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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I think that's sort of in line with people in the BE route saying "oh Dimitri? he's crazy" but you only see two lines of dialogue from him in the whole route, one of which is getting mad at Dedue for sacrificing their own soldiers, so he's obviously not that unhinged. If anything, he seems even less unhinged than in the actual Blue Lions route To be fair I think Dimitri is one of the most consistently written characters post-timeskip. Since he's shown in a pretty negative light even in parts of his own route.
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SyntheticPolygon posted:To be fair I think Dimitri is one of the most consistently written characters post-timeskip. Since he's shown in a pretty negative light even in parts of his own route. I mean like I said, he gets T W O lines of dialogue post-timeskip in the BE route and I don't even mean from posters, even people in the game try and tell you about Dimitri but never mention anything like...specific?
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Aug 18, 2019 02:14
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I mean like I said, he gets T W O lines of dialogue post-timeskip in the BE route This happens in reverse on Lions "Edelgard is just fighting for her ideals" Uh...care to tell me what those ideals are?
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Aug 18, 2019 02:17
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I mean like I said, he gets T W O lines of dialogue post-timeskip in the BE route Look in most routes they expect "KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM" to sell it for you.
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Aug 18, 2019 02:17
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SyntheticPolygon posted:Look in most routes they expect "KILL EVERY LAST ONE OF THEM" to sell it for you. I feel like I missed out on a LOT of info by not watching any of the E3 or general pre-release stuff
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Aug 18, 2019 02:19
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Polo-Rican posted:I assume everyone does this, right? Too many items and too many characters to cross-check these things!! https://twitter.com/Ran_gut/status/1156732564113166337
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RazzleDazzleHour posted:I feel like I missed out on a LOT of info by not watching any of the E3 or general pre-release stuff At first I was thinking that line was in most routes. But now if I remember right it's only in half. So uh, guess it doesn't sell his character in most playthroughs as well as I thought it would. (post-timeskip spoilers) I just forgot the Bleages don't do Grounder part 2. My brain just automatically assumes it must be in every path
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Yeah I played BE-E first and really felt like I had no idea what Dimitri's motivations were. I get that they want to keep back story and development for playing other routes, but it makes your victory really unsatisfying when you don't even really know who you're fighting. I felt like BL did better with Edelgard, since you actually have scenes with her, but it was still a little lacking. Claude was kinda weird though. "Alright, I'm giving you the keys to the kingdom, now I'm loving off forever. Seeya! I'm playing GD now so I'm interested in seeing Claude's deal.
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Aug 18, 2019 02:39
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Every route has problems with how it portrays the other house leaders. I get that the developers probably don't want to go too deep into them and want their motivations and ideals to be more heavily explored and everything in their own routes but I feel it goes a bit too far. It's probably least bad with Dimitri since he's the most straightforward of the leads but even so it's not great.
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Aug 18, 2019 02:47
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what I find interesting about Dimitri's portrayal is that you only find out that him and Edelgard are siblings in BL, that never comes up in BE. If she's the one who kills him, you get a line of dialogue that shows they used to be close*, but you'd think that sort of thing would come up more. *he calls her "El" in his death line.
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Blaziken386 posted:what I find interesting about Dimitri's portrayal is that you only find out that him and Edelgard are siblings in BL, that never comes up in BE. If she's the one who kills him, you get a line of dialogue that shows they used to be close*, but you'd think that sort of thing would come up more. He gives the detail that They were step siblings
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You need all four playthrus to get the whole picture which i get people not liking but i didnt mind it
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Blaziken386 posted:what I find interesting about Dimitri's portrayal is that you only find out that him and Edelgard are siblings in BL, that never comes up in BE. If she's the one who kills him, you get a line of dialogue that shows they used to be close*, but you'd think that sort of thing would come up more. It seems like Edelgard's life went straight to hell afterwards since her hair is still brown in that scene so I could see her not really remembering it beyond vague recognition.
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:You need all four playthrus to get the whole picture which i get people not liking but i didnt mind it Yeah honestly I kind of appreciate it. If you learned everything all the time on every playthrough than there'd be no reason to do the other routes, and they'd lack an individual flavor.
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:You need all four playthrus to get the whole picture which i get people not liking but i didnt mind it I like it but I also think it's to the game's detriment in some places. BL does pretty well since it's so focused on Dimitri, but I think BE-E suffers a bit narratively. BL shows that they can have a satisfying narrative while leaving some things a mystery, but they clearly didn't have enough time (?) to polish BE-E to the same degree.
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Aug 18, 2019 03:04
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Kosume Shezaki posted:It seems like Edelgard's life went straight to hell afterwards since her hair is still brown in that scene so I could see her not really remembering it beyond vague recognition. It's also pretty heavily implied they were one anothers first loves, as Edelgard mentions her first love was a nobleman, and Dimitri is constantly taunted about loving her in the BL route. Also the loving ending
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It's also neat how people are portrayed in the different paths. Edelgard kinda has a point in BE but in the Blue Lions path she goes nuts and turns into Yaldabaoth from Persona 5 . I just find it fascinating because if you play BL or GD first you can totally think "man Edelgard loving sucks"
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HOTLANTA MAN posted:You need all four playthrus to get the whole picture which i get people not liking but i didnt mind it Yeah i'm super willing to just engage with every route on its own terms and leave any mysteries for later playthroughs, but there are some mysteries which kinda feel should get play in other routes as well and especially if you're someone who doesn't really want to play all 4 routes in a row or doesn't want to betray their favourite characters by playing any other route it can feel kinda incomplete.
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I'm #StillWithHer #Edelgard/Bernie2020
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The more I think about it the more I am convinced that Edelgard Did Many Things Wrong
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cheetah7071 posted:The more I think about it the more I am convinced that Edelgard Did
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although actually I wonder how things might have gone had she tried to ally with either of the other house leaders. I'm sure Claude, at least, would have been swayable.
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Gluten Freeman posted:although actually I wonder how things might have gone had she tried to ally with either of the other house leaders. I'm sure Claude, at least, would have been swayable. "Hey Dimitri, Arundel killed your dad. Wanna help me purge him?"
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the true route: Everyone Calmly Discusses Everything Together And Formulates What To Do From There
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Gluten Freeman posted:although actually I wonder how things might have gone had she tried to ally with either of the other house leaders. I'm sure Claude, at least, would have been swayable. Claude even says that the two of them probably share a lot of the same goals and hopes for Fódlan and Edelgard even acknowledges this in the showdown at the palace before going “ONLY I CAN SAVE FÓDLAN YOU FILTHY loving FOREIGNER” what could have been but welp
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rannum posted:the true route: Everyone Calmly Discusses Everything Together And Formulates What To Do From There Please dont spoil the dlc
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rannum posted:the true route: Everyone Calmly Discusses Everything Together And Formulates What To Do From There leonie kegstands
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:Claude even says that the two of them probably share a lot of the same goals and hopes for Fódlan and Edelgard even acknowledges this in the showdown at the palace before going “ONLY I CAN SAVE FÓDLAN YOU FILTHY loving FOREIGNER” I just beat that chapter and that's a bit exaggerated.
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Blaziken386 posted:true route DLC is kicked off by byleth bringing a shitload of alcohol to the gronder field afterparty, at which point the 3 house leaders get wicked drunk and have a serious heart to heart discussion Annette with an o'douls cuz someone ripped the label off and she's thinking she's supposed to be drunk and tripping over poo poo
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Blaziken386 posted:true route DLC is kicked off by byleth bringing a shitload of alcohol to the gronder field afterparty, at which point the 3 house leaders get wicked drunk and have a serious heart to heart discussion Keg flips. It's very difficult to pull off. The timeskip has Hubert losing his law degree and having to go back to the officer's academy to get a real one.
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Tae posted:I just beat that chapter and that's a bit exaggerated. I was being a bit tongue in cheek
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Jerry Manderbilt posted:I was being a bit tongue in cheek Well not everyone has played every route, which lead to panic attacks of edelgard being related to byleth before actually reading the context
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cheetah7071 posted:"Hey Dimitri, Arundel killed your dad. Wanna help me purge him?" I honestly don’t think he’d go for it. As long as Edie is the Flame Emperor and Dimitri suspects they have some involvement in Duscur I can’t imagine things working out smoothly. At least not without some poo poo going down.
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indigi posted:I'm #StillWithHer #Edelgard/Bernie2020 Please pretend I had any skills with photoshop and posted a campaign poster of Daenerys and Bernie(Sanders) Blaziken386 posted:true route DLC is kicked off by byleth bringing a shitload of alcohol to the gronder field afterparty, at which point the 3 house leaders get wicked drunk and have a serious heart to heart discussion I can't decide if I'd actually like a golden route or not, but if they do it like that I'm sold.
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cheetah7071 posted:"Hey Dimitri, Arundel killed your dad. Wanna help me purge him?" The double whammy with this is that in the Blue Lions, Dimitri tells you in like the third chapter that he kind of doesn't like the current Crest meritocracy, and a ton of nobles like Felix and his dad totally agree. I think there's absolutely a possibility for a route where Dimitri and Edelgard team up because man the opportunity is already there in terms of the writing, you wouldn't need to change any character motivations or anything. Also, in terms of the game not telling you everything in a certain route - yeah, I get it and I'm totally fine with it. The problem is that each route basically takes place in a parallel universe. Edel's Dimitri is different from BL Dimitri (he doesn't even have the eyepatch) so it seems silly to defend the lack of motivation to kill Dimitri in BE being in another route, because it might as well be a different person. Give me a new reason to kill Dimitri that doesn't relate to his BE meltdown, or at LEAST show me some of the poo poo he's doing rather than just telling me. Have him hand the Kingdom over to Rhea entirely or something. Also the real DLC route is professor and the students from all three houses starting a new nation and fighting against all three house leaders plus the church e: route split starts after you sit on the throne just before the timeskip, Sothis tells you to become the crusader that will unify the world just like Nemesis. RazzleDazzleHour fucked around with this message at 04:14 on Aug 18, 2019 |
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Eimi posted:I can't decide if I'd actually like a golden route or not, but if they do it like that I'm sold. The best suggestion for a "golden route" I've seen is one where Garreg Mach ends up caught in the middle of a full-on repeat of the original war with Nemesis. The Agarthans wake him up earlier than in the Deer route and Rhea goes full Sothis mode and everyone's sort of forced to clench their teeth and work together or all of Fodlan will burn. Someone suggested that somewhere else and I thought it made the most sense for an "everyone ends up uniting" route out of anything else I'd read. RazzleDazzleHour posted:Also the real DLC route is professor and the students from all three houses starting a new nation and fighting against all three house leaders plus the church All three? I dunno, feels like Claude would just peace out as soon as things got that messy.
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Harrow posted:All three? I dunno, feels like Claude would just peace out as soon as things got that messy. Just the students, not the house leaders.
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indigi posted:I'm #StillWithHer #Edelgard/Bernie2020
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I kinda half expect the new content to not be a full route but like extra paralogues or scenarios that go into some kinda under-cooked parts of the game. Like a paralogue where Jeralt or Rhea are playable. Some map where all the house leaders can be deployed together since I think their relationships could use some fleshing out. Or maybe something that goes into whatever happened with Edie and Dimitri's mum. Just kinda individiual maps or a few sets of maps like that.
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