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Kaiser Mazoku posted:This is almost as bad as Danganronpa translating "yen" to "dollars" but keeping the numerical values the same. Nevermind the oddity of Japanese students using dollars anyway. This reminds me when it actually happened in Persona 1 if you glitch yourself into a dummied out subquest and someone is like "give me 5000 yen" which isn't too bad but it suddenly becomes "give me 5000 dollars" and you gotta get to grindin'
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:This is almost as bad as Danganronpa translating "yen" to "dollars" but keeping the numerical values the same. Nevermind the oddity of Japanese students using dollars anyway. Why would they do that in a game about Japanese people set in Japan. There are times to localize currency, but that’s not one. (I say in the Ace Attorney thread.)
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Aug 12, 2019 23:38
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I remember in V3 they seem to talk about this country rather than explicitly saying they're in Japan. I can't remember if they do that for the other games.
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Aug 13, 2019 00:18
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Irony Be My Shield posted:I remember in V3 they seem to talk about this country rather than explicitly saying they're in Japan. I can't remember if they do that for the other games. I can't remember, but I do know that they all address each other by nicknames in the official translation, which is an incredibly improper thing to do in Japan if you're merely an acquaintance. In the fan translation, they all address each other by last name. Speaking of V3 I recently beat case 2 and the motive of killing for the sake of one's country and head of state did NOT translate well, haha. Kaiser Mazoku fucked around with this message at 00:33 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Aug 13, 2019 00:29
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I can't remember, but I do know that they all address each other by nicknames in the official translation, which is an incredibly improper thing to do in Japan if you're merely an acquaintance. In the fan translation, they all address each other by last name.
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Aug 13, 2019 01:39
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I absolutely am complaining about it because it makes them seem way more familiar with each other than they should be. Which is a huge plot point.
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Aug 13, 2019 01:53
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Yes, I have also played V3. I do not think the choice was wrong in this case (or in most any case). People using first names for each other does not indicate any special sort of familiarity in the english language, so I didn't read it as such, and most people won't.
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Aug 13, 2019 02:01
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Kaiser Mazoku posted:I absolutely am complaining about it because it makes them seem way more familiar with each other than they should be. it only makes them seem way more familiar if you're intentionally trying to read japanese rules on formality/closeness into an english script
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Aug 13, 2019 02:25
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It's not just first names they use, but nicknames, which is an odd thing to do for people you just met no matter the culture.
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Aug 13, 2019 02:32
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i mean, the character i remember using nicknames the most (kaito) is very specifically a gregarious and almost aggressively friendly guy so the oddness isn't a mistake, it's an intentional choice to underline his character
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Aug 13, 2019 02:40
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For characters like Kaito or Hagakure yeah it makes sense, but literally everyone does it and it's weird. Edit: Except Yamada. I actually like how they handled him. (uses Mr./Ms.)
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Aug 13, 2019 02:42
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There's also miu's colorful nicknames but that's because she's a foul-mouthed rear end in a top hat Also Kokichi gives nicknames, because he's a goofball, and also a loving rear end in a top hat I can't really think of any character from V3 that throws out a bunch of nicknames that doesn't have an excuse for doing so EDIT: yeah I guess the other games do it but reminder that those are teenagers, a lot of them pretty eccentric teenagers at that
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Aug 13, 2019 02:43
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RandomFerret posted:I'm playing through the HD trilogy right now and there are some real But lo! Edgeworth taps his nose impishly. I can never prove his crimes, but I can make the devil suffer Gumshoe slumps his shoulders. If I quit the force, then he'll have won. These games we play
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Aug 13, 2019 02:47
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I remember it feeling distinctly like the nicknames in at least the first game were just because the VAs couldn't figure out how to pronounce Japanese. "Owie"
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Aug 13, 2019 02:48
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all i'm saying is that if you don't think 'maki roll' is incredibly cute just get out of my face
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Aug 13, 2019 02:50
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I'm on case 4 atm and I love Maki Roll to death. Miu also really grew on me. V3 handles the nickname thing really well, idk why but in the earlier games it sounds weird. Maybe it is a VA thing. Kaiser Mazoku fucked around with this message at 02:59 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Aug 13, 2019 02:54
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V3 has a new localization team and I think it's better for the most part ("degenerate males" notwithstanding).
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Aug 13, 2019 03:15
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weren't 1 and 2 localized pretty quickly? i remember there being a real small gap in time between 1 and 2 first coming out in the west
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Brother Entropy posted:weren't 1 and 2 localized pretty quickly? i remember there being a real small gap in time between 1 and 2 first coming out in the west Yeah, they were. They had a ton of typos too. (I don't say that as a knock against the translation team, but against their management which only gave them so much time, as is often the case when it comes to this sort of thing.) I will say I prefer the term "Ultimate" as opposed to the mouthful that is "Super High School Level Whatever". Kaiser Mazoku fucked around with this message at 04:04 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Aug 13, 2019 03:19
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Now you're making me want to play a Danganronpa game with Phoenix and Miles as two of the people trapped.
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Brother Entropy posted:all i'm saying is that if you don't think 'maki roll' is incredibly cute just get out of my face I have lots of thoughts about the translation issues discussed and I will refrain from sharing them here because of obvious biases. I will say, though, that while Maki Roll is cute (if redundant), the original Harumaki is very much the superior nickname.
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Tesseraction posted:Now you're making me want to play a Danganronpa game with Phoenix and Miles as two of the people trapped. Thats the setup for PW VS Professor Layton.
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ArmyOfMidgets posted:Thats the setup for PW VS Professor Layton. That's next on my list after I finish AAI2. I actually started it first but wanted to focus on the main series and ended up picking up AAI1 after AA6. Out of interest orenronen/other multilinguists, how does the stepladder routine work in Japanese? Is it literal or is there a play on words?
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Tesseraction posted:Out of interest orenronen/other multilinguists, how does the stepladder routine work in Japanese? Is it literal or is there a play on words? It’s literal, though it works slightly better in Japanese. The distinction is between hashigo (ladder) and kyatatsu (stepladder). Much like in English, the first is a general word and the second is a specific type of the first, but because the words sound completely different the confusion is much more of a real life thing. In Gyakuten Saiban 4 Odoroki (Apollo) also coins kyashigo to settle the argument but I don’t remember if/how this was handled in English.
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orenronen posted:It’s literal, though it works slightly better in Japanese. The distinction is between hashigo (ladder) and kyatatsu (stepladder). Much like in English, the first is a general word and the second is a specific type of the first, but because the words sound completely different the confusion is much more of a real life thing. In Gyakuten Saiban 4 Odoroki (Apollo) also coins kyashigo to settle the argument but I don’t remember if/how this was handled in English. Interesting. I think this is in the second case? I'll see if I can go check it.
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Tesseraction posted:Interesting. I think this is in the second case? I'll see if I can go check it. (short investigation later) it's in the third, and they don't (my translations are meant to be literal and not any good): Odoroki: なんだ。こんなところにも、ハシゴが‥‥ Huh. A hashigo in a place like this too... Apollo: Huh, another ladder. Minuki: オドロキさん。アレはむしろ、キャタツですよ。 Odoroki-san. That's a kyatatsu actually. Trucy: Actually, it’s technically a stepladder. Odoroki: ‥‥めんどうだ。まとめて、”キャシゴ”と呼ぼう。 ...That's annoying. Let's put them together and call it a kyashigo. Apollo: Well hello, Ms. Fancy Pants! Please forgive my lack of ladder discrimination. Minuki: ! Trucy: ! Minuki: .......... Trucy: ...... Akane: キャシゴそのものより、それが置いてある”理由”が気になるね。 I'm more worried about the reason it's here than about the kyashigo itself. Ema: I'm less worried about the stepladder, and more worried about why it's there. Odoroki: （キャシゴが置いてある”理由”‥‥？） (The reason the kyashigo is here...?) Apollo: (Why is the ladder there?) Odoroki: （そりゃ”のぼる”ため、だよな。てことは、天井に何か‥‥？） (It's for "climbing", isn't it. Which means, something on the ceiling...?) Apollo: (Well, to climb, right? To reach something on the ceiling?) Minuki: ............ Trucy: ...... Minuki: みぬき。”キャシゴ”はどうかとおもうんだけどなあ‥‥ Minuki thinks kyashigo is not a good idea... Trucy: I still say it's a stepladder. I'm personally a fan of how Akane immediately jumps on the kyashigo bandwagon.
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orenronen posted:I will say, though, that while Maki Roll is cute (if redundant), the original Harumaki is very much the superior nickname.
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Amppelix posted:At the risk of going further off topic, that one has the obvious issue that I don't actually know what it means while I do know what a roll is. Harumaki is both a play on her full name (Harukawa Maki) and means "spring roll". This might also clue you about the redundancy of Maki Roll, though I admit it is cute.
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I have played these out of order and now only have 2 and 3 of the main series. And I’m on a circus case. With a loving clown. Who penalizes me if I press him during cross examination. I hate this.
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FairGame posted:I have played these out of order and now only have 2 and 3 of the main series. welcome to hell. welcome to quite possibly the nadir of the franchise.
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FairGame posted:I have played these out of order and now only have 2 and 3 of the main series. Don’t press him when he’s visibly trying to hold in a laugh.
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Aug 14, 2019 01:30
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On the plus side, every case you play for the entire rest of the series will be better than this
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Aug 14, 2019 02:17
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turnabout big top is not the worst case in the trilogy let alone the whole series
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somepartsareme posted:turnabout big top is not the worst case in the trilogy let alone the whole series "Guitar, Guitar"
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somepartsareme posted:turnabout big top is not the worst case in the trilogy let alone the whole series I can imagine cases in the other games that are just as bad (turnabout serenade, the second half of the final case of investigations 1) but I can't think of any case in the original 3 worse than big top
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Turnabout Serenade is actively worse than Turnabout Big Top because you can actually avoid issues with Turnabout Big Top if you just pay attention and avoid the big shiny PRESS button after the first time you get dinged, whereas you HAVE to listen to the drat song over and over again in Turnabout Serenade.
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Podima posted:Turnabout Serenade is actively worse than Turnabout Big Top because you can actually avoid issues with Turnabout Big Top if you just pay attention and avoid the big shiny PRESS button after the first time you get dinged, whereas you HAVE to listen to the drat song over and over again in Turnabout Serenade. It also has the worst instance of not letting you present evidence, when you really should be able to. The game makes sure that you know, firing the gun used in the murder would hurt the arm of the person firing it., and when you can finally present the evidence, its basically immediately dismissed.
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Color Printer posted:I can imagine cases in the other games that are just as bad (turnabout serenade, the second half of the final case of investigations 1) but I can't think of any case in the original 3 worse than big top i would put big top above a few episodes because i actually think it's really good, but recipe for turnabout is my least favorite in the trilogy. it has some high points but victor kudo and jean armstrong are terrible, the ending is unsatisfying and the mystery is mostly not very interesting
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Aug 14, 2019 05:46
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big top is hands down the worst of the original trilogy but it's better than anything in AA4 at least
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