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they aren’t but no one said we have a food crisis. Hell most people just blame the kids parents for being poor
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536 posted:You can't do the whole "im still on the fence about people being hungry" when you won't even look at the studies that have been done. why can't I stay on the fence 536? I'm staying on the fence with regards to the "opposition reporter was spy" news and the "food headed to venezuela blocked at panama" news, why shouldn't i remain undecided on a murkier issue?
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Aug 13, 2019 22:32
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*america, a country dominated by private capitalists* drat, those malnourished kids should pull themselves up by their bootstraps *venezuela, a country dominated by private capitalists trying to actively overthrow the government who live in comfort* drat, we need to overthrow the government
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420 Gank Mid posted:Lmao. Incredible how fast this guy went from 'just asking questions about Venezuela' to parroting literal neonazi propaganda This 536 guy is real stupid but are you saying the holodomor is neonazi propaganda?
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Control Volume posted:This 536 guy is real stupid but are you saying the holodomor is neonazi propaganda? It literally is, yes e: technically just regular nazi propaganda A Big Fuckin Hornet has issued a correction as of 22:40 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Aug 13, 2019 22:34
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Yall and the D&D thread deserve each other
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:It literally is, yes please make a thread with the other guy about how that was actually nazi propaganda. i want to learn
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Control Volume posted:Yall and the D&D thread deserve each other the enlightened centralist has logged on.
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*america experiences a mass hunger crisis* drat, we need britain to come in and overthrow the american government and install an emergency interim president that no one has ever heard of before and also all the american oil industry needs to be sold to the british
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Aug 13, 2019 22:48
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hopefully the world embargoes and blockades the US to help it get through its hunger crisis
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Aug 13, 2019 22:51
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apparently the takeaway i'm supposed to be getting is that sanctions and embargoes are the way for venezuela to finally get the humanitarian aid it deserves. or something. I've never heard of a country being returned to prosperity from humanitarian aid, and I don't see how crushing the economy into a fine powder after maduro's supposedly crushed it to pieces is supposed to help recovery but apparently there are big studies that show that totally annihilating a country economically is just a great way to recover from previous mismanagement
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that totally non-biased US state dept. funded, HRW http://www.coha.org/taking-human-rights-watch-to-task/ https://www.newstatesman.com/south-america/2008/09/hrw-report-chavez-venezuela lol
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Aug 13, 2019 22:56
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it's not supposed to make sense it's very obvious that venezuela could use its exports, even if oil is crashed, to help feed its people, which is why it needs to be embargoed. venezuela could use its outside funds, hoard of gold, and stakes in overseas enterprises to feed its people, which is why it needs to be seized. even its critics admit that the venezuelan government has a literal food subsidy program to deliver food to people, although they try to frame giving food to people that need it in the extreme failure of the private markets dominating venezuela's economy as a sin. somehow similar food subsidy programs for the poor in the US are not cited as an example of dictatorial social control or a failure of the private market systems it's very obvious that the ruling government has an extreme incentive to provide food to its people, because the extreme instability of mass food riots and hunger threaten to overthrow the government, which is coincidentally what john bolton and elliot abrams and the private capitalists ruling venezuela want.
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Aug 13, 2019 22:59
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if you got rid of the food stamp and other types of welfare programs in the US, the US would have food riots again because the US had mass food riots in the great depression and the US had mass food riots not because there was not enough food, but because people did not have access to food just because there is mass hunger in a country absolutely does not mean the problem is not enough food. in the US, the government was literally paying businesses to mass destroy food because there was too much of it for the market logic of production and profit to work out
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Aug 13, 2019 23:09
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comedyblissoption posted:if you got rid of the food stamp and other types of welfare programs in the US, the US would have food riots weren't the "food riots" just people walking into stores with food and taking it because it was just rotting on the shelf thanks to efforts of the US gov to destroy food stockpiles to keep the prices up despite mass poverty
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it was a flash mob of people forming to then run into the grocer and take poo poo off shelves and overwhelm whatever security the store had because they could not otherwise have access to the food
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Epic High Five posted:weren't the "food riots" just people walking into stores with food and taking it because it was just rotting on the shelf thanks to efforts of the US gov to destroy food stockpiles to keep the prices up despite mass poverty it was also because the VZ ag corps were throwing a fit because a soc dem was mildly inconveniencing them
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like im not at ALL trying do defend america but the Venezuelan capitalists have played a big part in it too
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Control Volume posted:This 536 guy is real stupid but are you saying the holodomor is neonazi propaganda? he's saying that the famine was real, but the accusations of genocide are propaganda
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Aug 13, 2019 23:26
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CharlestheHammer posted:they aren’t but no one said we have a food crisis. me i'm saying we have a food crisis the un should blockade the usa
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Aug 13, 2019 23:27
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like i have to emphasize this again the goal of maduro to maintain his rule is to put food and empanadas into venezuelan's mouths the goal of guaido and john bolton is to keep food out of venezuelan's mouths it's very obvious based on the actual actions these actors have taken
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When I brought up William Blum in the other thread, they tried to credential check the guy. "He didn't even get an Harvard degree." Lol.
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i'm surprised you wouldn't jump immediately to one of his books got an endorsement from osama bin laden which is probably on his wikipedia article
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https://twitter.com/mfox_us/status/1161027423158226947?s=20
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Aug 14, 2019 00:35
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lol the US got greedy and basically cemented the Chinese influence of the area
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Aug 14, 2019 00:37
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this is not surprising. after the way trump's been dealing with china, and the US supposedly funding and instigating the protests in hong kong, china is probably going to get closer to the other nations the US is being a shitbird to.
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venezuela is pretty stupid for rejecting the counter off from the united states of...*checks notes*... 
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comedyblissoption posted:i'm surprised you wouldn't jump immediately to one of his books got an endorsement from osama bin laden which is probably on his wikipedia article They did too, the loving morons.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:venezuela is pretty stupid for rejecting the counter off from the united states of...*checks notes*... i believe it was "surrender your country to us immediately or maybe that was the opposition's counter offer? people sure want to make sure you remember they have agency of their own
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Can't wait to hear how this is actually Chinese imperialism
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Chinese only project soft power because our power is so hard. So loving rock hard right now. So you're welcome, Venezuela. You're welcome for the Chinese investment you're only getting because we are trying to gently caress you.
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Control Volume posted:This 536 guy is real stupid but are you saying the holodomor is neonazi propaganda? Yes, it is propaganda invented by nazis and perpetuated by other nazis or people stupid enough to be tricked by nazis They even gave it a jazzy name so they could point to the soviets and say "aha but you have your own Holo-whatever, but yours ACK-SHUALLY happened"
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There's no denying that there was a famine in the Ukraine, but where the Nazi propaganda comes in is claiming this was a "Holodomor" or a holocaust against Ukrainians specifically. The famine affected some parts of Ukraine way more than others, while other districts in the Russian and Belarusian SFSRs were hit even harder. Famine affected specific districts more than others because the Soviets were restricting movement and making it impossible for people to flee to industrializing urban centers, where all the food had gone. If you start pulling threads on Holodomor groups, you'll soon find yourself in webrings of people who believe the Soviet Union was a Judeo Bolshevik conspiracy against Christendom, and everyone who died in the Soviet Union died from a gentile holocaust.
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Corky Romanovsky posted:venezuela is pretty stupid for rejecting the counter off from the united states of...*checks notes*... we're literally offering them nothing lol like 6 months before the coup one of their biggest generals wanted to bring his child to the US for a treatment that would save their life Trump said no they have no idea how to do anything but brute force
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the term holodomor was invented specifically to try to draw comparison between a famine in a socialist country and the Nazi's intentional plan to exterminate the jews. The same statistics used to tally up holodomor death totals, if applied to the US during the great "dust bowl" would return similar numbers, but for some reason it's only a holo-something when it happened in the USSR.
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lol everytime someone asks how the government is supposed to be the one responsible for the food crisis 538 just skips over the question entirely and goes off on a "but someone was denying the food crisis!" deflection
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gradenko_2000 posted:lol everytime someone asks how the government is supposed to be the one responsible for the food crisis 538 just skips over the question entirely and goes off on a "but someone was denying the food crisis!" deflection The cspammers who argue itt and in D&D are big league masochist
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if you want racist genocide denial you can open us any us high school history textbook about the irish "potato famine"
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comedyblissoption posted:if you want racist genocide denial you can open us any us high school history textbook about the irish "potato famine"
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CharlestheHammer posted:lol the US got greedy and basically cemented the Chinese influence of the area China is doing an economy and frankly it's cause for concern
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