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Canna Happy posted:You could pull it all out and slap it in a larger case. The 4770 is going to be a lot faster than that Xeon you linked. I’m probably just gonna bite the bullet and build a rig, I wanted to do it super cheap and easy and clearly I’d be compromising on too much to have a good time with it. That desktop is getting some use as a dedicated WoW machine for my wife since her MacBook Pro is getting a bit long in the tooth. I honestly regret not keeping up on PC stuff enough that I feel out of my element for what’s a good PC these days. So I’ll probably put a PC part picker thing together and ask for more advice as I go! Macichne Leainig fucked around with this message at 02:19 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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Need recomendat6ion for a usb c 3.1 hub with at least 20" cable and one or two c ports on the hub itself. So far i can find short ones for laptops, or ones with long cable and A ports on the business end.
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Aug 14, 2019 02:34
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Well im looking to upgrade to a ryzen 3600 system in about 6 months but im getting tired of the lack of space on my 256gb ssd! Im planning on getting a nvme ssd for that system. My main question is simply will a nvme work with my current mobo. To my understanding it should but just run slower than the advertised speed since its only a gen 2. Or am i way off on this? My current mobo is this Looking at this ssd
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Aug 14, 2019 03:09
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Out of curiosity, is Windows Boot Manager supposed to be the first in the load order? Seems like my initial post time takes quite a bit at around 30 seconds or so.
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Aug 14, 2019 04:09
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grimcreaper posted:Out of curiosity, is Windows Boot Manager supposed to be the first in the load order? Seems like my initial post time takes quite a bit at around 30 seconds or so. To speed up boot times you can enable fast boot in the bios and manually set RAM timings and subtimings. But, setting that stuff is real tedious. You can view what it automatically does in Ryzen Master Utility from Windows, or you can try to overclock with the Ryzen DRAM Calculator. Khorne fucked around with this message at 04:30 on Aug 14, 2019 |
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Aug 14, 2019 04:28
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Khorne posted:Boot times are really slow and motherboard updates should eventually fix it. Awesome thanks for the info, glad I hadn't done something stupid. From post to windows in about 4 to 5 seconds is really nice with nvme though.
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What country are you in? - UK What are you using the system for? Web and Office? Gaming? Video or photo editing? Professional creative or scientific computing? - Gaming (lots of MMO's while also browsing on 2nd monitor), programming work What's your budget? We usually specify for just the computer itself (plus Windows), but if you also need monitor/mouse/whatever, just say so. up to 2 grand easily, I know even what i'm at is probably overkill If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution? How fancy do you want your graphics, from “it runs” to “Ultra preset as fast as possible”? 1440p Gsync monitor, High/Ultra graphics at 60-100FPS Just wanted a sanity check on the below build, especially toing and froing about the memory as I know you can do a lot of tuning apparently with Ryzen PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor (£314.95 @ AWD-IT) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 82.5 CFM CPU Cooler (£78.26 @ CCL Computers) Motherboard: MSI MPG X570 GAMING PLUS ATX AM4 Motherboard (£179.97 @ Box Limited) Memory: G.Skill Trident Z RGB 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory (£116.59 @ Amazon UK) Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£141.99 @ Box Limited) Storage: ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive (£141.99 @ Box Limited) Video Card: EVGA GeForce RTX 2070 SUPER 8 GB FTW3 ULTRA GAMING Video Card (£599.59 @ Overclockers.co.uk) Case: Fractal Design Meshify C ATX Mid Tower Case (£79.45 @ More Computers) Power Supply: SeaSonic FOCUS SGX 650 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular SFX Power Supply (£129.95 @ Amazon UK) Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12A PWM 120 mm Fan (£20.47 @ CCL Computers) Case Fan: Noctua NF-S12A PWM 120 mm Fan (£20.47 @ CCL Computers) Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan (£21.48 @ CCL Computers) Case Fan: Noctua NF-A14 PWM 82.5 CFM 140 mm Fan (£21.48 @ CCL Computers) Total: £1866.64 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 13:53 BST+0100
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Aug 14, 2019 13:55
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Here I am trying to avoid settling on a single color theme but god drat if black chrome and royal blue don't look loving spiffy as hell
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Aug 14, 2019 14:26
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Ak Gara posted:Here I am trying to avoid settling on a single color theme but god drat if black chrome and royal blue don't look loving spiffy as hell Can you find some gold stuff to stick in it? Black, blue and gold would be very cool, I think.
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Aug 14, 2019 15:43
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Protocol7 posted:Can you find some gold stuff to stick in it? Black, blue and gold would be very cool, I think. Annoyingly I can only find 2 parts that have the black chrome / royal blue mix. The multi link fitting and the multi link 90. I can't find the 90 rotary. Their True Brass looks good, even better when mixed with their Carbon Black.  
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Aug 14, 2019 16:28
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Stormgale posted:What country are you in? - UK Any reason you've gone for an SFX PSU? Seems unnecessarily expensive in that size of case.
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Aug 14, 2019 16:51
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Ak Gara posted:Annoyingly I can only find 2 parts that have the black chrome / royal blue mix. The multi link fitting and the multi link 90. I can't find the 90 rotary. Black and gold fittings with blue fluid?
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Aug 14, 2019 17:09
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Lungboy posted:Any reason you've gone for an SFX PSU? Seems unnecessarily expensive in that size of case. That was probably actually a misclick, I was looking for the seasonic gold 650w and I must have grabbed that one instead of the ATX, thanks
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Aug 14, 2019 17:11
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Protocol7 posted:Black and gold fittings with blue fluid? One of the reasons I've been trying to avoid tying myself to a single color theme is I plan on using colorless liquid to let my DRGB reflect through them. Otherwise I'd go black chrome tubing.
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Aug 14, 2019 17:18
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Please post here when you are done. It seems like that build is going to look amazing.
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What country are you in? US What are you using the system for? Gaming, with some light video editing What's your budget? Trying to keep it <=$1000 If you're gaming, what is your monitor resolution? Currently 1080p High, aiming to make this a 4K 60FPS high build with a new GPU in a future upgrade So I'm still rocking a rapidly aging Intel 2500K build and stuff is starting to break down (I had a stick of RAM start to fail last month for example). Since this one has served me well for 8+ years I'm hoping this new build will do the same. I'm mostly looking to see if this all makes sense or if I need to revisit anything. I also don't know how good the AMD Wraith Spire cooler that comes with the current Ryzen chips is. Is it good enough for light/moderate OC or do I need to get a new fan? PCPartPicker Part List CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 3700X 3.6 GHz 8-Core Processor ($348.74 @ B&H) CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-U9S 46.44 CFM CPU Cooler ($63.54 @ Amazon) Motherboard: ASRock X570M Pro4 Micro ATX AM4 Motherboard ($186.08 @ Newegg) Memory: *Crucial Ballistix Elite 16 GB (2 x 8 GB) DDR4-3600 Memory ($158.98 @ Adorama) Storage: Samsung 970 Evo Plus 1 TB M.2-2280 NVME Solid State Drive ($240.73 @ Amazon) Storage: Seagate Barracuda 2 TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($91.12 @ Walmart) Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 970 4 GB SSC ACX 2.0+ Video Card (Carried over from existing build- planning to hold GPU upgrade until the next Nvidia generation comes out and hopefully makes 4K 60FPS possible at something less than the top tier.) Power Supply: Corsair RMx 550 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (Carried over from existing build) Total: $1089.19 Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available *Lowest price parts chosen from parametric criteria Generated by PCPartPicker 2019-08-14 16:18 EDT-0400
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So my buddy with the bad 5700xt is ready to move on, but isn't interested in picking up an aib model. Right now he's looking at an 2070S FE, as it's the only one he can find at $500. Any reason not to go with that / anything else to consider? Targeting 1440/144, paired with a 3600. He's not especially price sensitive (though not willing to go much above $500) but I can't stand the idea of not getting a good deal.
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macnbc posted:What's your budget? Trying to keep it <=$1000 The bundled Wraith is good enough. The Noctua should be quieter and keep your temps down a little more, but you won't melt through your case if you stick with the Wraith.
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Man this new PC build has been so frustrating. If anyone recalls, I was having problems with my new build constantly locking up if I didn't have "GaMeR MoDe" turned on in the BIOS. It was suspected it was my RAM or my Windows install but after a month of troubleshooting I determined I had a bum motherboard. I received my new Gigabyte motherboard to replace my defective MSI motherboard. Finally Windows 10 no longer hard-locks, and I don't need to overclock my CPU just to get Windows to run for more than a day. But as is typical for me, I now I have a new issue and it's driving me mad. I couldn't get this new motherboard to boot at first and I took each part out one by one. It turns out it will not boot if I have this card installed:  It's a DELL PERC H310; basically it's just a card that lets me hook up 8 hard drives to it. Here is my new motherboard, and the yellow circle is where I am trying to plug this card in:  I am scratching my head as to why my new build will not POST with the card in that slot. Comparing it to my defective motherboard that booted just fine with the card plugged in, the only difference I can discern is that my old motherboard's slot was it's "own" PCI slot and not "related" to the graphics card. I am guessing my issue is that this new motherboard only has two PCI slots and both of them are meant for video cards? Is it really the case that I cannot use this card with this motherboard? Sorry if these are stupid questions; my last build was from 2011 and I kind of figured PCI stuff didn't change much. Do I need to buy a more expensive motherboard with a 3rd PCI slot on it or something?
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:Man this new PC build has been so frustrating. If anyone recalls, I was having problems with my new build constantly locking up if I didn't have "GaMeR MoDe" turned on in the BIOS. It was suspected it was my RAM or my Windows install but after a month of troubleshooting I determined I had a bum motherboard. I received my new Gigabyte motherboard to replace my defective MSI motherboard. Finally Windows 10 no longer hard-locks, and I don't need to overclock my CPU just to get Windows to run for more than a day. But as is typical for me, I now I have a new issue and it's driving me mad. Looking at the manual for that board it looks like that second PCIe slot is really an x4 slot and that Controller requires x8.
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Scruff McGruff posted:Looking at the manual for that board it looks like that second PCIe slot is really an x4 slot and that Controller requires x8. Looking through every single ATX motherboard I can find on Amazon it looks like I managed to buy the single solitary one that does not have an 8x slot (and the single solitary one that has a regular PCI slot which I cannot find on any other motherboard). Hooray, I get to swap for my 3rd motherboard this month!  I'm assuming this one would work? https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07HRZRBRJ  (thanks by the way) Chumbawumba4ever97 fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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I have a x570 Aorus ITX and plan on only using one NVMe drive (MP510) and no other SATA drives or anything, does it really matter which slot I put it in?quote:Integrated in the CPU (M2A_SOCKET): Haven't built a computer since my trusty 2500K years ago, so I'm not entirely clear on CPU lanes versus Chipset lanes, etc
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ItBreathes posted:So my buddy with the bad 5700xt is ready to move on, but isn't interested in picking up an aib model. Right now he's looking at an 2070S FE, as it's the only one he can find at $500. Any reason not to go with that / anything else to consider? Targeting 1440/144, paired with a 3600. He's not especially price sensitive (though not willing to go much above $500) but I can't stand the idea of not getting a good deal. My friend bought one and loves it. The cooler is very solid and I think they look nice too.
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It doesn't bother me in the least but why are motherboards these days "only" coming with 4 RAM slots? Just asking because 6 seemed to be standard for the longest time. Just curious if there's some cool nerdy technical reason for it or something.
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:It doesn't bother me in the least but why are motherboards these days "only" coming with 4 RAM slots? Just asking because 6 seemed to be standard for the longest time. Just curious if there's some cool nerdy technical reason for it or something. I would guess improved RAM density per stick compared to earlier years and people use quad channel ram at the most for consumer boards.
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ah makes sense, thanks. Yeah I was pretty impressed with being able to get 64GB of RAM for under $200. I remember paying $150 for 32MB. 
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:It doesn't bother me in the least but why are motherboards these days "only" coming with 4 RAM slots? Just asking because 6 seemed to be standard for the longest time. Just curious if there's some cool nerdy technical reason for it or something. I can't remember a modern consumer motherboard that had six RAM slots.
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Dead Goon posted:I can't remember a modern consumer motherboard that had six RAM slots. Really? My MSI X58A-GD65 and ECS X58B-A2 both did.
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Aug 15, 2019 19:13
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What can I say, they don't now?
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:Really? My MSI X58A-GD65 and ECS X58B-A2 both did. The first gen core i-whatever series of CPUs and chipsets supported triple channel memory, but they switched to dual channel for second gen and on. There's quad channel with 4 or 8 RAM slots in the extreme edition stuff but it's a bit more expensive.
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:Really? My MSI X58A-GD65 and ECS X58B-A2 both did. Rexxed posted:The first gen core i-whatever series of CPUs and chipsets supported triple channel memory, but they switched to dual channel for second gen and on. There's quad channel with 4 or 8 RAM slots in the extreme edition stuff but it's a bit more expensive. orcane fucked around with this message at 19:42 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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ah OK, I didn't know they switched from triple to dual channel, that answers my question then  I am surprised those were considered high-end motherboards and not consumer-grade because I usually buy the cheapest garbage I can afford at the time Dead Goon posted:What can I say, they don't now? I somehow missed where your post said "modern", my bad. lol
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:Man this new PC build has been so frustrating. If anyone recalls, I was having problems with my new build constantly locking up if I didn't have "GaMeR MoDe" turned on in the BIOS. It was suspected it was my RAM or my Windows install but after a month of troubleshooting I determined I had a bum motherboard. I received my new Gigabyte motherboard to replace my defective MSI motherboard. Finally Windows 10 no longer hard-locks, and I don't need to overclock my CPU just to get Windows to run for more than a day. But as is typical for me, I now I have a new issue and it's driving me mad. There are some pins you need to tape over on the card.. https://yannickdekoeijer.blogspot.com/2012/04/modding-dell-perc-6-sas-raidcontroller.html?m=1
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:ah makes sense, thanks. Yeah I was pretty impressed with being able to get 64GB of RAM for under $200. I remember paying $150 for 32MB. I once paid £30 for 1/2mb for my A500. Good times.
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HalloKitty posted:There are some pins you need to tape over on the card.. I totally forgot about this. Holy crap. Is it still a waste of time to try it on this motherboard though since it's X4 and the card is apparently X8? Lungboy posted:I once paid £30 for 1/2mb for my A500. Good times. I never really saw an Amiga here in the states so I wikipedia'd it a bit ans then checked out a Youtube video and man I can't believe how incredible some of the games looked for such an old system Chumbawumba4ever97 fucked around with this message at 00:54 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 00:42
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:I totally forgot about this. Holy crap.
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:I totally forgot about this. Holy crap. The card will have lower peak performance numbers than it would in an x8 slot, but it should still work. I doubt any end user workload is going to be coming near what the controller can do anyway, so I'd be surprised if you noticed a difference. It also only costs you some electrical tape to try it.
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I'm just worried about the electrical tape getting stuck in the motherboard, but if it spares me from having to buy a different motherboard and I won't even notice a speed difference, it's worth a shot. Thanks so much!
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Chumbawumba4ever97 posted:I'm just worried about the electrical tape getting stuck in the motherboard, but if it spares me from having to buy a different motherboard and I won't even notice a speed difference, it's worth a shot. Thanks so much! Don't use black vinyl electrical tape for covering contacts as it will absolutely 100% get stuck and tear the gently caress out of your motherboard, use Kapton tape. It's really really thin, you'll need something like an exacto knife to cut it accurately, and it will block electricity from flowing between the contacts. It was invented to insulate electrical stuff from potentially short-circuiting on the trip to space. orange juche fucked around with this message at 12:52 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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orange juche posted:Don't use black vinyl electrical tape for covering contacts as it will absolutely 100% get stuck and tear the gently caress out of your motherboard, use Kapton tape. It's really really thin, you'll need something like an exacto knife to cut it accurately, and it will block electricity from flowing between the contacts. I've just finished modding my Gameboy Color with a backlit screen and just so happen to have some of that! I would have not even thought to use it. Thank you! EoRaptor posted:The card will have lower peak performance numbers than it would in an x8 slot, but it should still work. I doubt any end user workload is going to be coming near what the controller can do anyway, so I'd be surprised if you noticed a difference. OK thank you. I was thinking maybe the motherboard detected an x8 card in an x4 slot or something and refused to boot based on that or something. Chumbawumba4ever97 fucked around with this message at 13:43 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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