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Gin posted:Eternals are a terrible value proposition and I'll buy none. There's list of all the achievements for champions and it's one unique + 2 generic ones per champion. The unique ones are usually the kill/hit with X ability kind. This took a lot of time to develop apparently.
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Aug 14, 2019 22:52
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There's a garen mini-rework coming down the pipe in a few patches; basically shifting a bunch of power from his W and villain mechanic and into things that actually make sense instead https://twitter.com/MarkYetter/status/1161369919776157697 Seems pretty rad to me as someone who's been spamming garen a fair bit lately, the spin2win scaling off attack speed and dealing on-hit effects is huge (a brawler who can actually use conqueror wow woah)
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Aug 14, 2019 22:59
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Gunslingers are really strong right now, huh?
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Aug 14, 2019 23:31
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inthesto posted:Gunslingers are really strong right now, huh? They were always pretty good, just bugged for a little while. They're a great pick but also everyone picks them so they're always taken.
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Aug 14, 2019 23:54
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New Panth seems fun, wish I could pick the direction I come in from with the ult like a Victor E or rumble ult. Would let you come from behind an enemy team and smash through them toward your own team. I guess you can do that you just have to behind the enemy team when you initiate the jump.
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Aug 15, 2019 00:11
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Monicro posted:There's a garen mini-rework coming down the pipe in a few patches; basically shifting a bunch of power from his W and villain mechanic and into things that actually make sense instead this poo poo sucks and is a huge problem with riots design process. garen is a 45-year old champion literally in the best place he's ever been and some loving dumbass at riot thinks its gonna be really cool when they gently caress him up and make him completely unplayable or oppressive and then completely unplayable "move to an early game bully power curve" for one of the biggest lane bullies 1-6 in the entire loving game yeah great choices there Verviticus fucked around with this message at 00:30 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 00:27
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I will always mourn the loss of Teleport+Revive AP Pantheon in URF mode...  Being able to permanently remove an opponent from the game was the most fun thing imaginable.
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Aug 15, 2019 00:34
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Verviticus posted:this poo poo sucks and is a huge problem with riots design process. garen is a 45-year old champion literally in the best place he's ever been and some loving dumbass at riot thinks its gonna be really cool when they gently caress him up and make him completely unplayable or oppressive and then completely unplayable A ton of builds + jungling being made viable, being able to hurt tanks at all as a juggernaut lategame, and the ult not having a 1-in-5 chance of being not garbage is good imo
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Aug 15, 2019 00:56
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the ult was never garbage, garen has literally always been able to hurt tanks with the ridiculous amount of shred he ends up putting on them, and another jungler with nothing but a mediocre clear and a pathetic run-at-you-silence is not inherently good for the game ahhh finally i can do my epic bork garen build.... the game is soooo much better for this for some reason aatrox and akali are still unbalanceable pieces of poo poo but i definitely have trust that riot will somehow not turn garen into a 35% win rate champion 6 hours after some silver dumbass finds out that shiv/zephyr garen is unstoppable Verviticus fucked around with this message at 01:08 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 01:02
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wake up granpa zephyr isnt in the game for years but i agree, garens in a good spot and they're gonna ruin it
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Aug 15, 2019 01:08
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i miss zephyr i was the only one who built it
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Aug 15, 2019 01:13
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riot heard that a champion was fun and sent the rework police
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Aug 15, 2019 01:18
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hey guys check out my epic chogath rework removed feast's ability to give max hp made e scale off crit chance (crit = more spikes crit damage = bigger spikes) w now teleports you forward if you land 17 qs on scuttlecrab you become Big Papa Chogath with the ability to teleport into the enemy fountain voice lines: 'i am hungry... epically' 'i hunger... with epicness' 'borderlands 2 was a good game guys really'
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Aug 15, 2019 01:21
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I don't understand the argument that they shouldn't rework him because he's decent at this particular moment, dude still has an ult that's strictly worse than almost all of the other execute ults in the game atm (pyke, darius, veigar, etc), has a large amount of his damage locked behind a passive that's essentially RNG, can't use the best fighter keystone in the game that his peers build almost unanimously, and so on. I like garen a lot but the dude's kit is wony as gently caress and a small facelift is very good for him imo (and they're not removing anything other than his ult passive which, again, sucked poo poo in practice) Also like half the changes were directly suggested by a challenger garen OTP, here's his video on it if you're curious enough https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=smddRCXQDJo Monicro fucked around with this message at 01:42 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 01:25
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because 90% of the time when riot reworks a champion they ruin them completely remember when swain had an identity
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Aug 15, 2019 01:29
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They made swain from a boring as poo poo bird guy into my favorite champion in the video game, reworks are good as hell e: except akali and galio. the only 2 bad reworks
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Aug 15, 2019 01:31
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do we count the fifteen ryze and morde reworks in that? also idk probably because im enjoying garen atm
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Aug 15, 2019 01:34
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Monicro posted:They made swain from a boring as poo poo bird guy into my favorite champion in the video game, reworks are good as hell
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Aug 15, 2019 02:47
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Yeah that rewok was pretty bad too, thankfully they turned him into a good champion a few months ago
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Aug 15, 2019 02:51
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TFT Jayce isnt regaining mana after he ults. Is that intended? e: I guess it's a shapeshifter thing. can't say I've ever seen Nidalee or Elise switch back to human form the hextech trait is cool and I like Jinx and Camille isaboo fucked around with this message at 03:36 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 03:12
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Monicro posted:There's a garen mini-rework coming down the pipe in a few patches; basically shifting a bunch of power from his W and villain mechanic and into things that actually make sense instead lots of goofy stuff and ultimately vervs analysis is on point. compound this with your ability to heal more effectively(as a lane bully you are most likely to have health advantage so this is nearly always a buff) and his early game has been immensely simplified. i am not sure this is at all necessary balance wise and while i appreciate the nod to build theory crafters this seems misguided. Monicro posted:I don't understand the argument that they shouldn't rework him because he's decent at this particular moment, dude still has an ult that's strictly worse than almost all of the other execute ults in the game atm (pyke, darius, veigar, etc), has a large amount of his damage locked behind a passive that's essentially RNG, can't use the best fighter keystone in the game that his peers build almost unanimously, and so on. Endorph posted:because 90% of the time when riot reworks a champion they ruin them completely
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Aug 15, 2019 03:27
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Re: the garen changes. Are there other characters that have on-hits proc on an AOE ability? I know AD aoe casters grab cleaver since any physical damage procs cleaver passive, but I dont think any of them can use an on-hit item. I'm not looking forward to some hyper carry garen getting ahead in lane and going conqueror with cleaver/wits end/deaths dance and just aoe shredding entire teams mid game.
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pog boyfriend posted:garens ult being worse is irrelevant because no champion is built in a vacuum. garen is more mobile than darius and not an assassin or ranged mage like pyke or veigar. these arguments do not hold up to scrutiny because all champions are not required to build the same things, and balancing champion design on keystones seems like a poor idea. furthermore, i agree about revenge. it is a bad and silly mechanic. Of course, but I don't think the power budget argument alone entirely justifies when the rest of his kit is fairly underwhelming as well. A ton of his power is wrapped up in his W, and while the resistances are really nice on paper especially lategame it feels strange and awkward for a champion who's essentially a quasi-assassin in lategame teamfights to have so much power wrapped up in his ability to tank damage (though admittedly it does allow him to get to his target a bit more consitently),and why I think taking power out of it and into his other abilities is a good idea. Additionally, I'm not trying to argue "the changes are good because garen should be able to build X good item/keystone", I'm arguing that a big reason garen has been historically worse than his bruiser/juggernauts peers is that his kit prohibits him from taking many of the items/runes that have been historically good on them, and doesn't give him much in the way of alternative options besides being a decent Predator user Obviously I seem to be in the minority here and that's fine but I definitely think the changes clean up a lot of the weird idiosynchracies of his kit that haven't done much except hold him back to this point  e: vvv that's all fair yea Monicro fucked around with this message at 04:16 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 03:58
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Monicro posted:Of course, but I don't think the power budget argument alone entirely justifies when the rest of his kit is fairly underwhelming as well. A ton of his power is wrapped up in his W, and while the resistances are really nice on paper especially lategame it feels strange and awkward for a champion who's essentially a quasi-assassin in lategame teamfights to have so much power wrapped up in his ability to tank damage (though admittedly it does allow him to get to his target a bit more consitently),and why I think taking power out of it and into his other abilities is a good idea. Additionally, I'm not trying to argue "the changes are good because garen should be able to build X good item/keystone", I'm arguing that a big reason garen has been historically worse than his bruiser/juggernauts peers is that his kit prohibits him from taking many of the items/runes that have been historically good on them, and doesn't give him much in the way of alternative options besides being a decent Predator user yeah and i like the intent behind this, the problem is this proposed rework replaces jank with jank. this attack speed stuff? weird. its weird. their rebalance has an unintended side effect as well of making his early game even more pronounced which is going to make a lot of people miserable if the rework ends up being a net buff, resulting in people clamouring for garen nerfs and creating poor experience. the execution seems sloppy to me
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Aug 15, 2019 04:09
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yeah new swain is insainly cool, but I love tanky short range ap champs so im probably just a weirdlord i got him a lot in aram and now im THE mid lane pain, swain main, aka Fat Mike aka Big Thiccit Michael T.
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Verv it's the same loving thing as Pantheon, you know you're not gonna win. The must change thing that worked fine before is like a core design philosophy at this point, because we need more ~skill expression~ in champs with simple kits I wonder how they'll invariably gently caress up poo poo like Yi or Wukong
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Servaetes posted:Verv it's the same loving thing as Pantheon, you know you're not gonna win. The must change thing that worked fine before is like a core design philosophy at this point, because we need more ~skill expression~ in champs with simple kits This is to make sure you're truly immersed and can feel just how dizzying it is to be wukong!
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Aug 15, 2019 07:16
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Monicro posted:Also like half the changes were directly suggested by a challenger garen OTP, Monicro posted:Additionally, I'm not trying to argue "the changes are good because garen should be able to build X good item/keystone", I'm arguing that a big reason garen has been historically worse than his bruiser/juggernauts peers is that his kit prohibits him from taking many of the items/runes that have been historically good on them, and doesn't give him much in the way of alternative options besides being a decent Predator user pog boyfriend posted:furthermore, i agree about revenge. it is a bad and silly mechanic. its not great but its really good at shifting his power in a way that lets them overcompensate with tankiness because the chances of the villain being the guy he wants to kill is like 50/50 Verviticus fucked around with this message at 09:22 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 08:29
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grasp on garen sucks actually, especially in the roles god intended him to play (mid and bot), and you should run predator instead if you aren't a scared rear end bitch
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Aug 15, 2019 10:01
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Monicro posted:e: except akali and galio. the only 2 bad reworks Bitch, what about Poppy and Sion?! Both used to be able to oneshot ADCs without skillshots. Bad reworks.
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The Mash posted:Bitch, what about Poppy and Sion?! Both used to be able to oneshot ADCs without skillshots. Bad reworks. Sion can still one-shot ADCs if you build lethality on him like any reasonable person ungulateman posted:grasp on garen sucks actually, especially in the roles god intended him to play (mid and bot), and you should run predator instead if you aren't a scared rear end bitch more or less
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Aug 15, 2019 11:53
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Anyway Riot's reworks have almost exclusively been great and they're gonna come for YOUR favorite champion to make them good next and I'm gonna cheer
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Monicro posted:Anyway Riot's reworks have almost exclusively been great and they're gonna come for YOUR favorite champion to make them good next and I'm gonna cheer They already came for Morgana but iirc she stayed basically the same while all the crazy rework stuff was done to her sister.
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Aug 15, 2019 12:23
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Monicro posted:Anyway Riot's reworks have almost exclusively been great and they're gonna come for YOUR favorite champion to make them good next and I'm gonna cheer  a lot of those champions have either had to be reverted or became despised and completely unbalanceable in the long-term directly because of the state their mini-reworks put them in. off the top of my head, Zac, LeBlanc, Rengar all got explicit reverts, Kog'Maw got a revert although that was on a later change that for some reason isn't considered a mini-rework but really should have been, Corki and Graves are both constant balance nightmares if they're at all playable and thus generally have to be made not playable, same for all the juggernauts except old Morde which was a problem for other reasons. i'm sure people will be able to name half a dozen other times where they did some mini-update and it all went to hell. more of riot's large-scale reworks have turned out well than not but they have a high hit rate all things considered when it comes to loving things up badly when they get into tinkering mode like this
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Aug 15, 2019 12:32
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I used to straight up one trick morg when I wanted to win back in the days of runes (I used movespeed Quints). I've disliked almost every change they've made to her and rarely play her now.
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Aug 15, 2019 12:57
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Predator Garen seems more like an extremely stupid rear end silver gimmick than grasp but I'm not really a Garen player at all Like sure it would be funny, but not good, like rushing an iEdge on him
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Aug 15, 2019 12:59
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Pred is not that great in most match-ups for him yeah.
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Aug 15, 2019 13:03
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Monicro posted:Anyway Riot's reworks have almost exclusively been great and they're gonna come for YOUR favorite champion to make them good next and I'm gonna cheer
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my favorite champion was graves back when he was an aoe marksman with some beefyness to him instead of a useless piece of poo poo who just runs in a circle autoattacking golem for five minutes then dashes two inches forward into a pyke ult and dies instantly for his ganks, and is only a jungler because hes so laughably useless that the role that lets him see enemies the least is the only one that works for him, and hes been like this for five years even when hes good he doesnt feel good to play and riot literally said that if the rework removed graves from the botlane, they'd revert it, because they wanted him to be an adc it removed him from the botlane they didnt revert it
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