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at lower level it seems like they aren't really gaining much? all your extra attacks burn a bonus action so the only real difference is doing it with reach and wisdom mod instead of dex. still gonna play a JoJo monk at the next available chance, lots of cool RP ideas there.
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Splicer posted:That Barbarian is some hot garbage Seriously, gently caress random tables of hyper-variable bullshit forever.
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Million Ghosts posted:at lower level it seems like they aren't really gaining much? all your extra attacks burn a bonus action so the only real difference is doing it with reach and wisdom mod instead of dex. still gonna play a JoJo monk at the next available chance, lots of cool RP ideas there. Edit: I can't read ignore me
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Aug 16, 2019 12:59
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Here's some more reflavoring option for that monk.  
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Aug 16, 2019 15:09
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Maybe you could homebrew a feat so the Jojo Monk stand could separate as a remote stand?
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Raenir Salazar posted:Maybe you could homebrew a feat so the Jojo Monk stand could separate as a remote stand? It's kinda already baked in. Most melee stands only have a range of a couple meters and the arms have 10ft reach.
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Arcane Rebuke reminds me a bit of Iron Heart Surge from the 3.5 Book of 9 Swords, in that it reveals how odd the game mechanics are built. A creature forces you to make a saving throw, so it takes damage. Easy right? A guy casts Charm Person, you get to zap him. Couldn't be simpler. Except that it somehow works against people who cast Evard's Black Tentacles, but not against an actual tentacled monster trying to grapple you. It retaliates against Fireball, but not against Magic Missile or Scorching Ray. Earthquake spell knocks over a building with you nearby? You get to damage the caster. Somehow. Because your fey magic can track down a falling building's causal chain all the way back to shaking ground which is caused by magic, I guess. Did you influence the weather? Better hope some Barbarian isn't within a couple of miles or he can zap you if you made things a bit too chilly. Cast Gust of Wind and the Barbarian can calmly walk in place, killing you. If I get into a Reverse Gravity, nothing special happens... except if I try to grab an object to avoid falling upwards. Then, and only then, does the wizard get zapped. (Although, if I'm the one who chooses whether to grab something when falling, aren't I really the one who causes the saving throw?) Hey, if I push someone into a pit with spikes at the bottom, do I get zapped if the spikes are coated with poison? I mean I caused him to roll a save, didn't I? But then if the spikes were free of poison it wouldn't work? I know I'm looking for silly corner case scenarios on purpose here, but the ability is unnecessarily vague.
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Sage Genesis posted:Arcane Rebuke reminds me a bit of Iron Heart Surge from the 3.5 Book of 9 Swords, in that it reveals how odd the game mechanics are built. My god this would be a great ability for a tort lawyer wizard.
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MonsterEnvy posted:Rage after you close in, I guess. Also lol I rolled the teleport one and now I'm 20 feet from all the monsters and out of movement. Maybe that's why I'm angry. MonsterEnvy posted:Also it's supposed to be a Wild Surge not everything is supposed to benefit you. Sage Genesis posted:Arcane Rebuke reminds me a bit of Iron Heart Surge from the 3.5 Book of 9 Swords, in that it reveals how odd the game mechanics are built.
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The only thing I'll give the new Barbarian path is that it at least seems like less of a mess than the Wild Mage Sorcerer.
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I think the teleport one is meant to be a place you choose, possibly. Also, the wording for the plant one suggests it moves with you. As it says the ground within 10 feet of -you-, which is a point that can move. All the others are, generally, 100% a benefit to a barbarian that wades into the middle of the fray.
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Arthil posted:I think the teleport one is meant to be a place you choose, possibly. Also, the wording for the plant one suggests it moves with you. As it says the ground within 10 feet of -you-, which is a point that can move. Yeah you're not traversing the difficult terrain but moving it along with you
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Million Ghosts posted:at lower level it seems like they aren't really gaining much? all your extra attacks burn a bonus action so the only real difference is doing it with reach and wisdom mod instead of dex. still gonna play a JoJo monk at the next available chance, lots of cool RP ideas there. Lower levels yeah it's not that much, but at 17th you can attack six times in one round with your ghost arms (three from astral barrage as your attack action and then another three from your bonus action) and then add your martial arts die to one of those attacks as well, that's pretty cool. They don't appear to actually specify how much damage the arms do, however, so I guess you just HAVE to substitute your martial arts die for its damage since it's a monk weapon.
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Unearthed Arcana Barbarian posted:You teleport up to 20 feet to an unoccupied space you can see. Until your rage ends, you can activate this effect again on each of your turns as a bonus action. Yeah those two bits tend to mean you're choosing your destination to be literally anywhere you see within 20 feet of you. You're blinking to the enemy, or behind them, or next to them. Unearthed Arcana Barbarian posted:Plant life temporarily grows around you: until your rage ends, the ground within 10 feet of you is difficult terrain. While I understand the vagueness of this one, I'm also of the mind it means the ground around you moves with you. I know y'all have been burned before but you're kinda being downer shits on this randomized table of benefits.
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change my name posted:Yeah you're not traversing the difficult terrain but moving it along with you that's also how i would read it as intended but it would not be hard for a dickhead DM to say RAW you're always slogging through vines and mud
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It's really vague but I would have interpreted it as the stuff sprouting up around you as you walk, and remaining even when you move further away. Mainly because plants don't really move and presumably they stay behind until your rage end. But keeping track of that would be annoying and it would be the odd one out among the wild surges as far as hindering you (unless you get caught in a flumphsplosion I guess) so I'd probably just run it as an aura of difficult terrain that moves with you and doesn't hinder you. Like maybe the plants recede as you step toward them and wilt when you move away. poo poo like this is definitely a honeypot for rear end in a top hat DMs though edit: I'm just struck by how bad the D&D team is at game design though, like I knew getting into it that D&D 5E was poor from the getgo but even if they set out to do a 5.5E I don't think they have the skill to fix it even if you could theoretically hammer this nugget of poo poo into something good BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 08:57 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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Where has this "DND 5E is actually poo poo" stuff come from over the last year? Its by no means a perfect system but it is still very flexible and compared to other gaming systems is a breeze to learn.
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Nutsngum posted:Where has this "DND 5E is actually poo poo" stuff come from over the last year? Its by no means a perfect system but it is still very flexible and compared to other gaming systems is a breeze to learn. Last year? It's been around since the game was still called D&D Next.
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The barbarian who is allergic to magic and keeps making fairy bullshit happen when he gets angry looks like a lot of fun to play, just imo
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Nutsngum posted:Where has this "DND 5E is actually poo poo" stuff come from over the last year? Its by no means a perfect system but it is still very flexible and compared to other gaming systems is a breeze to learn. I was harsher than I meant to be because I guess I couldn't resist hyperbole but I'll clarify my thoughts a bit. I think the core rules are more or less fine and I appreciate how fast and light it is to play. If there was a well-considered 5.5E I would mostly just want them to clarify a few things, rename "bonus actions" to "minor actions" or "special actions" or something (instead of getting rid of them, as they expressed regret over them essentially because they got confused by their own bad name) and presenting gridded combat as an equal option to theatre of the mind instead of a scattered hodgepodge of optional rules (when the game seems actually designed around grids to begin with!) My main complaints are really more with the content rather than the rules. The class design is a mess with a bunch of lovely trap options, and I've actually seen the enthusiasm drain from players' faces when they realize they don't get to do anything cool as certain classes as compared to others at the same table. Also, the core monster manual is pretty boring statswise where for all the numbers they give you most monsters could be summarized in actual play as HP/AC/Melee attack/ranged attack (if applicable)/multiattack (if applicable.) That said, many of the Volo's and Mordenkainen's monsters are a lot more fun and interesting, showing that it actually is possible to do better in that regard. I can deal with the boring monsters, I just make my own or adjust the existing ones, but fixing the player options isn't something I think the current team can do since I'm not sure they really understand their own game as judging from things they've said, rulings they've made, and the UA content. I have fun playing, but people will surely note that with RPGs that's not a high bar to clear; although, I do think they got a bunch of things right with the core of the system edit: not to say I'm the one suited to fixing it, I'm not, but I can tell when something feels bad BattleMaster fucked around with this message at 11:05 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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Nutsngum posted:and compared to other gaming systems is a breeze to learn.
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Yeah, D&D is easy if you grew up with it culturally ingrained - I more or less understood the basics of character generation and mechanics of play well before I ever played, thanks to webcomics and TV - but if you're a complete novice it's a wildly opaque system, and even if you know what you're doing, character generation is a nightmare without some sort of digital assistance. Simple games are things like Powered byt eh Apocalypse systems, or Fiasco, things where you can make a character more or less in play, and where the game is largely descriptive in nature.
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Nutsngum posted:it is still very flexible and compared to other gaming systems is a breeze to learn Wrong on both counts.
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Nutsngum posted:very flexible and compared to other gaming systems is a breeze to learn. You're gonna have to say what the hell these other gaming systems are that you're comparing it to.
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bewilderment posted:You're gonna have to say what the hell these other gaming systems are that you're comparing it to. Pathfinder is one. It only took me about half an hour in 5E getting character creation down and the rest is hardly difficult to learn. BattleMaster posted:I was harsher than I meant to be because I guess I couldn't resist hyperbole but I'll clarify my thoughts a bit.
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Our level-6 group scraped by an encounter by the skin of our teeth yesterday. After killing a necromancer, we took their evil, sentient artifact and were wrapping up the rest of their home (a sprawling canyon-and-caves system, full of undead of course). Being a necromancer, naturally she wasn't dead, and in the middle of a mook fight, she came back as a wraith to beat the poo poo out of us some more, sporting a nasty melee attack that reduced max HP if you failed a save, which we kept doing. We were pretty worn down by the time she died again; the monk expended all of his ki points, the cleric used his Channel Divinity, and everyone with spell slots was around half-empty. So it was a bit of a shock when, as the wraith re-died, the voice of the crown that'd been whispering at us came back to, er, life, as a high-level necromancer. He summoned up a bunch of undead, sprayed us with webs, Dimension Doored onto the roof of a nearby building after we beat on his AC-10 wizard rear end a bit, and then unleashed Circle of Death. Circle of Death, if you aren't aware, is basically Necromancer Fireball, dealing 8d6 necrotic damage or half if you save, to everything within a 60-foot radius sphere of the target. It hit our entire party. The monk started dying. The wizard started dying. The rogue, cleric, and bard were still up, but at single-digit HP and the cleric and bard were both still webbed. The thin silver lining was that the summoned undead were also blasted and promptly went back where they came from. Our DM at this point noted three important points. One, holy poo poo, Circle of Death gains 2d6 damage per level when cast with higher-level slots. Two: hey guys, he can cast Circle of Death again and deal even more damage. Three: he doesn't have many HP left. The rogue, the only one not webbed, activated his Cloak of the Bat and flew up to stab the necromancer. He couldn't sneak attack, but crucially this was the attack that finally ruined the necromancer's concentration, causing the webs to disappear. This let the bard move to a spot where she could see the boss and hit him with a boosted Shatter spell...which also started the rogue on dying, but it's not like he'd've lasted long either way. Alas, the necromancer was still on his feet. It was the cleric's turn, and the DM outright told him "Either you kill the boss, or he's going to kill you, and probably everyone else." He lined up a shot with Sacred Flame, it hit, he rolled 18 damage...and the DM revealed that he needed 16 to win. I guess now I can say that we've come within one turn of a total party wipe, so I have that going for me.
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Nutsngum posted:Pathfinder is one. It only took me about half an hour in 5E getting character creation down and the rest is hardly difficult to learn. e: also you'd already learned how to play pathfinder, and there's a lot of crossover Splicer fucked around with this message at 15:43 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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5e character creation is so easy with dndbeyond, it's basically 5 clicks Who here's tried to untangle the mess that was pathfinder 2 char creation? and that was specifically made easier than pathfinder 1
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Bhodi posted:5e character creation is so easy with dndbeyond, it's basically 5 clicks Unless they made it ridiculously hard since the playtest, it's just your ABCs and works stupidly well. The thing that throws people off about Pathfinder 2e is that it starts off from base principles and reworks everything from there. If you come in with a bunch of assumptions and just skim, you find the system is fighting you because it's not working in the ways you expect. On the other hand, if you listen to it and work with it, it's great. Meanwhile, 5e just lets your assumptions glide by because there's absolutely nothing else there at all.
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Bhodi posted:5e character creation is so easy with dndbeyond, it's basically 5 clicks D&D chargen is just as awkward without the digital tools though. God PF2 playtest chargen was annoying, I literally made like half a dozen copies of the PDF just so I could have multiple pages open at the same time.
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Bhodi posted:5e character creation is so easy with dndbeyond, it's basically 5 clicks
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Bogan Krkic posted:The barbarian who is allergic to magic and keeps making fairy bullshit happen when he gets angry looks like a lot of fun to play, just imo if he's allergic to magic they probably shouldn't have made him every caster's best friend and rechargeable battery, imho.
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Bhodi posted:5e character creation is so easy with dndbeyond, it's basically 5 clicks Splicer fucked around with this message at 16:51 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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Bhodi posted:5e character creation is so easy with dndbeyond, it's basically 5 clicks PF2 is relatively simple now. Look up the twitch video of the GenCon panel where they walk a room through it.
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thespaceinvader posted:Yeah, D&D is easy if you grew up with it culturally ingrained - I more or less understood the basics of character generation and mechanics of play well before I ever played, thanks to webcomics and TV - but if you're a complete novice it's a wildly opaque system, and even if you know what you're doing, character generation is a nightmare without some sort of digital assistance. PBTA are simple I guess but require a completely different mindset that I just can’t wrap my head around. Probably because I grew up on 3.5.
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D&D has tons of rules but it's conceptually straightforward. You want to do a thing? Tell the DM, get an instruction to roll something, probably, and add numbers. Sure there's a million fiddly bits and rules to learn but it doesn't interfere with the simplicity of "I want to shoot it with my bow" and rolling. My every attempt at a PBTA game has been like "is .... is this one of my moves? Does this count or do I have to like REALLY do thing for it to count as a move?" Some people will find its rules-light way of doing things a ton easier, but I don't think it's universal at all.
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Toshimo posted:PF2 is relatively simple now. Look up the twitch video of the GenCon panel where they walk a room through it. Is there any indication that Paizo plans to strictly limit splatbooks that add bunches of new rules and systems? Because doing a system reset only helps briefly if your business model relies upon adding a bunch of extra rules, especially if the main selling point is that buying the new book will give you more uberoptions. 5E suffers some from clearly not being anywhere near a priority for Hasbro (or even Wizards), but the slow release schedule and the focus on adventures over new rules has at least kept the system from too many broken additions. (UA materials like the ones just discussed in the thread provide extra relief that they aren't because clearly they have some issues designing stuff for their own system. Then again, Paizo has suffered from the same problem.) Is there a genuinely simple, non-crunchy RPG system that has anywhere close to the market penetration of D&D or Pathfinder? The FATE system is the only one I've encountered; a lot of the storytelling RPGs are very different in design and intent, while a game like Dungeon World feels like a cut-down version of existing systems instead of its own animal. Fiasco and the other story games strike me as being different in the way that singing is different from opera. Given that the majority of RPG players I've known over the decades are more interested in combat than story, stripping away the stuff they want to simplify the rules really doesn't get the job done.
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I apologize if these are dumb questions: I'm very new (just played my first 3 sessions with a group in my area). How do I go about finding people to play with? I'm not sure how I feel about my current group and don't want that to detect from what seems like a really fun game.
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