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Doctor_Fruitbat posted:Friends, family, socialising, art and culture in all its many and varied forms, philosophy, science, nature. People can devote entire lifetimes to cultivating these or growing them as a personal skill, with no expectation of changing the world. Do these mean literally nothing to you? Go and get a hobby, god loving drat. My family is a bunch of control freaks who treat me like a child and have highly regressive opinions, all my friends have moved away and I can't seem to make new ones since apparently they consider when I do talk about art, philosophy or even just films in a level deeper than superficial they get intimidated and prefer to talk about freaking CrossFit or whatever and all my conduits for art, philosophy and science are technological in nature. If that all goes away on the climate apocalypse, I will have nothing and be the first target for not being a part of whatever tribes pop up.
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I'm so glad we have OwlFancier to go off because I can't afford to spend more time doing it, but holy gently caress AceOfFlames, go away and get mental help. Get a hobby. Those fuckers doing CrossFit? You're not better than them.
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My big brain intimidates all the chads when I talk about anything not superficial why do I have no friends?
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Not trying to be snide, but exercise might actually help AceofFlames.
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Also I really have to question why they think the only two options with regards to technology and advancement are a) current state where inhuman tech billionaires pick and choose where the resources go or b) the first ten turns of Civ 6.
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The Deleter posted:Also I really have to question why they think the only two options with regards to technology and advancement are a) current state where inhuman tech billionaires pick and choose where the resources go or b) the first ten turns of Civ 6. Capitalism friend. Raised by Capitalism, brain by Capitalism.
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AceOfFlames posted:My family is a bunch of control freaks who treat me like a child and have highly regressive opinions, all my friends have moved away and I can't seem to make new ones since apparently they consider when I do talk about art, philosophy or even just films in a level deeper than superficial they get intimidated and prefer to talk about freaking CrossFit or whatever and all my conduits for art, philosophy and science are technological in nature. If that all goes away on the climate apocalypse, I will have nothing and be the first target for not being a part of whatever tribes pop up. *values new phones more than people* *gets confused why nobody likes them*
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Aug 13, 2019 15:53
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AceOfFlames posted:My family is a bunch of control freaks who treat me like a child and have highly regressive opinions, all my friends have moved away and I can't seem to make new ones since apparently they consider when I do talk about art, philosophy or even just films in a level deeper than superficial they get intimidated and prefer to talk about freaking CrossFit or whatever and all my conduits for art, philosophy and science are technological in nature. If that all goes away on the climate apocalypse, I will have nothing and be the first target for not being a part of whatever tribes pop up. Maybe they aren't intimidated and just think you are boring? Source: your posts. I'm not intimidated by you posting about technology or philosophy, I just think you're not as smart as you think you are. Which is pretty boring. Really.
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"Stemlord" just makes me think of no sticks no seeds
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Have you considered that what people might want you to be interested in is them? Who they are, what they think, how their day was? People are not simply tools for you to use, they're the same as you, all the complicated things in your head are also in theirs, and if you aren't interested in them as people, they will not be very interested in you. Socializing is about giving up bits of yourself, your time, your wants, your preferences, in order that other people can share parts of themselves, that's how connections form.
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Oh hey UKMT, reminder that there’s a meeting for the podcast again this Thursday at 8pm, looking forward to see- *reads thread* 
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The Deleter posted:Also I really have to question why they think the only two options with regards to technology and advancement are a) current state where inhuman tech billionaires pick and choose where the resources go or b) the first ten turns of Civ 6. It's because they've not the imagination to see anything that's not been tried.
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OwlFancier posted:Thinking technology has the potential to be useful to humans is not remotely the same thing as "we must always be 'progressing'" because that is the mindset of capitalism. No we mustn't always progress, technological and productive progress without a social foundation is exactly what got us where we are today. A perfectly static world is infinitely preferable to one where everyone gets killed by dickheads shouting PROGRESS as they wipe out most of the earth's biosphere and population. (Although, I suppose in the pessimist tradition you could get a perfectly static world without inequality if you stopped having new people, but that's a very different argument.) None of this means that we can't guillotine tech billionaires though. Or billionaires in general. AceOfFlames posted:Maybe if we get to Trek levels of technology sure but come on, wouldn't living in freaking neo tribalism forever and only thinking of your own survival just get boring? Heck, even if you fixed health care, inequality, fake news and fascism today (which would be fantastic and better than corporate dystopia) wouldn't you get bored if Facebook were still the same 40 years from now? What would you even do in the mean time? Drone_Fragger posted:Conservative party introducing ULTRA PORN, for 75 year olds only because it’s that filthy they need another age limit on it: 
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OwlFancier posted:Have you considered that what people might want you to be interested in is them? Who they are, what they think, how their day was? People are not simply tools for you to use, they're the same as you, all the complicated things in your head are also in theirs, and if you aren't interested in them as people, they will not be very interested in you. Pretty cruel of you to try and encourage Flames to socialise. Have some empathy for the people he might try to socialise with.
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OwlFancier posted:Have you considered that what people might want you to be interested in is them? Who they are, what they think, how their day was? People are not simply tools for you to use, they're the same as you, all the complicated things in your head are also in theirs, and if you aren't interested in them as people, they will not be very interested in you. But they don't even do that. I ask "How was your weekend" and most of the time they say "Good" or "Nothing special". The rare times I see them upset I ask "Is everything OK", they say "Yes" and don't elaborate. Maybe I'm just incredibly unlucky. But I try. I just don't understand.
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Drone_Fragger posted:Calling someone a stemlord is a hate crime, prove me wrong
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AceOfFlames posted:But they don't even do that. I ask "How was your weekend" and most of the time they say "Good" or "Nothing special". The rare times I see them upset I ask "Is everything OK", they say "Yes" and don't elaborate. Maybe I'm just incredibly unlucky. But I try. Have you considered why people might not feel comfortable opening up to you?
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AceOfFlames posted:But they don't even do that. I ask "How was your weekend" and most of the time they say "Good" or "Nothing special". The rare times I see them upset I ask "Is everything OK", they say "Yes" and don't elaborate. Maybe I'm just incredibly unlucky. But I try. I just don't understand. get some calipers and start measuring your/their heads
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A Buttery Pastry posted:STEM rights today are where LGTB rights were in the 90's.
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forkboy84 posted:Have you considered why people might not feel comfortable opening up to you? This might come as a shock but I don't act the same way IRL as I do here. I would LOVE to know the answer to that question. My mom says that I have resting bitch face and I don't have the most cheery disposition but you'd think at the very least people would be concerned instead of standoffish.
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ive never seen big bang theory but are the white male scientists in it sex pests cause if not then its not really very accurate
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Despite his lack of self insight, AceOfFlames seems to be in a rough spot and maybe lay off the dogpile? Everyone is usually so accepting, itt, of people with various mental ailements and yet because he's being non-compliant, which I admit isn't helpful, it appears the knives are out.
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bump_fn posted:ive never seen big bang theory but are the white male scientists in it sex pests cause if not then its not really very accurate is this you admitting you're a sex pest?
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forkboy84 posted:Have you considered why people might not feel comfortable opening up to you? Guavanaut posted:The Big Bang Theory does have a lot in common with 90's TV depictions of LGBT people, but only because both are painfully unfunny.
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Guavanaut posted:A perfectly static world sounds like the end of history or something, the material conditions of the masses won't allow for a perfectly static world, because a perfectly static world with inequalities is injustice justified, and a perfectly static world without inequalities is neither possible nor, I'd argue, desirable, because there will always be new movements, new conditions, new art, and new people. Of course, my idea of a static world is probably some kind of mostly agrarian society without rulers, not necessarily one that doesn't have technology but which probably doesn't have a lot of the things we have today, like mass use of aircraft, ships, cars etc, no global economy, because it's somehow managed to create a durable disinterest in them, belieiving that they just do more harm than good, that they demand more of people than they give. And clearly that wouldn't actually be "static" as such because as you say, things change, but certainly I think it would be much slower and generally not interested in just making all the numbers go up, more speed, more power, more money etc. More concerned with ensuring that people have good housing, secure food supplies, health, peace and most importantly, time. And I would hope that those ideas could endure as long as possible, through at least some changes. Nothing lasts forever, naturally, but some things I hope would last longer than others. And technology is certainly important in those respects but so much of what we have now is just loving pointless, it's either just to make some dickhead more money or it's to fill a hole made by some other dickhead in search of money. I don't mourn the loss of things that don't need to exist in the first place. OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 16:10 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Regarde Aduck posted:Despite his lack of self insight, AceOfFlames seems to be in a rough spot and maybe lay off the dogpile? Everyone is usually so accepting, itt, of people with various mental ailements and yet because he's being non-compliant, which I admit isn't helpful, it appears the knives are out. The thing about AoF is, he'll do this every couple months, the thread will tell him to go get therapy because he clearly needs it, he proceeds to ignore that advice, and continues posting like an idiot, eventually till he gets tired of being told to gently caress off.
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lol https://twitter.com/badwithcolour/status/1161269334397915136?s=20
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Regarde Aduck posted:Despite his lack of self insight, AceOfFlames seems to be in a rough spot and maybe lay off the dogpile? Everyone is usually so accepting, itt, of people with various mental ailements and yet because he's being non-compliant, which I admit isn't helpful, it appears the knives are out. being a prick is not a "mental ailment" hth maybe your time would be better spent insulting Asians than whiteknighting this fool
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Regarde Aduck posted:Despite his lack of self insight, AceOfFlames seems to be in a rough spot and maybe lay off the dogpile? Everyone is usually so accepting, itt, of people with various mental ailements and yet because he's being non-compliant, which I admit isn't helpful, it appears the knives are out. Care to explain this post? Regarde Aduck posted:I'll profile my fist into your balls you moon faced bastard
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AceOfFlames posted:This might come as a shock but I don't act the same way IRL as I do here. I would LOVE to know the answer to that question. My mom says that I have resting bitch face and I don't have the most cheery disposition but you'd think at the very least people would be concerned instead of standoffish. I wasn't being ironic. Self-reflection is useful. If you don't listen and seem interested when someone talks about relatively light and banal poo poo they might not feel they can or want to trust you with realer poo poo.
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OwlFancier posted:Of course, my idea of a static world is probably some kind of mostly agrarian society without rulers, not necessarily one that doesn't have technology but which probably doesn't have a lot of the things we have today, like mass use of aircraft, ships, cars etc, no global economy, because it's somehow managed to create a durable disinterest in them, belieiving that they just do more harm than good, that they demand more of people than they give. Genuine question: how can you have time in a "mostly agrarian society"? Isn't farming some of the most intensive labor imaginable? There's a reason why one of my biggest nightmares about the future is the beginning of Interstellar and that is essentially mankind's BEST case scenario at this point.
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AceOfFlames posted:But they don't even do that. I ask "How was your weekend" and most of the time they say "Good" or "Nothing special". The rare times I see them upset I ask "Is everything OK", they say "Yes" and don't elaborate. Maybe I'm just incredibly unlucky. But I try. I just don't understand. I think it's good to start with small steps in building up your conversational repertoire - don't dive straight in to trying to counsel people in crisis before you've got down the basics of a friendly dialogue. "How was your weekend?" is a great opener, and they're giving the polite stock response. If you want to take it further, you could try "Get up to anything much?" They should then either say something like "nah, just the usual", indicating they don't want to continue the conversation, or tell you what they did at the weekend. Try to show interest even if their activities seem pointless or tedious to you. If you're feeling confident you can ask a few followup questions relating specifically to the information they've already given. Try to make these questions open, encouraging further elaboration, rather than things answered with a simple yes or no. In time people may start asking how your weekend was too, but I don't want to get on to such advanced topics in this first lesson.
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AceOfFlames posted:Genuine question: how can you have time in a "mostly agrarian society"? Isn't farming some of the most intensive labor imaginable? How many people alive today work in farming? And how many people are fed by that labour? Even with how much of it is wasted producing inefficient foods. If you took people off of the billions of pointless jobs and shared their time out between things that actually need doing, everyone could have a lot more time.
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Regarde Aduck posted:Despite his lack of self insight, AceOfFlames seems to be in a rough spot and maybe lay off the dogpile? Everyone is usually so accepting, itt, of people with various mental ailements and yet because he's being non-compliant, which I admit isn't helpful, it appears the knives are out.
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OwlFancier posted:How many people alive today work in farming? And how many people are fed by that labour? Even with how much of it is wasted producing inefficient foods. But farming as it exists today is because of a huge number of technological advancements that, shocker, are destroying the so and the environment. Going into a completely sustainable agrarian society would essentially go back to the late 19th century where over half of the population works directly in agriculture. mehall posted:The thing about AoF is, he'll do this every couple months, the thread will tell him to go get therapy because he clearly needs it, he proceeds to ignore that advice, and continues posting like an idiot, eventually till he gets tired of being told to gently caress off. My last therapy appointment was today. This process was mostly a wash since the therapist gave me no advice other than "socialize more" and analizing my emotional responses. I did get some useful tools out of it but there's still a long way to go and I am searching for alternatives. AceOfFlames fucked around with this message at 16:19 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Pilchenstein posted:This is a bold fuckin gambit lol the spirit of TinTower lives on
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