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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've not heard that explanation, but the rather more sensible one that a) even well-trained sniffer dogs give false-positives all the time, b) they're actually trained to find bodies in an advanced state of decomposition and c) that the body - if it had been in there at all - would have been fresh and only in there for a short amount of time, so it would have been extremely unlikely there'd have been any scent for them to detect.
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Guavanaut posted:I'm sure you could train a dog to sniff that godawful sweet acetone and candy floss smell of fresh death, but idk if that's what corpse dogs are trained for. Nah, they're for recovering buried bodies. Just to correct my earlier post though, I got confused about where they used the corpse dog (it was on the rental car the McCanns were using considerably *after* the disappearance) so it's possible there would have been a scent for it to hit on, but even that's not a guarantee of anything because like I say they give false-positives all the time which is why they don't just throw you straight in jail when the dog at the airport takes an interest in your luggage.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:I've not heard that explanation, but the rather more sensible one that a) even well-trained sniffer dogs give false-positives all the time, b) they're actually trained to find bodies in an advanced state of decomposition and c) that the body - if it had been in there at all - would have been fresh and only in there for a short amount of time, so it would have been extremely unlikely there'd have been any scent for them to detect. it's fishy (or corpsey). Sniffer dogs find traces of corpse behind the sofa, in the wardrobe, on Kate's clothes (but it could have been because she worked as a doctor, according to "a source close to the McCanns"), in the McCann's car (ed: 2 different dogs on consecutive days); DNA samples from the car show what might be Madeleine's DNA but also might not be because it's a low-resolution test. Not exactly enough to convict on, though ed2: also I remember disliking the parents on the news, thinking their body language was all kinds of hosed up, so I'm definitely biased This is my one non-Epstein conspiracy theory, please don't take it from me 
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baka kaba posted:Recognising where you are is an important step though! That's the thing about this stuff, it clouds your perceptions, and being able to see that is what gives you the ability to do something about it. So yeah don't be ashamed of seeing this or having a strong emotional reaction to it Yeah I'm sure as gently caress having a strong reaction to it. I've got to hold things together for a little bit as it is my brothers wedding this weekend, but I am going to see if I can get a few days off work to just really give myself some time to start changing things. OwlFancier posted:That some people get rewarded a lot more than others has very little bearing on their actual contribution to society. In fact I would suggest that what relation it does have tracks inversely. The more wealthy you are, the more you are taking away from everyone else, on average. It's more that I have a loving family, a good home life and everything before me and I've just never appreciated it. Now I feel as if I should have done more with what I am. Been more and done more, had something Anything as a goal. Same, but we'll wait and see on that. thespaceinvader posted:FWIW this is very similar to what my brain is currently doing and it sucks and it's hard to see where 'out' is. I hope we both do. Keep safe pal.
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Jose posted:this has even worse replies than his usual tweets Christ he looks like if Colonal Sanders and Yosemite Sam had their DNA spliced with a particularly empty serial killer.
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Gonzo McFee posted:Christ he looks like if Colonal Sanders and Yosemite Sam had their DNA spliced with a particularly empty serial killer. the chickenhawk's holocaust
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Josef bugman posted:Yeah I'm sure as gently caress having a strong reaction to it. I've got to hold things together for a little bit as it is my brothers wedding this weekend, but I am going to see if I can get a few days off work to just really give myself some time to start changing things. I feel like the reaction is sort of a recognition, right? Like something important's clicked, which isn't to say things are easier, but it gives you a path forward at least. it's like going from "it's dark" to "hey I'm a goon in a well!" and understanding why you feel the way you do gives you an explanation for things - like it's not your fault if you don't "appreciate" your life, because you've got these complications to deal with. and if it's stuff you've never been aware of, then it's basically been a filter on your life that alters your perception of everything to make it harder to appreciate. like that joke, y'know, fish 1: how's the water today, fish 2: what's water? You can't beat yourself up over something that isn't your fault, all you can do is go forward dismantling that filter and making the best of everything, which is totally the Josef brand but yeah, look after yourself buddy - get the uh niece/nephew (the lego fan) on the dancefloor, always a big hit at weddings! baka kaba fucked around with this message at 23:14 on Aug 12, 2019 |
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saw this doc on BBC4 and thought it’d be appreciated by this thread. for the crossing streams of politics & culture https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m000777d/everybody-in-the-place-an-incomplete-history-of-britain-19841992 quote:Acid house is often portrayed as a movement that came out of the blue, inspired by little more than a handful of London-based DJs discovering ecstasy on a 1987 holiday to Ibiza. In truth, the explosion of acid house and rave in the UK was a reaction to a much wider and deeper set of fault lines in British culture, stretching from the heart of the city to the furthest reaches of the countryside, cutting across previously impregnable boundaries of class, identity and geography. they’ve done a bang up job finding their archive footage. I wish it’d had been part one of a series, as it frustratingly just touches on the surface of a lot and he doesn’t get a chance to really delve in.
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forkboy84 posted:Ah good to see acid house getting the punk rock treatment of hagiography from old talking heads on BBC4 about how it changed everything despite it being niche at the time this, but unironically. the phrase “more punk than punk rock ever was” may crop up halfway through the lesson
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Josef bugman posted:I should have done more with what I am. Been more and done more, had something Anything as a goal. Lol yeah I absolutely should. But at the same time so what? Its all done now anyway. Now on, one step at a time, theres plenty left.
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CGI Stardust posted:the thing that really fucks me up is that the corpse-sniffing dogs found corpse traces in the car her parents had hired CGI Stardust posted:Sniffer dogs find traces of corpse behind the sofa, in the wardrobe, on Kate's clothes I don't want the thread to have two tedious back and forths about maybe murders (and I know next to bugger all about the details of either case so I'm in no position to do that even if I did), but this kind of verbal slippage to certainty is legit fascinating to me. Just to be really, really clear, a sniffer dog indicating something is not the same thing as discovering traces of whatever they're trained to find. Which I get is cumbersome to mention and so on (and most people here probably realise it anyway), but that rhetorical staking out of certainty where none exists is problematic. I dunno, I just thought it echoed some of the things people have been posting about epstein, where certainty about events seems to come pretty easily. Maybe it's just super pedantic, but there's a difference between highlighting all the poo poo that could be dodgy and questioning official narrative, and saying he was murdered and you're an idiot if you don't believe that. One is much more interesting (and useful) than the other I think
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No one's here to be useful, pal. forums.somethinguseful.com
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Niric posted:I don't want the thread to have two tedious back and forths about maybe murders (and I know next to bugger all about the details of either case so I'm in no position to do that even if I did), but this kind of verbal slippage to certainty is legit fascinating to me. Just to be really, really clear, a sniffer dog indicating something is not the same thing as discovering traces of whatever they're trained to find. Which I get is cumbersome to mention and so on (and most people here probably realise it anyway), but that rhetorical staking out of certainty where none exists is problematic. yeah, absolutely, it's a fair point and rationally i am well aware of this! having said that, "rhetorical staking out of certainty where none exists" is conspiracy theories; it wouldn't be a conspiracy theory if it were already proven and hence no fun. we're never going to know the actual answer to what happened, it's an article of faith in an era where faith is increasingly difficult to come by  wait, sorry, that's the David Kelly emoticon, my bad
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Niric posted:I don't want the thread to have two tedious back and forths about maybe murders (and I know next to bugger all about the details of either case so I'm in no position to do that even if I did), but this kind of verbal slippage to certainty is legit fascinating to me. Just to be really, really clear, a sniffer dog indicating something is not the same thing as discovering traces of whatever they're trained to find. Which I get is cumbersome to mention and so on (and most people here probably realise it anyway), but that rhetorical staking out of certainty where none exists is problematic. but its important to remember that this only applies to people saying he was definitely murdered, all the people and media outlets saying it was definitely suicide are just being Sensible
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NotJustANumber99 posted:No one's here to be useful, pal. forums.somethinguseful.com tbf you're literally the worst person to make this post
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Josef bugman posted:It's more that I have a loving family, a good home life and everything before me and I've just never appreciated it. Now I feel as if I should have done more with what I am. Been more and done more, had something Anything as a goal. Same here. Thing is I don't think i'd be here if I didn't have a loving family which I was able to use as an anchor while my brain broke in my late teens and throughout my twenties. I've certainly not helped. I've wallowed for far too long but mental illness isn't easy. But yeah, without the help i've received i'd be homeless and most likely dead. So that's one thing I don't really feel guilty about.
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gh0stpinballa posted:centrist/piss diamond/FBPE types' increasingly overt glibness wrt fascism, authoritarianism, anti-democratic wish fulfilment is creeping me out more and more ngl Reminder that they did some polling fairly recently and the left is most supportive of democracy in principle, the right is second-most supportive, and in a very VERY distant third is centrists, who are by far the most ready to say "Nah yeah actually a strongman would be great" and presumably go try to figure out how to make France Sweetman the Lady Protector or something. My own pet theory is that it stems from the ideological underpinnings of various political movements and the explanations derived, to show why people vote for the other side. On the left, we have abundant theories to explain why people who would benefit from a left-wing government might never vote for one, to do with media, socialization, false consciousness, and so on. On the right, they have abundant theories to explain why people don't always vote for a right-wing government, whether those explanations are because 'greedy scroungers' or 'foreigners taking advantage' or 'cultural marxism'; the explanations might be both bad and incorrect, but they do exist. The point of these is that it always leaves open the theoretical possibility for convincing people you're right and they should vote for you, because you can identify why they don't and thus propose remedies. The center, however, has nothing of the sort. They assume themselves to be the post-history post-politics Very Sensible Grown Ups, and they fundamentally do not have any significant explanations for people voting 'wrong', whether that's wanting Chairman McDonnell to purge the landlords or voting for populist things like Trump and Brexit. They can't see how shite things have been for a lot of people so they can't even get as far as saying "Things are bad and it drives people to unsensible extremes" because as far as they can tell everything was perfect in 2012 and everyone's just gone mad since. No explanations for why people vote wrong = no hope of making them vote 'right' = well gently caress it what good is democracy then?
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Ms Adequate posted:The center, however, has nothing of the sort. Yeah this nails it. This is why the 'remoaners' have the narrative of "people who voted for Brexit are idiots, if we re-rerun the referendum they'll vote the right way", without any actual useful insight into any of the underlying social issues which made people want to vote for what was essentially the "gently caress all this poo poo" option.
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Josef bugman posted:It's more that I have a loving family, a good home life and everything before me and I've just never appreciated it. Now I feel as if I should have done more with what I am. Been more and done more, had something Anything as a goal. People adapt to their circumstances, and you aren't born with the ability to be happy either. What you are isn't just the good circumstances around you, it's also the circumstances that make you unhappy regardless. It's good to be happy if you can but not managing it I don't think is, or should be, a cause for beating yourself up. Again you live in a world that is designed to gently caress you up so that you fill the space with consumption, it's not your fault that it works.
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WhatEvil posted:Yeah this nails it. This is why the 'remoaners' have the narrative of "people who voted for Brexit are idiots, if we re-rerun the referendum they'll vote the right way", without any actual useful insight into any of the underlying social issues which made people want to vote for what was essentially the "gently caress all this poo poo" option. Here's a long (and unduely sympathetic) article about the FBPE'rs: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/aug/13/brexit-remain-radicalisation-fbpe-peoples-vote quote:Remainists tend to put their faith not in politicians, but in bureaucrats and civil servants. But they make an exception for those MPs, such as Dominic Grieve or Yvette Cooper (even though she doesn’t back a second referendum), who are willing to rebel against the party leadership or reach out to the opposite benches. Remainists wish these kinds of “grownups” – seemingly responsible, competent people, capable of putting the national interest above ambition and petty rivalries – could clean up the mess. This is a vision, however fanciful, of politics without politicking. Once the grownups come to the rescue, it suggests, the rest of us can retreat, safe in the knowledge that everything is under control.
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E; ^^^ double lmao that he did it in trad games and not like, herePistol_Pete posted:Here's a long (and unduely sympathetic) article about the FBPE'rs: It was a little gentle on them but honestly I would have expected far worse from the Graun, this is certainly short of the outright hagiography I would usually expect them to put out. I felt it painted them as fairly quixotic, but it at least gave a mention to leftist criticism of fubpees as ignoring other issues. And it mentioned that they're mad at Corbyn, but it didn't make it a focus or join in.
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Ms Adequate posted:Reminder that they did some polling fairly recently and the left is most supportive of democracy in principle, the right is second-most supportive, and in a very VERY distant third is centrists, who are by far the most ready to say "Nah yeah actually a strongman would be great" and presumably go try to figure out how to make France Sweetman the Lady Protector or something. It's questions like that which make it understandable (but wrongheaded) why centrists of old might look at the huddled masses yearning to breathe free but also being a bit volkish and say "this is scary, what if we just went back to kings", or the centrists of less old saying "this is scary, what if we just let the market sort it out." Rarity posted:Lol at Regarde Aduck getting banned for defending a racism  What the hell prompted that? Other than, like, racism.
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Was it really defending racism? Looks more like he was going for a "punch a nazi" joke. Or possibly a bad taste "nazis punch people" one. Based on the fact that he had antifascist posts in that same thread. e: Anyway apparently some gaming companies refuse to process payments from people with "asian-sounding names", which yes, is racist as gently caress, but it was really ancillary to that. Private Speech fucked around with this message at 08:34 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Pistol_Pete posted:Here's a long (and unduely sympathetic) article about the FBPE'rs: I found it quiet damming of them, haveing read it with my ukmt glasses on. It highlights, in their own words, what others have said here that the troubles of others mean nought to them, only that they will be slightly inconvenienced by brexit. The utterly lack a positive vision of Europe for leavers to buy into. The only person who has managed that is majid majid, but his face doesn't fit into the fbpe crowd. I don't like using the phrase sheep but that is what they are, sheep waiting to be herded.
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Rarity posted:Everyone always ignores the Russian winter The unsung hero of so many wars.
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https://twitter.com/UniteunionNI/status/1160900428554539013?s=19 Not sure if they would win a seat but will definately make Belfast East a lot more competitive come next election, the DUP have largely fumbled the ground game on this and Alliance increases at the last locals already made this seat a bit more interesting Not sure how many votes they will away in North Belfast which remains a knife edge SF/DUP battleground where "keep themmuns out" remains the strongest campaigning issue
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The bouncing bomb didn't invent itself.
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notaspy posted:I don't like using the phrase sheep but that is what they are, sheep waiting to be herded. Fubpees operate like a cult does- they drown each other in support and love but any deviation from the faith (corbyn bad, all things were fine under neoliberalism, thou shalt not bear witness to any political activity but brexit) leads to immediate shunning. Bit like what we do with monster munch but with politics (or rather, lack thereof)
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Private Speech posted:e: Anyway apparently some gaming companies refuse to process payments from people with "asian-sounding names", which yes, is racist as gently caress, but it was really ancillary to that. I mean, specifically, Eve Online which is dominated by our offspring Goonswarm and some of us itt have played in the past. And yes, Chinese gold farmers were definitely a thing back in the way, though that wasnt credit card fraud so much as botting.
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Junior G-man posted:Today's trip: from Monmouth to Pandy(ish). Left the Wye behind for a stupidly pretty walk through the Welsh hills and farmland. Your access right are amazing and you should cherish them always. In England and Wales at least, we've only had them for like 10 years.
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