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Qwertycoatl posted:Since Alastair Campbell got kicked out for voting libdem, would the rules allow expelling an MP who voted against Labour in a confidence motion? A lot of the enforcement is political though, so I guess someone with enough friends might get away with it. Does anyone actually like Tom Watson? E: really? Like half my posts this month have paid the cat tax. Lmao was messing around with electoral calculus to see if I could get a 121 seat majority with Labour cannibalising the Lib Dem vote & Brexit Party taking half the Tories, but that'd actually put us at 585 seats Borrovan fucked around with this message at 19:50 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Qwertycoatl posted:Since Alastair Campbell got kicked out for voting libdem, would the rules allow expelling an MP who voted against Labour in a confidence motion? Pretty sure a confidence vote would be the strongest whip possible and going against it would mean having the whip withdrawn. Meaning at the next election Labour would run someone else for the seat and the incumbent indie MP would have to find alternative funding.
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So the Lib Dems won't even back an interim government created for the sole purpose of stopping No Deal, because Corbyn Bad? It would do nothing except extend A50 and then hold a general election, as I understand it. This poo poo absolutely boggles my loving mind
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Aug 15, 2019 19:50
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Comrade Fakename posted:A number of pundits and so on have said that a significant number of Labour MPs would never support Corbyn for PM. Is there any truth to this? It seems like a huge scandal for any more than a couple of weirdo outliers not to support their own party leader as prime minister. those very same pundits were predicting large numbers of both Labour and Tory MPs were going to join CUK and make them the new third party kingmakers which, loving lol
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CoolCab posted:yeah the money doesn't want a no deal brexit, they are being atypically kind to corbyn right now. I'm thinking more about "money" than "business", they overlap but they're not strictly the same. "Business", as in companies themselves and people who make things, is absolutely against no-deal, but the most you'll get from straight up business leaders is a few interviews on BBC breakfast to talk about the economy. Whereas "Money", i.e. the rich fuckers who want Rees-Mogg pulling levers so they can practice some disaster capitalism, they are quite happy to see no-deal go through and also quite happy to fund whatever methods it takes to make that happen. I think you're right about their reserves, but the sad part is Leave.EU didn't even spend that much on all the dodgy Facebook stuff. It wasn't quite the seismic shift in public consciousness that Carole Cadwalladr thinks it caused, but it was pretty good value for their money overall. e: This is "money" and "business" in my head at least, dunno if that's actually representative. Scikar fucked around with this message at 19:59 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 19:53
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I was feeling pretty depressed seeing Swinson on the news earlier at work (any time a tory gives a speech it makes me die inside a little) but getting home and finding out that almost everyone else who opposes no deal actually said that it was a good idea (or at least "well I suppose we have to") really made my day. Obviously this didn't get a peep on the BBC.
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Bardeh posted:So the Lib Dems won't even back an interim government created for the sole purpose of stopping No Deal, because Corbyn Bad? It would do nothing except extend A50 and then hold a general election, as I understand it. This poo poo absolutely boggles my loving mind this was their policy until they started getting dragged by literally loving everyone, including the Greens and all the bluetick melts on Twitter now they've u-turned and said they'll meet with Corbyn so now both the fubpee Remainer wing and the shy Tory wing hate them they really couldn't have played it any worse
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Aug 15, 2019 20:00
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Total Meatlove posted:Lol all of the FBPE types who’ve nodded along to TAO/RR and the ‘Corbyn is the second coming of Hitler’ crew are having to tacitly ignore them arguing against the Gov of National Unity idea because they know it’s all bollocks. lol https://twitter.com/RachelRileyRR/status/1161906792089182209?s=20
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Aug 15, 2019 20:18
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Bardeh posted:So the Lib Dems won't even back an interim government created for the sole purpose of stopping No Deal, because Corbyn Bad? It would do nothing except extend A50 and then hold a general election, as I understand it. This poo poo absolutely boggles my loving mind The whole thing with Corbyn has been to deligitimize him from the beginning. Somehow despite being elected twice he isn't a proper Labour leader and needs to step down. Now despite getting 40% in an election and being leader of the opposition he isn't a potential prime minister and can't be considered one under any circumstances.
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Aug 15, 2019 20:25
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the hard left, known for seizing power to... hold a referendum on Europe? terrifying. marched into a polling station at gunpoint and forced to vote for either yes or no, when will the madness end
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Aug 15, 2019 20:25
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jabby posted:The whole thing with Corbyn has been to deligitimize him from the beginning. Somehow despite being elected twice he isn't a proper Labour leader and needs to step down. Now despite getting 40% in an election and being leader of the opposition he isn't a potential prime minister and can't be considered one under any circumstances. don't forget he's going to lose his seat to a Remain party you know, despite his majority of 33k
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A good question to ask is "what government is this 'hard left' attempting to overthrow?" Because, one would assume, that a Tory government under Boris Johnson would be something worth removing from power. Of course, that would reveal their biases, so.
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Aug 15, 2019 20:31
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I’m in central London and I’m around 95% sure that the man I saw walking down Argyll St by Oxford Circus in a huff was none other than glinner himself. Unfortunately the encounter was over in seconds so I was unable to completely shatter him and his worldview with the incredible and witty insult that I am still formulating an hour later.
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Comrade Fakename posted:I’m in central London and I’m around 95% sure that the man I saw walking down Argyll St by Oxford Circus in a huff was none other than glinner himself. Unfortunately the encounter was over in seconds so I was unable to completely shatter him and his worldview with the incredible and witty insult that I am still formulating an hour later. Just ask him about Beaver Bother.
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Took my son up to the Science Museum today. He had about 1000% more fun chasing the pigeons outside than anything we saw and did inside lol
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The LDs have said they'd back a Ken Clarke "caretaker" govt. I know it hurts my Labour cred but I don't think this is unreasonable. The purpose of this VONC planning is to prevent no deal, not ring in full socialism now.
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Aug 15, 2019 20:59
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It's ridiculously improbable because how is that going to happen? Why does Ken Clarke command a majority that Corbyn doesn't?
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OwlFancier posted:It's ridiculously improbable because how is that going to happen? Why does Ken Clarke command a majority that Corbyn doesn't? Clarke would also presumably lose the Tory whip for voting down their government, so he'd be what? An independent prime minister? It's just so dumb, it's advocating that MPs completely ignore the last election and just pick amongst themselves who gets to run the country.
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Aug 15, 2019 21:02
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What we're talking about is a temporary single issue government that is on an issue which has quite evidently transcended the party political lines for some time. If you look at Ken Clarke's actions in regards to Brexit he's in a position to lead remainers from all parties, which are a majority in parliament. Also he's retiring soon. He has no reason to give any fucks about the tories. It's probably why he's behaving as he has been in the brexit discussions. To be clear, this government isn't about running the country, it's about preventing a no deal brexit occurring in a period where parliament would have been dissolved otherwise. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 21:05 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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The Deleter posted:Post in the thread everytime you lol at the lib dems that would exceed the capacity of the servers op
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We could spare ourselves all of this panic if the EU would just say "gently caress it we'll offer any new UK leader a retroactive extension on article 50 in order to ensure that you can't just switch parliament off to force a no deal. Have a general election, come back with a new leader, and there's a date with the council if they want to talk about this. "
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Azza Bamboo posted:We could spare ourselves all of this panic if the EU would just say "gently caress it we'll offer any new UK leader a retroactive extension on article 50 in order to ensure that you can't just switch parliament off to force a no deal. Have a general election, come back with a new leader, and there's a date with the council if they want to talk about this. " How would a retroactive anything work at all. That's not how international treaties work
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Azza Bamboo posted:What we're talking about is a temporary single issue government that is on an issue which has quite evidently transcended the party political lines for some time. If you look at Ken Clarke's actions in regards to Brexit he's in a position to lead remainers from all parties, which are a majority in parliament. The thing is it hasn't, it's absolutely still almost entirely a partisan issue and the whole problem is that nobody is willing to let it not be a party issue. Liberals and tories won't work with labour.
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Qwertycoatl posted:Since Alastair Campbell got kicked out for voting libdem, would the rules allow expelling an MP who voted against Labour in a confidence motion? I know the leadership have been slack about enforcing the whip a bit lately. but of course a confidence motion would still be three lines
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Azza Bamboo posted:We could spare ourselves all of this panic if the EU would just say "gently caress it we'll offer any new UK leader a retroactive extension on article 50 in order to ensure that you can't just switch parliament off to force a no deal. Have a general election, come back with a new leader, and there's a date with the council if they want to talk about this. " Boris would love that, he could respond that they're interfering with a domestic issue and his base would call anyone who opposed him traitors. Fash on the streets would likely murder several people over the weekend and never be caught. With Tory rebels backing Labour we're already seeing Tory voters blame it all on Tories and vowing to vote BXP instead. Also the EU said several times that they'd be happy to offer extensions on condition of a GE and/or 2nd referendum. Additionally they were very happy with Labour's Norway++ supergroup Brexit plan, the only time they said it was ONLY May's deal was in response to her racist redlines.
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Azza Bamboo posted:What we're talking about is a temporary single issue government that is on an issue which has quite evidently transcended the party political lines for some time. If you look at Ken Clarke's actions in regards to Brexit he's in a position to lead remainers from all parties, which are a majority in parliament. if the leader of the government doesn't matter than why shouldn't it be Corbyn, he is after all the Leader of the Opposition and if it does matter than backbench MP Ken loving Clarke shouldn't be anywhere near the leadership (the real answer is the LDs and centrists would rather oppose Corbyn than oppose No Deal)
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Azza Bamboo posted:We could spare ourselves all of this panic if the EU would just say "gently caress it we'll offer any new UK leader a retroactive extension on article 50 in order to ensure that you can't just switch parliament off to force a no deal. Have a general election, come back with a new leader, and there's a date with the council if they want to talk about this. " lol that’s literally impossible even if everyone wanted to
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feedmegin posted:Also ran for leader of the Conservative Party. Twice even. Be an interesting turn of events if he finally did become PM and this is how lol I think this is the option that would piss the most people off, so now I want it to happen. history nerds: has there ever been an independent MP as PM since political parties became a thing? I don’t think so
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Why couldn't the EU watch us crash out on Halloween and then say "if you want we could pick up where we were before the dissolution of parliament and pencil in a date for, say, 2021?" Who prevents this? Specifically who, not what but who. You don't have to call it retroactive if it's semantics that have people up in arms. You could call it an entirely new process even though it isn't. Azza Bamboo fucked around with this message at 21:23 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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The EU wouldn't do that because that's just not how international relations work. Other countries aren't your friends and treaties aren't something you arrive at without lots of slow negotiation.
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The EU is ready for a no deal, is sick of the UK for not doing poo poo about itself preparing for it, and wants the UK to get punished for it. There is no way I can see the EU allowing more time for Boris to just spend the time doing what it is already, blaming the EU for not giving them everything.
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If slow negotiation is sacramount then how is it that the product of this negotiation is something the negotiators would allow millions to slide out of on the basis of one man's ego?
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https://twitter.com/VeeCee30/status/1162053143737356290 'grow up!' I blubber like a toddler
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Okay let's cancel any idea that the EU would somehow prevent no deal on their end. Can Corbyn get a government before the date? Can someone else? Is parliament getting hijacked for another extension? Is this thread giving up here?
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Azza Bamboo posted:Okay let's cancel any idea that the EU would somehow prevent no deal on their end. If everything is in place by the start of September, there is a chance
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Azza Bamboo posted:If slow negotiation is sacramount then how is it that the product of this negotiation is something the negotiators would allow millions to slide out of on the basis of one man's ego? Because the UK has basically refused to negotiate because it just keeps saying it wants the moon on a stick no matter how much the EU says no for entirely sensible diplomatic reasons. Again, other countries aren't your friends. The EU does not care one jot what happens outside its borders other than to the extent it causes problems for it domestically, it would drown the entire african continent in the mediterranean before it let more refugees in and it would do exactly the same to the UK.
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Azza Bamboo posted:Okay let's cancel any idea that the EU would somehow prevent no deal on their end. the current plan is for the caretaker government to get an extension from the EU in order to hold a GE (and then potentially a second referendum, unless the Tories win)
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I get that the plan is to have the caretaker govt take an extension but I was also under the impression that 12 is a big enough number to hurt this process.
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AceOfFlames posted:Just ask him about Beaver Bother. That was my first thought as I watched him harrumph up the road away from me.
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