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Thank God for that
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Aug 15, 2019 11:39
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No thank Mr Pooh, not god.
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Aug 15, 2019 12:10
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thank you communist cartoon bear, for the cheap bibles
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Aug 15, 2019 13:58
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gotta keep the evangelical swine happy
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Aug 16, 2019 01:55
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https://twitter.com/liu_da_cheng/status/1162326565385932800 The third way.
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Aug 16, 2019 12:46
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ACAB https://twitter.com/VivienneChow/status/1162011234545221632?s=20
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Aug 16, 2019 12:46
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Lol if you don't boycott disney by now you need to check your head.
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Aug 16, 2019 13:07
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what do disney do, disney marvel and star wars? easiest boycott ever
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Aug 16, 2019 13:30
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"but i want to see wolverine kill yoda" gently caress you
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Aug 16, 2019 13:31
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even in other countries’ dumb bullshit conflicts, white people will find a way to be the worst* *edit: conflicts in countries that are majority white are of course also dumb bullshit. Lightning Knight has issued a correction as of 13:43 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 13:37
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Scarlett Johannson's time to shine!!!
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Aug 16, 2019 13:43
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The brave supercops of Hong Kong risk their lives every day to protect the public, whether that means jumping down the side of a building, escaping an exploding fireworks factory, or jumping a motorbike on to a moving train, like GTA but for real. Show some respect.
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Aug 16, 2019 16:01
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hardboiled owns
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Aug 16, 2019 16:05
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Icealm didn't take his probation too well
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Aug 16, 2019 17:29
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Lightning Knight posted:even in other countries’ dumb bullshit conflicts, white people will find a way to be the worst* Another white idiot, this time the guy who is famous for climbing buildings https://twitter.com/AFPphoto/status/1162318082012004353?s=19
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Aug 16, 2019 17:40
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lol, moments later https://www.watoday.com.au/national...816-p52hzi.html
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Aug 16, 2019 19:03
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she's wrong but it's a stupid controversy. that wonder woman actress can support the idf and nobody gives a poo poo
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Aug 16, 2019 20:13
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i promise i'm not trying to do opsec for china but jesus has anyone posted this yet https://twitter.com/CarlZha/status/1160319351930490880
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Aug 16, 2019 20:17
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drat everywhere is exactly like America. Anything people do has the exact same meaning as Americans
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Aug 16, 2019 20:23
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Kurtofan posted:Another white idiot, this time the guy who is famous for climbing buildings thank you spiderman
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Aug 16, 2019 20:34
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coathat posted:drat everywhere is exactly like America. Anything people do has the exact same meaning as Americans be a facetious rear end in a top hat or whatever but there is something concerning about any kind of america fellating to me, whether it's waving the flag or pepe memes. it even makes me groan when leftist kurds in syria do it, even though i'm totally sympathetic to their aims the primary hong kong parties who support complete independence are predominantly right-wing and xenophobic against mainlanders. you can recognize that there's a right-wing element in the protest and still support many of the aims though, be it against the lovely extradition law they originally mobilized against or the absurdly high cost of housing (which unfortunately has been blamed predominantly on mainlanders due to a few gentrifyers and led to discrimination/xenophobia) hong kong protests are a land of contrasts
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Aug 16, 2019 20:54
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I love it when a movement 8,000 miles away appeals to me, a fat idiot American who can't even pay his bills. drat, the Hong Kong protesters learned to code and are hacking communism's mainframe. Awesome!
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Aug 16, 2019 20:58
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Yossarian-22 posted:the primary hong kong parties who support complete independence are predominantly right-wing and xenophobic against mainlanders. you can recognize that there's a right-wing element in the protest and still support many of the aims though, be it against the lovely extradition law they originally mobilized against or the absurdly high cost of housing (which unfortunately has been blamed predominantly on mainlanders due to a few gentrifyers and led to discrimination/xenophobia) you have massively misunderstood everything about all of this especially the housing situation. You need to read up about housing policy in Hong Kong and how the public/private sector divide works. Gentrification has nothing to do with it. Taxation and land sales have everything to do with it. Mainland money laundering has everything to do with it. far be it from me to say there's no racism or xenophobia in Hong Kong, but protesting against a libertarian right government in Hong Kong and their authoritarian right masters in Beijing does not belie a right wing xenophobic element in protests demanding civil liberties and political pluralism.
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Aug 16, 2019 21:17
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Bloodnose posted:you have massively misunderstood everything about all of this https://www.scmp.com/comment/insight-opinion/article/1485847/something-has-give-amid-gentrification-hong-kong I don't pretend to know the ins and outs of housing policy, but I know for a fact that there's a lot of resentment against mainlanders since a decent portion of them are rich. If gentrification is *not* the problem then it at least seems to be a present grievance I'm a dumb dumb who knows nothing, but I do know from following Carl Zha that the resentment against mainlanders is part of why the vast majority of them are completely alienated from the movement. I'm not saying that that's the whole of the movement, but it reminds me of Ukraine where people were dismissive of the grievances of Eastern/Southern Russian Ukrainians who were afraid that Maidan was going to trample on their rights (admittedly an element of Maidan that RT and other outlets as a casus belli for Russia's impending interventions/invasions) I mean it's the same thing with Gilets Jaunes. Anti-immigration sentiments are not the whole of the protest movement but they are still a problem Yossarian-22 has issued a correction as of 22:48 on Aug 16, 2019 |
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Aug 16, 2019 22:43
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That op ed you linked was written by an incumbent Carrie Lam appointee. That isn't to say inequality isn't a massive problem. Hong Kong is easily the most unequal developed economy in the world. It has been for decades. But the idea that it's cause for widespread anti-mainlander chauvinism is a bit of a stretch. Literally every single Hong Konger who isn't a Hakka clansman has roots in the mainland. Most of them are less than two generations removed (meaning most everybody has at least one mainlander parent or grandparent). There isn't a big problem with Chaoshan grandmas getting denied service at cha chaan tengs. In fact it's kind of a weird double situation where a massive proportion of the city's service industry is actually organized for the express purpose of serving mainland tourists. The influx of course does breed resentment. But it's a different kind of resentment from a discrimination against an underclass. If you're looking for real racism and discrimination, look no further than Hong Kong's century old South Indian population, especially the Nepali community, which is regularly denied opportunities in the economy. Or more recent refugee communities, particularly those from Africa. These issues don't interact with the current political protest movement though.
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Aug 16, 2019 23:58
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Bloodnose posted:That op ed you linked was written by an incumbent Carrie Lam appointee. Isn't it a difference though if you're, say, a third-generation Hong Kong citizen who's grandparents emigrated during WWII/Chinese Communist Revolution vs. a more recent arrival? I can't speak to the amount of resentment against mainlanders whether within the movement or inflated by the Chinese media, but it seems that a lot of mainlanders on social media have been alienated from the movement as a result. Unless they're all sockpuppets ofc, but I tend to trust what Carl Zha says even if he's biased. Might or might not be some concern trolling on that front Yossarian-22 has issued a correction as of 01:07 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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Aug 17, 2019 00:43
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IMO the highest real estate price in the world, and the insane gini coefficient only provide a very warm bed for the unrest, and they are big factors to motivate the young landless radicals, they are a big factor but not necessarily the primary factor of triggered the protest. You have to goes back to the older middle-class home-owning professionals (minor winners of the HK libertarian hellscape playground) who just DON NOT LIKE mainlanders, hate CCP and refuse integration. The loser half of HK really don't have incentive to resist the change but the minor winners have thing to lose and they will do everything they can to resist change, many of the things they are holding on dearly are intangible things that "make HK better". I have been watching a lot of HK youtube talk shows from the protesters side in the last few days (many of them are directly funded by Jimmy "Fatso" Lai), their dislike of mainlanders and integration are not even thinly veiled. Of course the extradition bill directly touch the pies of the HK private banking/money laundering industry and surely will get a lot of push back from them, but you have to stand further back and see the series of protects over the years and see what change attempts are getting the biggest push back. One thing HKers fail to remember is that "50 years unchanged" was a promised from Deng. Deng was never officially the head of state in any time of his life. However he was a big mean who shaped the direction of the country for at least 4 decades. Jiang and Hu were Deng followers and they were never powerful enough to walk out of Deng's shadow and plans. However Xi is capable of make the change if he choose. Bottom line "50 years unchanged" was a Deng promise and he was but one of the 3 big men in the PRC history. Deng was willing to do "an experiment" on HK. He actually did many experiments including the special economic zone in SZ, and a few more cities (those cities didn't work so well and nobody talks about them). You can not uphold the plans made by the previous dead leaders for forever, this is not what's best for the state. The later emperors who tried to honor Now the approach Beijing used on HK experiment since handover was to "hand out economic incentive to exchange for cooperation." This approach only benefits the elites and it barely get cooperation from them. And the bottom half of the city didn't see any of the incentive. We are already in the middle of the 50 year experiment. One thing we know for sure is that this approach with HK is clearly a failure. Look at the entire Cathay Pacific corp up and down, who carry the mentality of "I am an honorary British and Hong Konger and I am not Chinese and I AM BETTA" even though they are making the Chinese money in China. These people pretty much have no chance to change their mind for the rest of their lives. My conclusion? The time to make major structural change is now. tino has issued a correction as of 01:28 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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Aug 17, 2019 01:09
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also at the time of handover HK was like 20% of china's GDP with only a few million people, better not to disturb that. Now a lot has moved over, integrated with mainland, or been diminished in its significance. I don't see any reason that China wouldn't want to accelerate it's integration
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Aug 17, 2019 01:24
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There's a good chance that something happens to deal with the protests before national day, anyway. It'd be a big black mark to have protests happening during the holiday.
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Aug 17, 2019 01:37
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e: sorry wrong thread
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Aug 17, 2019 02:39
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 found the goon
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Aug 17, 2019 06:54
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Lol
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Aug 17, 2019 06:58
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The bubble that rich mainland students in the West live in is pretty surreal
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Aug 17, 2019 07:03
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shrike82 posted:The bubble that rich mainland students in the West live in is pretty surreal Yeah that's pretty crazy lol
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Aug 17, 2019 07:06
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honestly the mainland vs hong kong sentiment kinda reminds me of france vs corsica sentiment, french tourists come by the thousands and then love to complain about how mean the Corsican locals were to them
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Aug 17, 2019 07:10
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Sparticle posted:
don’t doxx guyovich pls tia
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Aug 17, 2019 07:17
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Kurtofan posted:honestly the mainland vs hong kong sentiment kinda reminds me of france vs corsica sentiment, french tourists come by the thousands and then love to complain about how mean the Corsican locals were to them Are the Corsican locals mean to them?
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Aug 17, 2019 07:35
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Bloodnose posted:Are the Corsican locals mean to them? corsican no like france or being part of it
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Aug 17, 2019 07:44
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Bloodnose posted:Are the Corsican locals mean to them? Not really, just not properly happy to have to serve a french tourist in sandals
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Aug 17, 2019 07:57
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