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inferis posted:why do you think all these tech dorks care about going to space Dr. Killjoy posted:“Hmmm, Mr. Musk, your Mars colony would technically not be bound by any one nation’s laws.”
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Mariana Horchata posted:someone get me scott borgersons address lmao if you don't think that house is already staked out to gently caress
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Mariana Horchata posted:someone get me scott borgersons address https://www.manchester.ma.us/AgendaCenter/ViewFile/Minutes/_02282018-1147
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whaley posted:has anyone posted was crack ping abbreviates to yet CP culture run amok
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Lastgirl posted:i saw this episode when it aired and i was stunned, and this was like a year ago, so i already had that frame of mind going forward that laws don't apply to the rich because they can easily escape nation states to private sovereignties and international waters where nothing matters. i think if i saw that today my mind wouldve been less HOLY gently caress and more a restrained, quietly vibrating pinging
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Jeffrey Epstein's island looks like it literally came out of the LOST universe
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Socks4Hands posted:lmao if you don't think that house is already staked out to gently caress im currently in switzerland
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Chuka Umana posted:Jeffrey Epstein's island looks like it literally came out of the LOST universe Sounds like a lot of innocence was lost there 
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Donald Trump had his own private plane's flight records expunged in 2015, crack ping
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Your brain hasn't truly crack pinged until you start pouring through the loving McCarthy hearing transcripts for poo poo like this: [quote=EXECUTIVE SESSIONS OF THE SENATE PERMANENT SUBCOMMITTEE ON INVESTIGATIONS OF THE COMMITTEE ON GOVERNMENT OPERATIONS VOLUME 5, EIGHTY-THIRD CONGRESS, SECOND SESSION , 1954 , MADE PUBLIC JANUARY 2003 ] ALLEGED THREATS AGAINST THE CHAIRMAN [Editor's note. — William J. Morgan (born William Mitrano, 1911-1996) was a lieutenant-colonel in military intelligence, U.S. Army Reserve, who held a Ph.D. in psychology from Yale. During World War II he served as director of the Psycho- logical Text Bureau, worked with the British in selecting agents to operate in Nazi- occupied territories, and parachuted into France to organize and train guerillas. He later published The O.S.S. and I (1957). From 1947 to 1957 he created tests to ex- amine new recruits and employees for the CIA. Dr. Morgan did not testify in public session.] THURSDAY, MARCH 4, 1954 U.S. Senate, Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations of the Committee on Government Operations, Washington, DC. The subcommittee met (pursuant to Senate Resolution 189, agreed to February 2, 1954) at 4:00 p.m., room 101, Senate Office Building, Senator Charles E. Potter presiding. Present: Senator Karl E. Mundt, Republican, South Dakota; Sen- ator Charles E. Potter, Republican, Illinois; Senator John L. McClellan, Democrat, Arkansas President also: Francis P. Carr, executive director; Roy M. Cohn, chief counsel; Robert F. Kennedy, chief counsel for the minority; Donald A. Surine, assistant counsel; James M. Juliana, investi- gator; Ruth Young Watt, chief clerk. TESTIMONY OF WILLIAM J. MORGAN Senator Potter. In the matter now in hearing, do you solemnly swear that the testimony you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, so help you God? Dr. Morgan. I do. Senator Potter. Will you identify yourself for the record, Dr. Morgan — your full name and your present address and your present occupation. Dr. Morgan. My full name is William James Morgan and my oc- cupation is psychologist. I have specialized in psychological warfare and intelligence operations for the last twelve years. I work at the Department of the Army as deputy chief of research in the office of chief, psychological warfare. Senator Potter. Is that under General Erskine? Dr. Morgan. General Erskine is at the Department of Defense level. I am with the army. My home is Merrifield, Virginia. Mr. Carr. Where were you employed in September 1953? Dr. Morgan. September of 1953. I was with the Psychological Strategy Board. Mr. Carr. Do you specifically recall the afternoon of September 20, 1953, Friday afternoon? (165) 166 Dr. Morgan. Not specifically, no, sir. Mr. Carr. Do you recall a meeting which you attended while you were in that position which was attended by Mr. Horace "Pete" Craig? 2 Dr. Morgan. I attended many meetings with him because I was in the same office. As a matter of fact, he was my superior. Mr. Carr. Do you recall any meeting with Mr. Craig in which a statement was made concerning Senator McCarthy? Dr. Morgan. Yes, sir. Mr. Carr. Could you recount that meeting? Dr. Morgan. Well, on a number of different occasions the name of McCarthy came up. It is a very common term, so there were a number of different occasions when the name would have come up. Mr. Carr. Do you recall an occasion when you suggested that the agency for whom you were working at that time attempt to become friends with Senator McCarthy? Dr. Morgan. There was what might be called a hypothetical dis- cussion that we were having. Senator Potter. This was with Mr. Craig, was it? Dr. Morgan. Mr. Craig. Sometime in September he asked me to stay over and wanted to chat with me. From time to time he asked me to do this. As I recall the incident, he began to talk about var- ious things and made a statement to the effect that the survey was completed concerning our international operation, activities, and that conclusions had been drawn that Senator McCarthy's influ- ence was the most important factor in negating the influence of U.S. activities abroad and that then kicked off the discussion. I thought he was feeling me out on various things. Mr. Carr. At that time was there any discussion as to a proce- dure to combat the influence of Senator McCarthy? Dr. Morgan. Well, here is the situation as briefly as I can re- member it. The question of Senator McCarthy was raised — what would you do with it, and I said, "Well, I don't know what the prob- lem is." He said, "You know General Donovan, what would his sug- gestion be?" I said, "Well, I don't know what Donovan would sug- gest." Mr. Carr. You say General Donovan? 3 Dr. Morgan. Yes, I had been in OSS. I said, "There is one thing very clear, what we are trying to do and what the senator is trying to do is the same." I said, "It may be desirable to indoctrinate him concerning our procedure and some of our goals," and he stated that he didn't think that was a wise procedure because Senator McCarthy was a very clever, intel- ligent man and that he admitted his mistakes and that it would simply not lead to anything. Then, I forget — the situation was one that I remember very clearly but exactly how it transpired, I don't know. I know I was very late getting home for dinner. I must have stayed at the office an hour or an hour and a half or so. I want to make a remark. What Dr. Craig said — the interpreta- tion is always difficult because some of the things he may say be- cause he wanted to add glamour to his name by association with 2 Horace S. Craig (1911-1963) served with the CIA until 1958. 3 Gen. William J. Donovan (1883-1959) served as head of the Office of Strategic Services dur- ing World War II. 167 a figure. That is a well known psychological technique. Or he may have had other motives. He said that somebody had recently come to see him and felt the best thing to do was to penetrate the McCarthy organization, which is of course a Communist espionage technique, and he thought they had a candidate for it; that they were steering him into being employed by the investigating com- mittee and the man's name escapes me now. I may be able to bring it to mind. Senator Potter. Do you know whether they were successful in doing that or not? Dr. Morgan. No, sir, I don't know whether they were successful or not. The man was apparently very well thought of, of good edu- cation, and had the highest recommendations. The point that he was concerned with at the time was that he didn't know how much knowledge had to be turned over to this man, because if you turned over too much knowledge, he might not be able to go through with it. One of the problems with agents, if you let them know too much in the beginning, it might frighten him, so you get him into a situa- tion and then maneuver. I don't know whether or not the thing was ever successful. [Off-record discussion.] Mr. SURINE. To further identify Dr. Craig, could you administra- tively put on the record who his superior was at that time? Dr. Morgan. Well, I think it is a matter of public knowledge. In these things I have to make a decision whether it is security infor- mation or whether it is not security information. In this case this is public information because it has not been in anything with a stamp on it. The Psychological Strategy Board, of course, at that time had both a board and a staff; then the president's special as- sistant, Mr. C. D. Jackson, was the one who was running the Office of Evaluation, which was the office in which Dr. Craig was func- tioning. 4 Things became in rather a turmoil after the new adminis- tration came in because psychological activities were supposed to continue, but actually they didn't continue and Mr. Jackson took charge, took certain responsibilities from PSB, as it is referred to, and Mr. Craig answered to Mr. Jackson because he worked with him before. Mr. Surine. Where is Dr. Craig now? Dr. Morgan. Operations Coordination Board, which is the suc- cessor agency to PSB. Mr. Surine. To your knowledge, what was the true employment at that time of C. D. Jackson and Mr. Craig? Dr. Morgan. Well, by the true employment do you mean where do they get their money? Mr. Surine. Who paid their salaries? Dr. Morgan. I don't know of Mr. C. D. Jackson. I just don't know at that time. Dr. Craig, I think he was on the CIA payroll. Right here I ought to say this — that is a question of security. I understand that people in CIA must not be identified as CIA peo- ple. I don't know just how to classify this. He is known publicly to be on the CIA payroll. 4 Charles Douglas Jackson (1902-1964), publisher of Fortune magazine, had organized the psychological warfare division at General Eisenhower's headquarters in London during World War II and served as special assistant to Eisenhower in the White House from 1953 to 1954. 168 Mr. Surine. You are speaking of Craig now? Dr. Morgan. Craig. Mr. Surine. What about Jackson? Dr. Morgan. At that time I don't know. Later I don't know. Mr. Surine. How about before? Dr. Morgan. I may have information before, but I think that is classified. Mr. Surine. Were you at that time receiving your money from CIA? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. The Psychological Strategy Board is broken down into two echelons. Those who are GS-15s and below are paid by the Department of State. Those who are GS-16s and above are paid by CIA. Mr. Surine. Getting back to the conversation with Mr. Craig, which you have covered part of here, when you suggested to him that possibly CIA attempt to make friends with Senator McCar- thy — could you fully develop that conversation as he related it to you and his response to your remark. Dr. Morgan. Well, it was very simple. He shrugged the thing off. He walked up and down the room and made the remark; then he said, "There are madmen who would be willing to do it for a price," something of that nature. I kind of looked him over. My reaction was, "Is Pete serious about this thing or is he sounding off? Is he trying to be dramatic or what is the score?" At that time, I might add, that particular kind of suggestion was not made very often. Since then to hear that, as in connection with the Puerto Ricans, etc., everybody says, "Was Senator McCarthy there?" 5 Mr. Surine. To further identify yourself, could you relate your government employment, starting with roughly 1943 to the present time? Dr. Morgan. Yes, sir. In 1943 the OSS hired me as a psycholo- gist. They lost my records. I went overseas. They found my records in London and I managed to stay there, soliciting spies and sabo- teurs with the War Office Election Board, which was a British set- up working with OSS; then in 1944 I jumped behind the lines as a civilian, close to the French Maquis, where I organized a team of 150. For six weeks we had a lot of fun shooting, etc. I left there and went to China and operated in China. Fifty teams would have been sent up to the Northern China territory to penetrate the Com- munist hierarchy but Chiang Kai Shek and the State Department and others fell through so then I was doing other chores in China. I was S-3 and assistant operations officer in the Yellow River pe- ninsula. I was the officer in charge of the important operation of sending people into the Communist territory and keeping them out of Communist hands, fighting the Japanese. After the war was over I went to Formosa as executive officer; then when the deputy left, I became deputy; then I became chief of SSU, the successor agency to OSS, making intelligence scoops on the island so we would have the information we needed; following that I returned to the States and became deputy chief of the training staff of the CIA; then I be- 5 On March 1, 1954, four Puerto Rican nationalists fired thirty shots into the House chamber, wounding five representatives. 169 came the chief of the psychological assessment unit for the screen- ing of people because I was applying there the techniques that were used in the British set-up. In 1951, I worked for a year on career management problems, setting up career plans, etc. In 1952 I went to PSB. In 1953 I went with the army. Senator Potter. I would like to go back to where this man Craig stated that he felt that Senator McCarthy should be liquidated. I'd like to place the date of this. When did it happen? Dr. Morgan. It happened in September. Senator Potter. September of what year? Dr. Morgan. Last year, 1953. Senator Potter. He stated in essence that this man should be liquidated, referring to Senator McCarthy? Dr. Morgan. It may be necessary. Senator Potter. And that there are madmen Dr. Morgan. For a price willing to do the thing. Senator Potter. Did you make any comment after that? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. I looked at him and kind of figured, "What gives?" I didn't say anything. Senator Potter. Did he follow that up with any explanation of that statement? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. I don't remember he did follow it up. Senator Potter. Did you take this as a possible activity for your agency? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. I was quite stunned by it. I thought he had lost his self-control, discretion, or something had gone wrong with him; and that if it did reflect people with whom he was working that it just didn't seem to me someone was going mad. Senator Potter. Did he ever follow that up at a later date? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. He never did, not that I can remember. Senator Mundt. Was this during the same conversation in which they were talking about penetrating the McCarthy staff? Dr. Morgan. Yes, sir. Senator Potter. I assume from the conversation which took place that he was very much opposed to activity of this committee. Is that correct? Dr. Morgan. I don't know, Senator, whether he was opposed to the activity of this committee or whether he was opposed to what Senator McCarthy was trying to do. This happened in September 1953. I don't know who the members of the committee were at that time. Senator Potter. He was referring more to Senator McCarthy than to the committee? Dr. Morgan. That would be my interpretation. Senator Mundt. You say this happened in connection with the discussion of penetrating the committee. Did this statement pre- cede the statement about liquidation? Dr. Morgan. The question of penetration preceded the question of liquidation. Senator Potter. After he made the statement about liquidation and you registered some astonishment, what happened? Dr. Morgan. I think shortly thereafter we began to close up and wander out. Senator Potter. There was just the two of you there? 170 Dr. Morgan. Just the two of us. The reason I give this testimony with extreme caution, my own feeling is that the entire interpreta- tion is something that at the time it was a shock. I discussed it with my wife when I got home. I didn't know exactly what to do with it. It may simply have reflected an attempt on his part to do his thinking out loud. Senator Potter. Did he say who was to pay the madman to do, the job? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. He made no reference as to how it was to be accomplished except that there were madmen who would do the job. He made no reference to anyone specifically. Senator Mundt. Did this ever come up again in subsequent con- ferences? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. At a subsequent discussion he mentioned the name of the man he was talking about who was going on the staff, and I think it was one or two other times that he talked about this person. On one occasion he said he was having no luck and on another occasion he said something like he would like to find a job for him at the Department of Defense. Senator Mundt. In other words, in subsequent conversations he did continue to suggest the possibility of penetrating the McCarthy staff, but he never again referred to the possibility of liquidation? Dr. Morgan. He never again referred to liquidation. In the two subsequent discussions there was no discussion of penetration. He just simply mentioned the name and that he wasn't having any luck. On another occasion he said he was trying to make an effort to get him employed at the Department of Defense. Senator Potter. Do you know a man by the name of Matt Baird? 6 Dr. Morgan. Yes, I do. Senator Potter. What is his present employment? Dr. Morgan. I don't know. Senator Potter. What was he doing when you knew him? Dr. Morgan. Matthew Baird was chief of the office of training of the CIA and this is public information because it has been pub- lished in the newspapers. Senator Potter. When was that? Dr. Morgan. I would say that he became chief of that about 1951 sometime, the early part of 1951. Senator Potter. Did he have any personal traits that would be objectionable in normal society? Dr. Morgan. He is a handsome looking guy, but I would say gen- erally speaking "no." Senator Potter. Is he known to you to be a homosexual? Dr. Morgan. That has a long history. Senator Potter. You mean by that it is well known that he is a homosexual? Dr. Morgan. If you are asking whether I have facts that he is a homosexual, the answer is "no." Mr. Carr. Which one are you talking about now — Craig or Baird? 6 U.S. Air Force Col. Matt Baird (1901-1972) served with the CIA from 1953 to 1965 and de- veloped the agency's officer training and career development program. 171 Dr. Morgan. Baird. I don't have any factual evidence he is a ho- mosexual. Senator Potter. What is your knowledge in that respect? Dr. Morgan. Circumstantial and opinion. I don't know whether it is classified or not. Senator Potter. What information do you have to form your opinion? Dr. Morgan. Well, I think on that particular thing, in order to save the work of the committee, I gave information to two air force investigative officers who came to see me about Matt Baird in, I would say, early summer of 1953, around June. That file would contain everything I knew about that case. Senator Potter. Wasn't Mr. Baird discharged from a boys' school? Dr. Morgan. I understand that he was. Senator Potter. What information do you have as to the reason he was discharged? Dr. Morgan. I understand that he was discharged because he made the mistake of teaching the boys how to masturbate properly, but that doesn't come from any direct source. Senator Potter. When did he leave CIA? Dr. Morgan. I don't know whether he has left. For all I know, he may still be there. Mr. Surine. What is the nature of your information about his being discharged from the school on that grounds? Dr. Morgan. The information that I have is that a Mary Lee Fletcher, who is an employee of the agency, said that she had talked with some four or five persons in New York City, one of whom was the daughter of J. Leonard Hand, and they made the remark to her that it was a pity that the U.S. government had Matt Baird as their director of training and director of personnel. Senator Potter. That is director of CIA? Dr. Morgan. He had been director of training and personnel — in view of his record at the Arizona Desert School; that he was looked upon as a queer, etc. Senator Potter. I think that you have covered this subject pret- ty well, Dr. Morgan, and I wish to thank you for appearing here. Senator McClellan. I would like to ask a question or two. I didn't get Dr. Craig's initial. Dr. Morgan. Horace C. Craig, I think. Mr. Kennedy. There is a Horace S. in the telephone book. Senator McClellan. Where is Dr. Craig now? Dr. Morgan. I suppose he is with the operations coordinating board. Senator McClellan. Is he still with the government? Dr. Morgan. I believe so. Senator McClellan. He is still in the same position he occupied then, at the time you were testifying about, last September? Dr. Morgan. Well, there has been a reorganization, Senator. I don't know what position he now occupies but it is in the same framework. Senator McClellan. Is he still your boss? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. Senator McClellan. He was in September? 172 Dr. Morgan. Yes, he was in September. Senator McClellan. Then you think he is still with the govern- ment? Dr. Morgan. I think he is still with the government. Senator McClellan. Of course, that fact can be ascertained. I tried to follow very closely with respect to the conversation you had last September when he was pacing the floor after he had sug- gested the idea — made reference to the idea of penetrating the com- mittee staff, and then I think this is your exact language, and I want to get it accurately because you used some qualifying words, I think, after you used this language. I understood you to say and I quote,"It may be necessary to liquidate Senator McCarthy as was Huey Long." Is that quote accurate or substantially accurate as you recall what he said? Dr. Morgan. Yes, sir. Senator McClellan. Then you followed that by saying, if I got it correctly, and I quote: "There is always some madman who will do it for a price." Dr. Morgan. Yes, sir. Senator McClellan. Is that substantially what he said? Dr. Morgan. That is substantially as I remember what he said. Senator McClellan. Did you relate those two expressions at the time as the second implementing the first — that there would al- ways be some madman who would liquidate Senator McCarthy for a price? Did you relate those two statements together and think the second statement referred to Senator McCarthy? Dr. Morgan. Oh, yes. Senator McClellan. There was no question in your mind at the time about it? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. That was the subject of discussion so that it was relevant to what he had been saying. Senator McClellan. Now, this could be a very serious matter and I am trying to elicit from you as of now a description or an expression of the emotion you felt then and the reaction you had to his remarks. Were you impressed at the time or did you believe at the time accept his remark as that of a threat or that of a plot that was going through his mind to actually develop a scheme to accomplish what he had said. How did you react to it at the time? Dr. Morgan. Well, at the time I looked over Dr. Craig and thought, "He must be losing his mind. What is wrong with the guy." That was my introspective analysis. I was sufficiently dis- turbed to mention it at home when I apologized to my wife for being late. She said, "He is out of his mind" or "What is wrong with him" or something of that sort. The fact that he would raise it for discussion and keep me there after closing hours — this was the subject of discussion. We closed up at 5:30 and we were there, I would guess, till 7:00 or thereabouts, so that he must have had in mind that he wanted to go over this thing. Now that I look back, I think also he was trying to find out whether I was tied in with the McCarthy group. I think that may have been one of his intents because a question he threw at me caused me to answer, "I don't know him. I have never met him. As a matter of fact I have never seen him on TV." I think one of his intents was to feel me out with respect to my own affiliations. 173 Senator McClellan. Is that your reflection about it now after the incident occurred some five or six months ago? Do you feel it was just a remark to feel you out, to elicit some expression from you? In other words, was he trying to find out if you were in com- munication with the committee? Dr. Morgan. I think that he was. Senator McClellan. What do you think? Dr. Morgan. I think his first intention was to find out whether I was tied in with the McCarthy group, so to speak. Senator McClellan. Would that be a technique that you use in this psychological warfare — whatever you call it — to make a state- ment that will lead somebody out to express themselves, find out what they may be thinking, their attitude, what their relation or connection may be? Dr. Morgan. It is one of the interrogation techniques. Whether or not he was using it on me — my impression was that he was feel- ing me out as to whether or not I was a member of the McCarthy group. Senator McClellan. In other words, he was trying to find out if you were leaking out information to the committee? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. I think what he was interested in was to find out if I had political affiliations or connections or whether I was identified with the McCarthy group. Senator McClellan. You can only work by giving information. Dr. Morgan. Yes, that is so, but in government, as a government employee they are always interested whether you know Senator so and so. That is a very strong weapon for any government employee. Senator McClellan. Did you ever report the incident to any of your superiors? Dr. Morgan. No, sir, I did not. Senator McClellan. To whom did you first report it, aside from your wife? Dr. Morgan. I think I first talked it over with possibly Colonel Kellis. No, he was gone by that time. He was a confidant of mine. The man I first talked to was you [pointing to Mr. Surine]. Senator McClellan. Whom do you mean? Mr. Surine. Mr. Surine, me. Senator McClellan. You think he is the only one you talked to about it besides your wife? Dr. Morgan. He is the only one who knows about it besides my wife, possibly Colonel Kellis, Mr. La Venia and Mr. Surine. Senator McClellan. Mr. La Venia is also a member of the staff of this committee, is that right? Dr. Morgan. Yes. Senator McClellan. I want to follow up and get the real pro- spective of this thing. If that was a threat, that is something we want to know about, if the guy is still in government service cer- tainly. Of course, if it was just a maneuver on his part to try to elicit information from you or gain some impression from you, folks do that all the time and it would have no significance. I want to get you to evaluate, as of now, in the light of the facts, your reaction then and your sober reflection upon it since. How do you evaluate it as of now after five months' reflection? 174 Dr. Morgan. My evaluation is that at the time he must have been concerned with the problem and that he must have held dis- cussions with persons other than myself and that he was trying to find a solution, in his own mind, as to what ought to be done about McCarthyism, as it is so-called. Senator McClellan. That is your evaluation of it now after five months' reflection, that he really was concerned to himself at least, with what to do about McCarthyism or McCarthy and in medi- tating upon it and thinking out loud, he made these remarks? Dr. Morgan. Yes. Whether or not he would ever have enough courage to carry it through, I don't know. Senator McClellan. I know you wouldn't know that. You are the one involved; you heard the conversation; you know Dr. Craig from working with him and associating with him and you have had five months to reflect upon it. You are now giving testimony about it and you probably are the one most capable on evaluation on the standpoint of whether it really has substance that is of interest to this committee and the public or whether it was something that has no significance and should not be pursued further. I would like for you to make an expression on it. Dr. Morgan. I will say this very decidedly. I don't think informa- tion of this kind has public value because I don't see what purpose is going to be served. I think in connection with other items of a information, it may lead to a more clear picture of what is hap- pening concerning psychological warfare, international operations and things of that sort. I think as an isolated scrap, it reflects the thinking of a person who in line, say with others, would be politi- cally or other reasons. Not politically. I shouldn't say politically, but to what Senator McCarthy was doing at the time. I am not speaking of objectives. I think it has this. I don't know whether I have muddled the thing. Senator McClellan. I think it poses this question or problem for us on the committee. If that man was talking like that in a serious vein and it was thoughts rolling around in his mind, at the time, ideas he was expressing, I think the committee would be concerned about it. Whether it is something that should be given to the public or not, we might have to determine that later, but the question is if we have men in government with ideas like that and expressing ideas like that, I think the committee would be a little bit con- cerned. Dr. Morgan. I think it was a serious statement. He didn't say it in jest. He said it in a reflective sort of way. The reason I ques- tioned the publicity end of it, I don't see what purpose that would serve. Senator McClellan. Aside from that, we don't want that kind of men in government. That would be my first reaction. A man in government making remarks like that, it might go to his fitness to continue to serve as a public servant at least. Dr. Morgan. I want to make a statement at the present time. The fact that I am testifying here jeopardizes my own stay in gov- ernment. If I am a government employee a year from now, I will really be amazed. The very fact that I am here giving information and nobody knows what the status of the information is puts me in a position of jeopardy and I would like to make it a matter of 175 record. I am willing to talk and talk freely and give my opinions, but I would like to have it put down. Senator McClellan. Put down. What do you mean? Dr. Morgan. Put down as a matter of record. I have had a de- bate with my conscience ever since last night. Senator Potter. Did you volunteer to appear before the com- mittee? Dr. Morgan. I have expressed the desire to give information which I consider is to the national interest, and I will give informa- tion which is to the national interest and I have no reluctance whatsoever to giving it. Senator Potter. Did you volunteer the information that you have given here? Dr. Morgan. A substantial part of it to staff members of the committee. Senator Potter. Did they elicit that information or did you give it on your own initiative? Dr. Morgan. I volunteered it. Senator Potter. While you may have been subpoenaed Dr. Morgan. Yes, sir. Senator Potter [continuing.] You initially volunteered the infor- mation? Dr. Morgan. Yes, sir. Senator Potter. How long ago? Dr. Morgan. The information was volunteered, oh, during the last six or seven or eight months — since last October, I think. [Off-record discussion.] Senator Potter. When did you first mention it? Dr. Morgan. I think it was in October. Senator Potter. Within a month after the incident actually oc- curred? Dr. Morgan. Something like that. Mr. Surine. To your knowledge, do you know of any projects of liquidation that CIA has engaged in abroad, in a general way? Dr. Morgan. Yes, sir. Mr. Surine. They call them projects? Dr. Morgan. They may use that. Senator Potter. Liquidate men or persons? Dr. Morgan. No, sir, I don't. It is a business I use to lecture on in CIA. I don't know of any liquidation processes going on abroad. Mr. Surine. Either in the past in your experience in intelligence? Dr. Morgan. When men are liquidated in intelligence you must not refer to it, but you don't ask for permission. The minute you ask for permission, it is denied. That is a code. The question of liq- uidation of enemy agents is never referred for official discussion. Senator McClellan. Now, there is one other thing I'd like to make clear here. At the time Mr. Craig had the conversation about McCarthy and penetration of the committee, was he cognizant of possible investigation or had he ever discussed the question of the McCarthy committee investigating CIA? Dr. Morgan. I don't remember accurately. He may very well have because everybody at the time was saying something about it, his investigation, and whether he expressed an opinion pro or con, I don't remember. 176 Senator McClellan. Has there been any personal feelings, quar- rels or misunderstandings between you and Dr. Craig at any time? Dr. Morgan. No, sir. Senator McClellan. No breach in your personal relationship any way at all? Dr. Morgan. No. Senator McClellan. Thank you very much. Senator Potter. Senator, before you leave — I have no other questions to ask Dr. Morgan — I would like to get permission to make public the executive hearing on Major Peress. Senator McClellan. I thought it had been made public already. Senator Potter. We had an open hearing. This is executive, so if there are no objections, this will be made public. Dr. Morgan, we thank you kindly. [Whereupon the hearing adjourned at 5:05 p.m.] [/quote] To be clear this is less a vindication of McCarthy and more a fascinating peephole view into the Agency during the 50s, with some tantalizingly vague references to Huey Long's "liquidation" and some even vaguer allusions to a highly placed pedophile in the ranks (though in typical 50s fashion this is treated as synonymous with being a homosexual). But my God does all of this just come off a bit... differently.... after you've gone full Epstein brain.
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Mariana Horchata posted:someone get me scott borgersons address v excited for whatever this goon project may be
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pancake rabbit posted:uhhhhhhhhhhh in case anyone thought this wasn't real If you go on Google Earth it's not there in recent pictures, but is there in a shot from 2017. It actually does look like it corresponds to some sort of material there that isn't the normal dirt road.  You can see how Hurricane Maria hosed up the island a few months later and it destroyed whatever this area was and his stupid little golden dome on the temple.  and how it was in April of this year:  Now why there seems to be a little trailer at this point who knows.
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so when the fbi raided the island did they transfer his slaves to another billionaire or.............
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well I never, a funny editorial cartoon
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:i think if i saw that today my mind wouldve been less HOLY gently caress and more a restrained, quietly vibrating pinging the pinging is just the sound of your synapses firing all at the same time, cascading in a singular pulsation allover your brain and superheating it all at once until the fissure makes a distinct sharp crack sound.
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Aug 14, 2019 22:01
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Helsing posted:Your brain hasn't truly crack pinged until you start pouring through the loving McCarthy hearing transcripts for poo poo like this: McCarthy supposedly was known around Washington to drunkenly grope women, some clearly underage girls. Al! posted:so when the fbi raided the island did they transfer his slaves to another billionaire or............. Free helicopter rides.
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Aug 14, 2019 22:04
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twoday posted:Bill Cosby lived across the street from Epstein's mansion in New York hth This street is a "thin place" where the sheer amount of suffering has made a wound in spacetime that bleeds out metaphysical curses and crises, like Harrenhal, the ruins of Valyria, or the shadow beyond Asshai
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Aug 14, 2019 22:06
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Helsing posted:To be clear this is less a vindication of McCarthy and more a fascinating peephole view into the Agency during the 50s, with some tantalizingly vague references to Huey Long's "liquidation" Goddamnit I just learned of Huey Long like 2 pages ago and now I find out he
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Aug 14, 2019 22:06
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RobattoJesus posted:This is the most hosed up poo poo about this whole thing. As a goon I'd consider myself a pretty hosed up pervert, but even I can't imagine being remotely attracted to a kid, but apparently it's some kind of super loving common poo poo. teen is the most popular porn category. cheerleaders are a well know and popular fetish. there are tons of movies and tv aand media in general that sexualizes and glorifies high schoolers. as pener pointed out before this aint exactly a hidden aspect of our hosed up culture
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Aug 14, 2019 22:07
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RobattoJesus posted:Goddamnit I just learned of Huey Long like 2 pages ago and now I find out he His assassination has always raised lots of questions beyond the baseline narrative that he was killed by a man whose father was a judge he'd maneuvered out of office or whatever. Like if the ruling class was willing to try the Business Plot on FDR there's no telling what they would have done to a more radical figure like Long who stood a good shot to primary FDR from the left and become president.
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Aug 14, 2019 22:11
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Al! posted:so when the fbi raided the island did they transfer his slaves to another billionaire or............. the child sex slaves were smuggled out via submarine dude cmon keep up
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Aug 14, 2019 22:12
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A Big Fuckin Hornet posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bK8EO07naT8 Haha there was a pedophile delivery service at that hotel and the FBI did nothing
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Aug 14, 2019 22:19
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Taintrunner posted:the child sex slaves were smuggled out via submarine dude cmon keep up child sex slave torpedos built by musk
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Aug 14, 2019 22:24
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Rated PG-34 posted:child sex slave torpedos built by musk Torpedo crashes into a bed of coral after mistaking a nearby dolphin for a speed limit sign
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Aug 14, 2019 22:26
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Musk was experimenting in a number of means to replenish Pedo Island https://twitter.com/MachinePix/status/1037034865823285248?s=20
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Aug 14, 2019 22:28
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Musk was experimenting in a number of means to replenish Pedo Island seems painful
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Aug 14, 2019 22:29
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Musk was experimenting in a number of means to replenish Pedo Island Musk has extreme John "Spared No Expense" vibes, down to the part where he's actually a huge cheapskate
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Aug 14, 2019 22:30
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i know it’s only tangentially related but I got thinking about how an off the cuff comment by Max Clifford, a rather effective “PR / smother that story of you cheating “ publicist , implicated the Clinton’s in something on video they didn’t want people to see he’s dead now, also he did sex crimes too
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RobattoJesus posted:Goddamnit I just learned of Huey Long like 2 pages ago and now I find out he He got the Kennedy treatment, i.e. a lone nut took him out for no real motivation other than personal grandeur or resentment. You wanna talk about weird suicides then look up Gary Webb.
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John Hammond was absolutely a pedophile and he fed the underage girls to the dinosaurs on his jurassic island once they got past a certain age.
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Aug 14, 2019 22:32
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Lastgirl posted:John Hammond was absolutely a pedophile and he fed the underage girls to the dinosaurs on his jurassic island once they got past a certain age. Did Hammond gently caress the dinosaurs? My heart says "yes" but my brain says "crack ping"
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Aug 14, 2019 22:33
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Lastgirl posted:John Hammond was absolutely a pedophile and he fed the underage girls to the dinosaurs on his jurassic island once they got past a certain age. on top of that all of the dinosaurs themselves were female, 1-5 years old
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Aug 14, 2019 22:34
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Lastgirl posted:John Hammond was absolutely a pedophile and he fed the underage girls to the dinosaurs on his jurassic island once they got past a certain age. one of the cryo freezers just out of frame when nedry stole the embryos just said “sex slaves”
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Aug 14, 2019 22:43
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Lastgirl posted:John Hammond was absolutely a pedophile and he fed the underage girls to the dinosaurs on his jurassic island once they got past a certain age. "Spared no expense!"
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Aug 14, 2019 22:44
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Ross DaouThot posted:one of the cryo freezers just out of frame when nedry stole the embryos just said “sex slaves” Growing clone kids to abuse like the Tessier-Ashpools
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Aug 14, 2019 22:48
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Inspector Hound posted:Haha there was a pedophile delivery service at that hotel and the FBI did nothing the Mormons are completely fine with this 
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Dr. Killjoy posted:Musk was experimenting in a number of means to replenish Pedo Island This kills the trout
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StashAugustine posted:Growing clone kids to abuse like the Tessier-Ashpools Epstein 100% fantasized about running a Kwisatz Haderach breeding program but for kids to abuse
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