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IronicDongz posted:nuclear throne has some real issues(like how eventually melee weapons become actually mandatory if you go far enough, and how the game runs at 30 fps) but ETG is too drat slow and runs take too drat long. turbo mode is a bad band aid fix for this, it goes deep into how the game is designed. both turbo mode and increasing your out-of-combat speed result in a much faster gameplay experience
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They do, but not really in the way that I wanted. I don't want literally everything to move faster, I want enemies to have less health(but have somewhat more of them), and floors to be a lot smaller. And possibly for there to be less floors total.
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Aug 15, 2019 23:11
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I've said it before, I'll say it again, the similarities between Gungeon and NT are superficial. NT is an arcade-y twin stick shooter, Gungeon is a slow-paced bullet hell. Don't y'all have Barkey's to talk about?
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ItBreathes posted:
what's that it sounds corporate
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Aug 15, 2019 23:21
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IronicDongz posted:They do, but not really in the way that I wanted. I don't want literally everything to move faster, I want enemies to have less health(but have somewhat more of them), and floors to be a lot smaller. And possibly for there to be less floors total. good news, there's upgrades that fill these desires and the fact that you don't even need to do the secret chambers
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Aug 15, 2019 23:26
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I already didn't do the secret chambers and I still think it's too slow and long
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maybe just mod guns into dark souls 3, that game is short enough that it could simulate the same experience
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ItBreathes posted:Don't y'all have Barkey's to talk about? do we? do we??
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Don't fight, Monolith is better than both games.
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he have a barkley to discuss, but not a barkley two discuss. the xenoblade chronicles guys should pick up barkley 2 and fuse the setting with the combat of xenoblade 2. instead of big titty anime blades at the player's side, it should be the ghosts of various basket ball players, with roles corresponding to the B-Baller's position in the team
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Dias posted:Don't fight, Monolith is better than both games. Monolith has tone issues Like, lolwackyrandom you're a ship and you're buying stuff from a giant flabby cat head woah But also your enemies are jars of tortured souls and shadows with teeth I didn't like NT all that much until I learned that it has a consistent conlang and a secret ending I didn't like Gungeon all that much until I realised that basically every run will drop you a really decent synergy about halfway through, at which point the game comes into its own. It really feels like everyone in here whining about bullet sponge enemies hasn't played recently, the first-floor gun nuts tank hits like the demi-bosses that they are but almost everything else will drop in a couple of shots
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spit on my clit posted:when shooting your tiny blap blap pistol causes a loving earthquake for the next three vlambeer games (if anyone can stand to work with rami), that aint fine This is a real roundabout way to get to the joke I wanted which is Bill Vlambeer's Combat Basketball
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IronicDongz posted:every game like ETG should look at old shoot em ups for pacing. Cho Ren Sha 68k is a free game originally from 1995 and it feels better than literally every modern shooter roguelite
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I don't wanna talk poo poo about Cho Ren Sha because it was amazing, but didn't it do that old shmup thing where if you took a death you'd drop all the way down to level 1 weapons and lose extra bombs? Then since everything takes so long to kill the extra stocks are kind of worthless. You pretty much have to have powerup drops for a level memorized to know which ones were safe to do a full collect on if you wanted any chance to recover. I guess it wasn't that bad since I think there was a level continue system (although I think you could only loop if you did it 1cc?) but I'm glad that shmups for the most part moved past that poo poo. Unless you meant something else entirely by pacing
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spit on my clit posted:he have a barkley to discuss, but not a barkley two discuss. If they make it so Jonathan Taylor Thomas is the named enemy fight theme, I'm in.
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staplegun posted:I don't wanna talk poo poo about Cho Ren Sha because it was amazing, but didn't it do that old shmup thing where if you took a death you'd drop all the way down to level 1 weapons and lose extra bombs? Then since everything takes so long to kill the extra stocks are kind of worthless. You pretty much have to have powerup drops for a level memorized to know which ones were safe to do a full collect on if you wanted any chance to recover. I guess it wasn't that bad since I think there was a level continue system (although I think you could only loop if you did it 1cc?) but I'm glad that shmups for the most part moved past that poo poo. CHS68K is a very well designed game! Although of course it's not everyone's cup of shmup.
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spit on my clit posted:he have a barkley to discuss, but not a barkley two discuss.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:why would you want the xenoblade combat system in anything
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Clearly they mean xenogears.
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lol that the barnle thread has been overtaken by discussion of other, better gungames
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A shooter roguelite, or 'tyrian arcade mode' for short
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When did 'arcade' cease to be a genre descriptor? Like, 2000?
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ItBreathes posted:When did 'arcade' cease to be a genre descriptor? Like, 2000? Coincidentally about the time arcades ceased to be in the United States.
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Lunchmeat Larry posted:why would you want the xenoblade combat system in anything game's good, mate Big Mad Drongo posted:If they make it so Jonathan Taylor Thomas is the named enemy fight theme, I'm in. you deserve a basket ball for this
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Midjack posted:Coincidentally about the time arcades ceased to be in the United States. Holy poo poo, arcades still existed until 2000? I don't think I ever ran into any in the 90s outside of like Chuckee Cheese's.
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Fuschia tude posted:Holy poo poo, arcades still existed until 2000? I don't think I ever ran into any in the 90s outside of like Chuckee Cheese's. They were weird around the end. It would mainly be little kids, but also maybe a dozen teens/twenty somethings there to play Tekken and MVC2.
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Yeah I'd'a sworn they died several years before that. Like, the swimming pool had a couple machines (most notably mortal Kombat) and there was Chuck e cheese and roller rinks and poo poo, but I don't think I ever saw an arcade proper.
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Mall arcades went to poo poo but I remember some good arcades in '98 and '99 around the College parts of town (CU Denver and CU Boulder). Sega's output during this time was great and the rest was mostly fighting games and the obligatory Neo Geo cabinet.
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My local mall arcade didn't go out of business until 2002. That's longer than the Wizards of the Coast Gaming Center, which died in 2001.
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Tunicate posted:A shooter roguelite, or 'tyrian arcade mode' for short Yes let's talk more about this game.
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In 1996 I was a 6yo living in the Chicago area and arcades were alive and loving tiiiiight and the local one that everyone at school went to for birthday parties had all the 80s stuff like Galaga and the original Rampage and Mario Bros set to free play 
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Oh yeah then I went to Vegas in 98 and there was a cool mega arcade called Gameworks I think. Dave and Busters first arrived on the scene around this time too and I remember playing a crazy MechWarrior game which was something like 8 sit in cabinets all networked together. Then there was a chain of arcades run by Namco. I sent them my resume because I thought repairing arcade games sounded fun but they never called. I was a huge nerd back then if you haven't figured it out yet.
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RVWinkle posted:Oh yeah then I went to Vegas in 98 and there was a cool mega arcade called Gameworks I think. Dave and Busters first arrived on the scene around this time too and I remember playing a crazy MechWarrior game which was something like 8 sit in cabinets all networked together. Then there was a chain of arcades run by Namco. I sent them my resume because I thought repairing arcade games sounded fun but they never called. The mechwarrior pods still exist, endlessly maintained and updated by the fan community.
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The best I ever see is a Time Crisis machine at the movie theater - one screen is blue, the other is red, and the guncons dont even work right. its such a shame.
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We’ve always had plenty of arcades around here. They never really went away- the oldschool ones all folded up shop, but within a couple of years the barcade trend took off in all the gentrified towns, plus we’ve got a Round One with tons of import games and stuff now too.
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Round One is the loving best.
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I live in Japan, your puny arcades are nothing to me. Oh, your Dave and Busters has that Jurassic Park lightgun game from 1997 that no place ever got rid of for some reason? That’s cute. If you need me I’ll be in the virtual mech simulator with 4 screens and moving seats listening to a huge titty anime girl tell me how to play while I crash into a wall for 5 minutes.
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Arcades in big cities in southeast asia are still tight too. Basically everything you get in the Japanese ones plus a shitload of cabs with those weird street fighter 2 romhacks where the credit button switches you to a random character midway through a fight and also everyone can fly
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staplegun posted:I don't wanna talk poo poo about Cho Ren Sha because it was amazing, but didn't it do that old shmup thing where if you took a death you'd drop all the way down to level 1 weapons and lose extra bombs? Then since everything takes so long to kill the extra stocks are kind of worthless. You pretty much have to have powerup drops for a level memorized to know which ones were safe to do a full collect on if you wanted any chance to recover. I guess it wasn't that bad since I think there was a level continue system (although I think you could only loop if you did it 1cc?) but I'm glad that shmups for the most part moved past that poo poo. At max strength, the player's weapon is shooting twice as fast and also shooting twice as many bullets per shot, so it would appear to be four times more powerful than with no powerups. However, the actual damage is only 1.375 times greater. Which makes a difference but you're also going to be fine fighting bosses at default power. People do not realize this easily because bosses do not have healthbars and enemies die quickly in general so it's not immediately clear that you're not actually multiplying your power by that much. Which is why there are multiple reviews of this game that cite losing your powerup as a negative, but really it mostly just matters for score because of how much points you get for extra powerups. Also the reason that you lose bombs when you die is to encourage you to actually use your fuckin bombs instead of sitting on them. too good to use syndrome is a brain disease btw LazyMaybe fucked around with this message at 11:28 on Aug 17, 2019 |
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The Big Word posted:Arcades in big cities in southeast asia are still tight too. Basically everything you get in the Japanese ones plus a shitload of cabs with those weird street fighter 2 romhacks where the credit button switches you to a random character midway through a fight and also everyone can fly That sounds amazing, the closest thing I’ve seen to anything like that was a Jackie Chan in Fists of Fire cabinet. I dream of one day going to an arcade that has Dong Dong Never Die.
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