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Mariana Horchata
Jun 30, 2008

College Slice
lotsa sickos out there

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Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
why do you think all the right wing outlets are pushing a body swap by Trump to prosecute him in safety, because what actually happened is they swapped him because someone powerful enough wants him alive, they're worried about a deadmans switch, or just general rules of the cabal they're all part of, he was in a good mood before his "death" because he knew he was gonna be fine

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
we might never see Jeff again, but he's very much alive

Karl Barks
Jan 21, 1981

Ace of Baes posted:

why do you think all the right wing outlets are pushing a body swap by Trump to prosecute him in safety, because what actually happened is they swapped him because someone powerful enough wants him alive, they're worried about a deadmans switch, or just general rules of the cabal they're all part of, he was in a good mood before his "death" because he knew he was gonna be fine

hmm I don't think so. he's definitely dead

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977

Karl Barks posted:

hmm I don't think so. he's definitely dead

incorrect

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Perry Mason Jar posted:

This is severe Epstein brain. I don't understand it either (I also don't remember anything Cernovich re: Pizzagate) but I don't think concocting a cover up that is made up almost entirely of real things that actually happened is a. something that happens and/or b. some brilliant conspiracy. It's possible that Cernovich just didn't know?

Spergin Morlock posted:

mixing real info with fake poo poo and pushing it to drown out "pure" real poo poo is a standard disinformation tactic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
The photo looks like him to me but given what Igor said I'm now willing to believe he's alive. In either case we'll never know lmao they're going to cremate that body it's already been turned over to an "unidentified associate" (crack! ping!)

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/crime-courts/jeffrey-epstein-s-body-claimed-unidentified-associate-n1042551

AnEdgelord
Dec 12, 2016
Nick Mullen has the best take on this stuff, it doesn't matter whether epstein is alive or dead since either outcome is identical for the purposes of the conspiracy. What matters are the extremely obvious and provable crimes that the criminal network epstein was involved with perpetrated.

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

lmao the elite are using disinfo techniques from the 1970s in the age of never disappearing information. i literally unironically believe that since everyone was keeping journals titled "girls ive flown to pedo island" and "girls ive raped"

FAUXTON
Jun 2, 2005

spero che tu stia bene


they're down to that fat kid now that shitter lady and whoever else hosed off to find their own gravy dick, aren't they?

Lawman 0
Aug 17, 2010

https://twitter.com/cd_hooks/status/1161829496967827457

Ace of Baes
Jul 7, 1977
Corey Feldman exposes the pedophile cabals presence in Hollywood. Barbara Walters responds plea'ing for him to stop "You're damaging an entire industry!".


https://youtu.be/rujeOqadOVQ

hobotrashcanfires
Jul 24, 2013


Eh, assuming anything is certain is a bit silly at this point. Speculating is fine, that's all we got and maybe all we'll ever get.

Start at the baseline of sure, it's possible he killed himself, but it's pretty clear that if he did they worked pretty hard to make sure he could.

If anything falling too far into What Happened To Epstein is what these assholes want now, its a great distraction as everyone spirals off arguing with each other about whatever plausible narrative starts adding up to them.

gently caress Epstein our government should be going after... wait hahaha. We're maybe hosed on this one. Enjoy ya speculation, friends.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

hobotrashcanfires posted:

gently caress Epstein our government should be going after... wait hahaha. We're maybe hosed on this one. Enjoy ya speculation, friends.

whoa

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:

Mariana Horchata posted:

lotsa sickos out there

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"

Ace of Baes posted:

Corey Feldman exposes the pedophile cabals presence in Hollywood. Barbara Walters responds plea'ing for him to stop "You're damaging an entire industry!".


https://youtu.be/rujeOqadOVQ

Everyone itt should watch An Open Secret and this scene from Weeds.

hobotrashcanfires
Jul 24, 2013


Whoops!!

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

black snake prophecy. Ebola worship. Windshield phantom outbreaks. Epstein isn't even breaking the surface

Christoph
Mar 3, 2005

hobotrashcanfires posted:

as everyone spirals off arguing

I don't think it's about if Epstein is alive or dead it's about how far the connections go. That's where the discussion here is mostly at and it's why my brain is lighting up like the inside of a toaster

tylersayten
Mar 20, 2019

by LITERALLY AN ADMIN

Real talk Igor and that reporter are hosed

:smith:

Perry Mason Jar
Feb 24, 2006

"Della? Take a lid"
christ that normalisation of pedophilia is really gonna happen isnt it

Perry Mason Jar has issued a correction as of 04:30 on Aug 15, 2019

The_Rob
Feb 1, 2007

Blah blah blah blah!!

Christoph posted:

I don't think it's about if Epstein is alive or dead it's about how far the connections go. That's where the discussion here is mostly at and it's why my brain is lighting up like the inside of a toaster

yeah this is where I’ve been too. Epstein as a person whoever he is/was largely is a nobody. it’s more exposing that this stuff is legit built into our society and our political system

tpink
Feb 18, 2013

Melman

JFC.

quote:

Let that go. Seriously. Let that go.

Why is it so important? Are you worried about the local cops?

Listen, you’re really smart and I’m not going to offer that over the phone right now, okay? You’re really smart. You have no idea. Please!

What do you mean by that?

I can’t explain you. I can’t explain you over the phone any of this.

You said that last time. And we didn’t talk for years. You can tell the world who this guy was. You were with him for a long time. You know what I mean?

[Silence.]

I totally understand that you think he could have had help committing suicide.

First of all, I have to go right now. I have another client.

Still training people?

Yes. But just be careful. I’m not kidding.

What’s your email so I can send you —

Don’t do any kind of that stuff. Just don’t play it. Seriously.

Can you tell me why?

I can’t. I can’t.

May I ask you one more question?

Go ahead.

Have you been talking to anyone in the government, the FBI? Have they come to you?

[Long pause] Um. Great talking to you. Seriously. We talk later.

Really?

Bye.

hobotrashcanfires
Jul 24, 2013

Christoph posted:

I don't think it's about if Epstein is alive or dead it's about how far the connections go. That's where the discussion here is mostly at and it's why my brain is lighting up like the inside of a toaster

Just cautioning against certainty about any of it beyond yes there is a conspiracy, we know for a fact he was trafficking child prostitutes for himself as well as who knows how many rich and powerful assholes and then was at the very least allowed to suicide before finally facing justice (his laughable "first" conviction and "sentence" only counting in favor of conspiracy).

Pretty good odds nobody is truly held to account in our current paradigm.. So just remember not to fall too far down any of the rabbit holes which certainly start with incredibly real heinous poo poo. Its okay to fall back on not knowing, maybe never knowing about this except for the fact we have no choice but to tear down these fucks and their world of power and give it to the people they treat as fodder.

ross perot in hell
Jul 9, 2019

by VideoGames

hobotrashcanfires posted:

Just cautioning against certainty about any of it beyond yes there is a conspiracy, we know for a fact he was trafficking child prostitutes for himself as well as who knows how many rich and powerful assholes and then was at the very least allowed to suicide before finally facing justice (his laughable "first" conviction and "sentence" only counting in favor of conspiracy).

Pretty good odds nobody is truly held to account in our current paradigm.. So just remember not to fall too far down any of the rabbit holes which certainly start with incredibly real heinous poo poo. Its okay to fall back on not knowing, maybe never knowing about this except for the fact we have no choice but to tear down these fucks and their world of power and give it to the people they treat as fodder.

lol

hobotrashcanfires
Jul 24, 2013


I hope your sword works, bucko.

Rated PG-34
Jul 1, 2004




https://twitter.com/CarolLeonnig/status/1161843444752551937?s=20

Bro Dad
Mar 26, 2010


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...af08_story.html

quote:

An autopsy found that financier Jeffrey Epstein sustained multiple breaks in his neck bones, according to two people familiar with the findings, deepening the mystery about the circumstances around his death.

Among the bones broken in Epstein’s neck was the hyoid bone, which in men is near the Adam’s apple. Such breaks can occur in those who hang themselves, particularly if they are older, according to forensics experts and studies on the subject. But they are more common in victims of homicide by strangulation, the experts said.

The details are the first findings to emerge from the autopsy of Epstein, a convicted sex offender and multimillionaire in federal custody on charges of sex trafficking. He died early Saturday morning after guards found him hanging in his cell at the Metropolitan Correctional Center in Manhattan and he could not be revived.

Attorney General William P. Barr, whose department oversees the Bureau of Prisons facility where Epstein died, has described his death as an “apparent suicide.” Justice officials declined to comment on the new information from Epstein’s autopsy.

The office of New York City’s chief medical examiner, Barbara Sampson, completed an autopsy of Epstein’s body Sunday. But Sampson listed the cause of his death as pending.

Sampson’s office did not comment on the injuries found in the autopsy.

The details add to the bizarre circumstances surrounding Epstein’s death, which have launched a wave of questions and conspiracy theories about how he could have died in federal custody. Even President Trump has egged on speculation, without evidence, that Epstein — whose alleged victims say they were pushed to have sex with his powerful and celebrity friends — might have been killed to keep him from spilling the secrets of others.

The revelation of Epstein’s neck injuries follows reports that officers at the Metropolitan Correctional Center broke protocol and failed to properly monitor him.

Corrections officers had not checked on Epstein for “several” hours before he was found hanging in his cell, a person familiar with the matter said, one of a series of missteps in the hours leading up to his death.

Veteran prosecutors and law enforcement officials were shocked that one of the most high-profile inmates in the country wasn’t more carefully watched. Barr said over the weekend he was “appalled” at serious “irregularities” in jail protocol, and later transferred the jail warden to another facility.

People familiar with the autopsy, who spoke on the condition of anonymity due to the sensitive stage of the investigation, said Sampson’s office is seeking additional information on Epstein’s condition in the hours before his death. That could include video evidence of the jail hallways, which may establish whether anyone entered Epstein’s cell during the night he died; results of a toxicology screening to determine if there was any unusual substance in his body; and interviews with guards and inmates who were near his cell.

Jonathan L. Arden, president of the National Association of Medical Examiners, said a hyoid can be broken in many circumstances, but is more commonly associated with homicidal strangulation than suicidal hanging.

Arden, who was not involved in the Epstein autopsy, said that in general, a finding of a broken hyoid requires pathologists to conduct more extensive investigation. That investigation can include analysis of the location of the noose, how narrow the noose is, and if the body experienced any substantial drop in the course of the hanging.

The age of the deceased is also important, Arden said. The hyoid starts out as three small bones with joint-like connections but hardens during middle age into a u-shape that can break more easily.

“If, hypothetically, the hyoid bone is broken, that would generally raise questions about strangulation, but it is not definitive and does not exclude suicidal hanging,” he said.

A handful of studies conducted over the past decade have produced conflicting results about the likelihood of a hyoid break in a suicide. In a study of 20 suicidal hangings in Thailand, published in 2010, one fourth of the men who hanged themselves had broken hyoids. In a larger study of suicidal hangings of young-adults and middle-aged people in India, conducted from 2010 to 2013, hyoid damage was found in just 16 of 264 cases, or six percent. The study addressed the discrepancies in academic reviews, saying wide variations in findings of hyoid breaks are “possibly due to factors like age of the victim, weight of the victim, type of suspension and height of suspension.”

Hyoid fractures have previously sparked controversy in jailhouse and other contentious deaths.

In 2008, Ronnie L. White, a teenager accused of killing a police officer, died of an apparent suicide in a suburban Washington jail cell. But two days later, the cause of death was changed to homicide when a Maryland state medical examiner discovered the teen had a broken hyoid.

The incident fanned racial tension and fueled conspiracy theories about the suspect’s death in Prince George’s County, Md.

Medical examiners concluded White was probably strangled with a sheet, towel or “crux of the elbow.” The officer who moved his body pleaded guilty to obstruction. But no one was ever charged in White’s death. A federal judge said in 2013 that it remained a mystery whether the inmate was slain or took his own life.

The hyoid bone played a central role in a heated dispute last year over another high-profile death in New York, that of Eric Garner. A New York police officer was accused of using an improper chokehold while trying to arrest Garner and of causing his death. A police officers’ association claimed that an autopsy from Sampson’s office found there was no break of Garner’s hyoid bone, and that this proved that the officer could not have strangled Garner and caused his death.

This “demonstrates conclusively that Mr. Garner did not die of strangulation of the neck from a chokehold,” the Patrolmen’s Benevolent Association said.

But Sampson rejected that claim, saying she stood by her conclusion that Garner died of “compression of neck (chokehold), compression of chest and prone positioning during physical restraint by police.” Sampson’s office said Garner’s bronchial asthma, obesity and high blood pressure were contributing factors.

In a widely circulated video of the 2014 incident, the officer was seen grabbing Garner around the neck, pushing him and his face into the pavement. Garner is overheard pleading several times: “I can’t breathe.”

Two weeks later, Sampson’s office concluded the officer’s actions were the primary cause of his death.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012



cue another couple dozen media freaks assuring us all that nope it was in fact suicide

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013


yeah ok, have fun with the body Mr. uh, Tulane Maxim?

Ghislaine Maxwell in a trenchcoat and fake moustache: yes, thank you. the family will be pleased to pay their respects.

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

maybe he had a very weak hyoid. or maybe he was very fat (prison food)

Al!
Apr 2, 2010

:coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot::coolspot:
pretty hardcore strangling himself with his own hands

Lastgirl
Sep 7, 1997


Good Morning!
Sunday Morning!
pendant conspiracist:] how can screams be heard from the jail cell he was in if he was being strangled to death :magemage:

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Wraith of J.O.I. posted:

cue another couple dozen media freaks assuring us all that nope it was in fact suicide

The sheer scale and reach of the conspiracy really is breathtaking, when they're providing talking points to both liberal and right wing influencers & media.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Pener Kropoopkin posted:

The sheer scale and reach of the conspiracy really is breathtaking, when they're providing talking points to both liberal and right wing influencers & media.

ghislaine soon to become yet the latest maxwell to die in a boating accident

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


Al! posted:

pretty hardcore strangling himself with his own hands

with thin rear end bed sheets, on his loving knees pushing his neck forward


gently caress


crack ping

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

isnt the official story that he leaned forward from a kneeling position to hang himself? i guess his neck was made of glass

Finicums Wake
Mar 13, 2017
Probation
Can't post for 8 years!

Tingfinder posted:

Starting to think that people like...MLK...were killed.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Francis_Pepper

pepper is an attorney who taught (teaches?) law at oxford, and who knew MLK during the last few years of his life. he had written an article about vietnam that MLK came across, which so moved him that he contacted peppers. that's how they first met.

about ten years after MLK was assassinated, a guy who was a leader in the civil rights movement, ralph abernathy, contacted peppers and asked him to sit down and interview james earl ray, the alleged assassin. peppers studied up on the case, then sat down for a five-hour interview with ray, alongside ray's lawyer and a body language specialist who observed ray and took notes.

after the interview, pepper and abernathy were convinced that james earl ray wasn't the shooter. pepper investigated the case for another ten years, which convinced him that james earl ray was a patsy. pepper then became his lawyer, in 1988. for the next ten years, pepper tried to get the guy an actual trial. he had initial just plead guilty under pressure, lies and, arguably, bribery from the police. he had never had a real trial.

the story of pepper's attempts to get ray a trial, and what ended up happening are pretty wild. it got to the point where mlk's family was calling for ray to have a real trial. then pepper ended up representing the king family in a civil wrongful death suit, which they won.

here's an transcription of a speech where pepper sums all of this up:
https://ratical.org/ratville/JFK/WFP020403.html

Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

thats like stubbing your toe so hard your toe explodes

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Calibanibal
Aug 25, 2015

thats like a g*ddamn dwarf fortress death

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