who’ve killed themselves rather than end up in jail hmm maybe they were all killed by their wealthy client list too, makes u think
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Aug 12, 2019 20:00
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Julio Cruz posted:“his enemies wanted him dead” and “he wanted to kill himself” are not mutually exclusive yeah but if you accept the former, why do you need to assume he cooperated? And if it just comes down to the method used to kill him, why does it matter if he did?
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Aug 12, 2019 20:02
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Julio Cruz posted:for someone who’s keen to bring up the precedent of the number of previous suicides in a certain prison as justification for your opinion you’re surprisingly eager to ignore the literally hundreds of paedophiles who’ve killed themselves rather than end up in jail The fact that you think this is a burn has made things clearer to me now. I am also done.
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Aug 12, 2019 20:03
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Narcissism is positively correlated with suicide risk. Long odds, and foul play is plausible, but I would laugh real hard if he offed himself because the entire world found out about his weird egg penis and his plan to become the human genetic baseline.
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Aug 12, 2019 20:06
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Jose posted:this got posted in the cspam epstein thread and is a great conspiracy lol I love this because the actual reason tons of Israelis are deported and denied visas to the US (especially "art students") is because they all go there to work those lovely sales kiosks in malls and earn a ton of money (I know someone who made 100k in 2 years) by aggressively selling 'dead sea salts and mud' to helpless old ladies.
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Aug 12, 2019 20:11
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guys if he was talked into doing it or someone did it to him it doesn't change the fact that a ruling class conspiracy to sexually exploit and/or enslave poor and vulnerable people, especially children, is currently in operation and being protected and facilitated by a network of intelligence agencies, private military contractors, law enforcement and media. i mean that still exists however he actually died. also inmates have said there is nothing in those cells you can use to kill yourself so unless he chewed into his own wrists someone slipped him a weapon or noose or whatever.
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Aug 12, 2019 20:11
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Whatever happened, the line that is most useful to the international pedo cabal is that he was killed but there's absolutely no way to prove it, keep both the suicide and targetted killing theories going. That sows fear into the minds of any witness or survivor considering testifying that if they can do it to a well connected billionaire in a solitary cell and get away with it then they can do it to you too.
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Aug 12, 2019 20:14
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Guavanaut posted:Whatever happened, the line that is most useful to the international pedo cabal is that he was killed but there's absolutely no way to prove it, keep both the suicide and targetted killing theories going. i was thinking the same thing, can you imagine how terrified and isolated they must feel right now
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Aug 12, 2019 20:15
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gh0stpinballa posted:guys if he was talked into doing it or someone did it to him it doesn't change the fact that a ruling class conspiracy to sexually exploit and/or enslave poor and vulnerable people, especially children, is currently in operation and being protected and facilitated by a network of intelligence agencies, private military contractors, law enforcement and media. i mean that still exists however he actually died.
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Aug 12, 2019 20:16
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Miftan posted:I love this because the actual reason tons of Israelis are deported and denied visas to the US (especially "art students") is because they all go there to work those lovely sales kiosks in malls and earn a ton of money (I know someone who made 100k in 2 years) by aggressively selling 'dead sea salts and mud' to helpless old ladies. lol but if you read the article it was definitely way more than that. They doorstepped tons of DEA agents
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Aug 12, 2019 20:17
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I killed jeffrey epstein with a surgical online own
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Aug 12, 2019 20:19
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gh0stpinballa posted:guys if he was talked into doing it or someone did it to him it doesn't change the fact that a ruling class conspiracy to sexually exploit and/or enslave poor and vulnerable people, especially children, is currently in operation and being protected and facilitated by a network of intelligence agencies, private military contractors, law enforcement and media. i mean that still exists however he actually died. its pretty much the same as these except way more ridiculous because of his first arrest https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Family_Murders https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marc_Dutroux
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Aug 12, 2019 20:20
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Epstein was killed by 30-50 wild hogs and he lacked an AR15 to defend himself.
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Aug 12, 2019 20:21
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The Deleter posted:Epstein was killed by 30-50 wild hogs and he lacked an AR15 to defend himself. this mental image gets even funnier if you assume by "hogs" that guy was talking about a bunch of huge swinging dongers
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Aug 12, 2019 20:22
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now he's dead they should show us all his egg shaped dick
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Aug 12, 2019 20:23
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Jose posted:its pretty much the same as these except way more ridiculous because of his first arrest yep, no way you can know about that stuff and think this is just a lone paedophile with some powerful friends. what i'm realising, perhaps later than everyone else, is that the more the connections sprawl, the clearer it becomes that epstein is actually the least important figure in the epstein scandal.
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Tesseraction posted:this mental image gets even funnier if you assume by "hogs" that guy was talking about a bunch of huge swinging dongers Beaten to death by penises. An ironic fate. Jose posted:now he's dead they should show us all his egg shaped dick Post it all the way to the loving islands. Let everyone know about his secret egg dick.
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Jose posted:lol but if you read the article it was definitely way more than that. They doorstepped tons of DEA agents lol the University of Jerusalem definitely exists it's just called The Hebrew University. Most of it still sounds like the sales thing I know except someone bought a painting and now everyone goes to the same place to try and sell them. Like, I'm willing to believe it's actually a mossad thing piggybacking off the actual salespeople but  . I'm pretty sure the IDF doesn't send people to do overseas espionage and it said some of them were in the army as if that means anything. It doesn't make any sense other than they are draft dodgers or on vacation (and overseas leave is VERY hard to get). Oh the israelis lived in Fort Lauderdale? I wonder if that place is known for anything else? Like, again, this COULD be mossad, but it sounds super standard from everything I can tell.e okay I read further it does sound like Israeli intelligence was piggybacking on the art thing which is very funny
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