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nerdz posted:I mean, his point was that if the left wing gets control over the country, it will literally become a venezuela, with food shortages so bad people would be fleeing. Of course that'll be their boogeyman for the rest of eternity Which is the biggest pile of lol ever. Leave it to Bolsie to be a complete dumbfuck Ghost of Mussolini posted:those are rookie numbers we gotta pump those numbers up boys We'll lock up the trifecta in october, I'm really feelin it
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How does that joke about argentinian politicians goes again? Is it "dishonesty, incompetence and peronism, pick one."? (Or is it the other way around?) My gringo friend s are asking me about the situation down there, and I think this is the easiest way to explain the last 50 years of history other than making them watch that Tato Borges monologue. Magrov fucked around with this message at 03:44 on Aug 13, 2019 |
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Aug 13, 2019 03:31
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Magrov posted:How does that joke about argentinian politicians goes again? Is it "dishonesty, incompetence and peronism, pick one."? (Or is it the other way around?) don't those kinds of jokes usually end with "pick two"
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Aug 13, 2019 03:58
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IIRC it was "honesty, intelligence or peronism" and you can only pick two. tbh I prefer the dishonesty/incompetence one.
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Aug 13, 2019 04:16
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macri and menem, intelligent honest non-peronists 
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Aug 13, 2019 04:30
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Ghost of Mussolini posted:those are rookie numbers we gotta pump those numbers up boys LATAM should hold the top 3 at the very least, gently caress you Sri Lanka. Maybe this is the year tough, we've got strong contenders.
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Aug 13, 2019 05:27
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If it wasn't for Venezuela, the Latin American right wing would look like crap to any non-political observer. Every pink tide country that has elected right wing leaders has constantly been tripping over itself onto worse situations.
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bagual posted:macri and menem, intelligent honest non-peronists Menem was a peronist, Macri called himself peronist a couple of times. Everybody is peronist! *Ophra's voice* "You are a peronist, you are a peronist! Everybody is peronist!!!"
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Aug 13, 2019 12:37
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Question: what is Argentina's local fascist party, and what is their level of support at the moment? Because I have a feeling that when Fernández fucks everything up in the next four years, nobody will trust Macri's neoliberals again, and their support will skyrocket. Alternatively, what are the chances that Macri's neoliberals will do a Boris and adopt said local fascist party's policies wholesale?
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Venomous posted:Question: what is Argentina's local fascist party, and what is their level of support at the moment? Because I have a feeling that when Fernández fucks everything up in the next four years, nobody will trust Macri's neoliberals again, and their support will skyrocket. i'm laughing irl at the mere thought of biondini having actual support, or actual policies
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Venomous posted:Question: what is Argentina's local fascist party, and what is their level of support at the moment? Because I have a feeling that when Fernández fucks everything up in the next four years, nobody will trust Macri's neoliberals again, and their support will skyrocket. Biondini, our facist edgelord only got 0,24% of the votes. There is no chance of a facist gov.
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Dek posted:Biondini, our facist edgelord only got 0,24% of the votes. There is no chance of a facist gov. Boris-esque fascist takeover of the neoliberal party, got it, thanks On a semi-related note, this is a really good video about the economic reasons for the recent rise of populists on the left and right around the world, and Fernández very much fits into the former but I'd watch out for the latter emerging soon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGuaoARJYU0
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I suppose that Gómez Centurion (religious conservative friendly with the military) and/or Espert (libertarian) could become the fig leaf under which a neo-nazi party could gain power in Argentina, but to be honest I don't see it happening.
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I would have said the same about a fascist party getting into power here in Brazil 5 years ago, and here we are
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Xenophobia is becoming a bigger issue and that's what has bolstered Gómez Centurion (who's a Bolsonaro type), but for the most part Argentines still see everything mostly through the lens of class. You're either "poor and lazy" or "rich & corrupt" and that sort of thinking fits fairly neatly into the existing power structures.
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Aug 13, 2019 18:01
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joepinetree posted:Long story short, Argentina has always been an economy dominated by the exports of commodities. It's possible to make a lot of money exporting meat and leather as a small country in the first half of the twentieth century. Not so much now. My understanding was that Argentina did industrialize during the peron years, but argentinian elites and the military with IMF/American backing wrecked that process to keep it a debtor state that couldn't challenge american interests.
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Yeah during Perón’s first term the country took absolutely massive strides towards industrialisation and workers’ rights (albeit with the dark side of being a fascist dictatorship in all but name) But then came the CIA sponsored coups and the cycle of neoliberal military dictatorships selling the country to the best bidder and then the democracies just kinda went along with it
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Aug 13, 2019 21:20
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Yep and were still feeling the reverberations of the destruction of the national industries. Gotta love that ol usa interference lol
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Venomous posted:Question: what is Argentina's local fascist party, and what is their level of support at the moment? Because I have a feeling that when Fernández fucks everything up in the next four years, nobody will trust Macri's neoliberals again, and their support will skyrocket.
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Pochoclo posted:I mean, it's not just that. If you're an argentinian that qualifies as "refugee" that means you're either living on the streets or in a villa, and what, you're going to magically teleport to Brasil, where you don't even know the language, and... what? Live in a favela? I was in Buenos Aires 6 months ago for work and taxi drivers and people I met kept asking me how hard it was to migrate to Mexico, so maybe another wave is coming. There's a large community of argentinians living in Mexico that came after the 2001 crisis and stayed, though I'm not sure if they were low or middle class as you mention. Friends that had a chance to apply for an european passport were doing so and are now planning on leaving. Argentina is an agricultural power house, so It's not like people will die of hunger or anything, but their purchasing power has clearly diminished substantialy in the last decade.
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Our benevolent leader just annunced some measures to mitigate the loving explosion of his goverment: a 2000 pesos bonus to workers (about 30 bucks) an extra 2000 pesos if you pay an earning tax. This is hilarious, I lost about 30% of my salary value, but thank god they gonna give me 30 bucks. MACRI CHUPAME BIEN LA PIJA
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Aug 14, 2019 14:09
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So how bad things will get when the Peso reaches 100:1
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Plutonis posted:So how bad things will get when the Peso reaches 100:1 This is the feeling right now  when it reaches 100 it goes back to 1. Right? please? 
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Dek posted:Our benevolent leader just annunced some measures to mitigate the loving explosion of his goverment: Ajajajajajahhaa que hijo de puta el gato. Dijo que congela el precio de la nafta por 90 dias tambien. Ahora viene a hacerlo el cornudo. Lo que puede ser duro es que se vienen movilizaciones feministas al toque y como saben que se van y que no importa una chota nada ya, capaz metan represion.
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I mean internally we could do fine for a while, as long as we stop being dumbasses and produce properly. We have food, textiles, oil. Really the only things we dont have are high end tech and chemistry for pharmaecuticals, right? Outwards markets will definitely be a pain, and i hope the imf sanctions whoever allowed loans that were obviously unpayable but who even knows at this point
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Dek posted:when it reaches 100 it goes back to 1. Right? please? 
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ArfJason posted:I mean internally we could do fine for a while, as long as we stop being dumbasses and produce properly. We have food, textiles, oil. Really the only things we dont have are high end tech and chemistry for pharmaecuticals, right? Outwards markets will definitely be a pain, and i hope the imf sanctions whoever allowed loans that were obviously unpayable but who even knows at this point Argentina's pharma industry is pretty strong, we need bulk chemicals not from the country for it though
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I've heard many locals say that the military junta -actively- de-industrialized Argentina, as they thought that industry created urban workers who then created unions and leftist activism, and besides, they'd get whatever they needed from their pals the US of A, who will also -totally- have our backs if we, say, decided to pick a scrap with the UK! Haven't really researched much into it to see how much of it checks out. In Brazil a strong segment of the military regime liked heavy industry and infrastructure quite a bit, while the other thought along those lines. And the current crop that follows Bolsonaro can't seem to be able to sell off every national asset fast enough, including areas that until recently they thought sacrosanct (like energy).
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Thats part of it because they were american puppets as seen in plan condor, but if there was something they loved more than northamerica and genocide, it was erasing any traces of peronism from the country, and industry was a big part of perons government.
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So how fast does everything re-price in Argentina after an event like this? Do people just jack up prices by 30% after a few weeks?
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Freezer posted:So how fast does everything re-price in Argentina after an event like this? Do people just jack up prices by 30% after a few weeks? Hahahahahaha weeks Prices in a supermarket change several times a day and that's not exaggerating Not kidding - it must have changed pretty much overnight everywhere, argentinians are so used to it, it's like breathing Pochoclo fucked around with this message at 21:18 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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Freezer posted:So how fast does everything re-price in Argentina after an event like this? Do people just jack up prices by 30% after a few weeks? my colleague today spent an hour on the phone fighting with someone who wanted to jack up the price of things we had already bought
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Pochoclo posted:Hahahahahaha weeks Haha you're right, wow. I was expecting more price inertia. The dumb wooden dishes I wanted to buy are 8% up from Monday. Stupid mercado libre Arg won't accept foreign cards! So, umm, how long until salaries rise 30% to match?
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Freezer posted:Haha you're right, wow. I was expecting more price inertia. The dumb wooden dishes I wanted to buy are 8% up from Monday. Stupid mercado libre Arg won't accept foreign cards! About a year depending on the union you belong. Last month i got a 10% raise, that didint cover the last 6 months of inflation.
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Let me tell you a sad tale: When I started working (about 8 years ago) my salary was close to 1000 dollars. After 8 years and several raises in the same company. My salary is worth 640 dollars. (Way above the minimal wage) Mauricio, ojalá te de cáncer de huevos y sufras todo lo que le hiciste sufrir a la gente.
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Freezer posted:So, umm, how long until salaries rise 30% to match? thanks for playing
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Dek posted:Let me tell you a sad tale: Maybe personal but profession? Thats ounds like ingeniero en sistemas
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If you have 8 years of experience in IT and your family context permits it, you should leave
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Silver lining for Argentinians: Steam games are now on sale for 30% off.Dek posted:Our benevolent leader just annunced some measures to mitigate the loving explosion of his goverment: 
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