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Drunk Theory: Aug 20, 2016; Oven Wrangler

Mr.PayDay posted:

The replies in the roadmap threads of r/storecitizen are confusing me.
It’s like many of them had a reality check, many even leave criticism in their comments.
There were even some that feel that Chris Failberts desperately needs project managers (lol 8 years later!) and WTF, there are some that voice serious and open doubts they will deliver neither SC nor SQ42 in 2021 if ever.

It's getting harder and harder to defend. And the people complaining now we're the people too uninformed or too stupid to get a refund while they were offered so they are stuck.

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Dementropy: Aug 23, 2010

https://twitter.com/Rexzilla/status/1162810385310867457

# ? Aug 18, 2019 02:08

Chocobo: Oct 15, 2012; Here comes a new challenger!; Oven Wrangler

Dogeh posted:

1) The bandage was wound around the wound.

2) The farm was used to produce produce.

3) The dump was so full that it had to refuse more refuse.

4) We must polish the Polish furniture..

5) He could lead if he would get the lead out.

6) The soldier decided to desert his dessert in the desert..

7) Since there is no time like the present, he thought it was time to present the present.

8) A bass was painted on the head of the bass drum.

9) When shot at, the dove dove into the bushes.

10) I did not object to the object.

11) The insurance was invalid for the invalid.

12) There was a row among the oarsmen about how to row.

13) They were too close to the door to close it.

14) The buck does funny things when the does are present.

15) A seamstress and a sewer fell down into a sewer line.

16) To help with planting, the farmer taught his sow to sow.

17) The wind was too strong to wind the sail.

18) Upon seeing the tear in the painting I shed a tear..

19) I had to subject the subject to a series of tests.

20) How can I intimate this to my most intimate friend?

Gerard Nolst Trenit� - The Chaos (1922)

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.

I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.

Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.

Sword and sward, retain and Britain
(Mind the latter how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade,
Say-said, pay-paid, laid but plaid.

Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
But be careful how you speak,
Say: gush, bush, steak, streak, break, bleak ,

Previous, precious, fuchsia, via
Recipe, pipe, studding-sail, choir;
Woven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.

Say, expecting fraud and trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Branch, ranch, measles, topsails, aisles,
Missiles, similes, reviles.

Wholly, holly, signal, signing,
Same, examining, but mining,
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far.

From "desire": desirable-admirable from "admire",
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier,
Topsham, brougham, renown, but known,
Knowledge, done, lone, gone, none, tone,

One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel.
Gertrude, German, wind and wind,
Beau, kind, kindred, queue, mankind,

Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, Reading, heathen, heather.
This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.

Have you ever yet endeavoured
To pronounce revered and severed,
Demon, lemon, ghoul, foul, soul,
Peter, petrol and patrol?

Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.

Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which exactly rhymes with khaki.
Discount, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward,

Ricocheted and crocheting, croquet?
Right! Your pronunciation's OK.
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Is your r correct in higher?
Keats asserts it rhymes Thalia.
Hugh, but hug, and hood, but hoot,
Buoyant, minute, but minute.

Say abscission with precision,
Now: position and transition;
Would it tally with my rhyme
If I mentioned paradigm?

Twopence, threepence, tease are easy,
But cease, crease, grease and greasy?
Cornice, nice, valise, revise,
Rabies, but lullabies.

Of such puzzling words as nauseous,
Rhyming well with cautious, tortious,
You'll envelop lists, I hope,
In a linen envelope.

Would you like some more? You'll have it!
Affidavit, David, davit.
To abjure, to perjure. Sheik
Does not sound like Czech but ache.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, loch, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed but vowed.

Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover.
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice,

Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal,

Suit, suite, ruin. Circuit, conduit
Rhyme with "shirk it" and "beyond it",
But it is not hard to tell
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.

Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
Has the a of drachm and hammer.
Pussy, hussy and possess,
Desert, but desert, address.

Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants
Hoist in lieu of flags left pennants.
Courier, courtier, tomb, bomb, comb,
Cow, but Cowper, some and home.

"Solder, soldier! Blood is thicker",
Quoth he, "than liqueur or liquor",
Making, it is sad but true,
In bravado, much ado.

Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Pilot, pivot, gaunt, but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand and grant.

Arsenic, specific, scenic,
Relic, rhetoric, hygienic.
Gooseberry, goose, and close, but close,
Paradise, rise, rose, and dose.

Say inveigh, neigh, but inveigle,
Make the latter rhyme with eagle.
Mind! Meandering but mean,
Valentine and magazine.

And I bet you, dear, a penny,
You say mani-(fold) like many,
Which is wrong. Say rapier, pier,
Tier (one who ties), but tier.

Arch, archangel; pray, does erring
Rhyme with herring or with stirring?
Prison, bison, treasure trove,
Treason, hover, cover, cove,

Perseverance, severance. Ribald
Rhymes (but piebald doesn't) with nibbled.
Phaeton, paean, gnat, ghat, gnaw,
Lien, psychic, shone, bone, pshaw.

Don't be down, my own, but rough it,
And distinguish buffet, buffet;
Brood, stood, roof, rook, school, wool, boon,
Worcester, Boleyn, to impugn.

Say in sounds correct and sterling
Hearse, hear, hearken, year and yearling.
Evil, devil, mezzotint,
Mind the z! (A gentle hint.)

Now you need not pay attention
To such sounds as I don't mention,
Sounds like pores, pause, pours and paws,
Rhyming with the pronoun yours;

Nor are proper names included,
Though I often heard, as you did,
Funny rhymes to unicorn,
Yes, you know them, Vaughan and Strachan.

No, my maiden, coy and comely,
I don't want to speak of Cholmondeley.
No. Yet Froude compared with proud
Is no better than McLeod.

But mind trivial and vial,
Tripod, menial, denial,
Troll and trolley, realm and ream,
Schedule, mischief, schism, and scheme.

Argil, gill, Argyll, gill. Surely
May be made to rhyme with Raleigh,
But you're not supposed to say
Piquet rhymes with sobriquet.

Had this invalid invalid
Worthless documents? How pallid,
How uncouth he, couchant, looked,
When for Portsmouth I had booked!

Zeus, Thebes, Thales, Aphrodite,
Paramour, enamoured, flighty,
Episodes, antipodes,
Acquiesce, and obsequies.

Please don't monkey with the geyser,
Don't peel 'taters with my razor,
Rather say in accents pure:
Nature, stature and mature.

Pious, impious, limb, climb, glumly,
Worsted, worsted, crumbly, dumbly,
Conquer, conquest, vase, phase, fan,
Wan, sedan and artisan.

The th will surely trouble you
More than r, ch or w.
Say then these phonetic gems:
Thomas, thyme, Theresa, Thames.

Thompson, Chatham, Waltham, Streatham,
There are more but I forget 'em-
Wait! I've got it: Anthony,
Lighten your anxiety.

The archaic word albeit
Does not rhyme with eight-you see it;
With and forthwith, one has voice,
One has not, you make your choice.

Shoes, goes, does *. Now first say: finger;
Then say: singer, ginger, linger.
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age,

Hero, heron, query, very,
Parry, tarry fury, bury,
Dost, lost, post, and doth, cloth, loth,
Job, Job, blossom, bosom, oath.

Faugh, oppugnant, keen oppugners,
Bowing, bowing, banjo-tuners
Holm you know, but noes, canoes,
Puisne, truism, use, to use?

Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual,
Seat, sweat, chaste, caste, Leigh, eight, height,
Put, nut, granite, and unite.

Reefer does not rhyme with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint, senate, but sedate.

Gaelic, Arabic, pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific;
Tour, but our, dour, succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.

Say manoeuvre, yacht and vomit,
Next omit, which differs from it
Bona fide, alibi
Gyrate, dowry and awry.

Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion,
Rally with ally; yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay!

Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.
Never guess-it is not safe,
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralf.

Starry, granary, canary,
Crevice, but device, and eyrie,
Face, but preface, then grimace,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, rear end, glass, bass.

Bass, large, target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, oust, joust, and scour, but scourging;
Ear, but earn; and ere and tear
Do not rhyme with here but heir.

Mind the o of off and often
Which may be pronounced as orphan,
With the sound of saw and sauce;
Also soft, lost, cloth and cross.

Pudding, puddle, putting. Putting?
Yes: at golf it rhymes with shutting.
Respite, spite, consent, resent.
Liable, but Parliament.

Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, clerk and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, demesne, cork, work.

A of valour, vapid vapour,
S of news (compare newspaper),
G of gibbet, gibbon, gist,
I of antichrist and grist,

Differ like diverse and divers,
Rivers, strivers, shivers, fivers.
Once, but nonce, toll, doll, but roll,
Polish, Polish, poll and poll.

Pronunciation-think of Psyche!-
Is a paling, stout and spiky.
Won't it make you lose your wits
Writing groats and saying "grits"?

It's a dark abyss or tunnel
Strewn with stones like rowlock, gunwale,
Islington, and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?
Finally, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, bough, cough, hough, sough, tough??

Hiccough has the sound of sup...
My advice is: GIVE IT UP!

# ? Aug 18, 2019 02:09

Potato Salad: Oct 23, 2014; nobody cares

Dementropy posted:

https://twitter.com/Rexzilla/status/1162810385310867457

I watched a friend try to play sc on a $4,000 computer last week at his (very lax) workplace

it doesn't work. were it any other game, citizens would be comparing it to Greenlight junkware

how does rexzilla put up with it in good streams, if any of you sample his material?

# ? Aug 18, 2019 02:15

Asmodai_00: Nov 26, 2007

Dementropy posted:

https://twitter.com/Rexzilla/status/1162810385310867457

there is no way this is not a long con troll

# ? Aug 18, 2019 02:16

Thoatse: Feb 29, 2016; Lol said the scorpion, lmao

Chocobo posted:

Gerard Nolst Trenit� - The Chaos (1922)

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.

I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.

Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.

Sword and sward, retain and Britain
(Mind the latter how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade,
Say-said, pay-paid, laid but plaid.

Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
But be careful how you speak,
Say: gush, bush, steak, streak, break, bleak ,

Previous, precious, fuchsia, via
Recipe, pipe, studding-sail, choir;
Woven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.

Say, expecting fraud and trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Branch, ranch, measles, topsails, aisles,
Missiles, similes, reviles.

Wholly, holly, signal, signing,
Same, examining, but mining,
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far.

From "desire": desirable-admirable from "admire",
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier,
Topsham, brougham, renown, but known,
Knowledge, done, lone, gone, none, tone,

One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel.
Gertrude, German, wind and wind,
Beau, kind, kindred, queue, mankind,

Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, Reading, heathen, heather.
This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.

Have you ever yet endeavoured
To pronounce revered and severed,
Demon, lemon, ghoul, foul, soul,
Peter, petrol and patrol?

Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.

Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which exactly rhymes with khaki.
Discount, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward,

Ricocheted and crocheting, croquet?
Right! Your pronunciation's OK.
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Is your r correct in higher?
Keats asserts it rhymes Thalia.
Hugh, but hug, and hood, but hoot,
Buoyant, minute, but minute.

Say abscission with precision,
Now: position and transition;
Would it tally with my rhyme
If I mentioned paradigm?

Twopence, threepence, tease are easy,
But cease, crease, grease and greasy?
Cornice, nice, valise, revise,
Rabies, but lullabies.

Of such puzzling words as nauseous,
Rhyming well with cautious, tortious,
You'll envelop lists, I hope,
In a linen envelope.

Would you like some more? You'll have it!
Affidavit, David, davit.
To abjure, to perjure. Sheik
Does not sound like Czech but ache.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, loch, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed but vowed.

Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover.
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice,

Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal,

Suit, suite, ruin. Circuit, conduit
Rhyme with "shirk it" and "beyond it",
But it is not hard to tell
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.

Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
Has the a of drachm and hammer.
Pussy, hussy and possess,
Desert, but desert, address.

Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants
Hoist in lieu of flags left pennants.
Courier, courtier, tomb, bomb, comb,
Cow, but Cowper, some and home.

"Solder, soldier! Blood is thicker",
Quoth he, "than liqueur or liquor",
Making, it is sad but true,
In bravado, much ado.

Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Pilot, pivot, gaunt, but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand and grant.

Arsenic, specific, scenic,
Relic, rhetoric, hygienic.
Gooseberry, goose, and close, but close,
Paradise, rise, rose, and dose.

Say inveigh, neigh, but inveigle,
Make the latter rhyme with eagle.
Mind! Meandering but mean,
Valentine and magazine.

And I bet you, dear, a penny,
You say mani-(fold) like many,
Which is wrong. Say rapier, pier,
Tier (one who ties), but tier.

Arch, archangel; pray, does erring
Rhyme with herring or with stirring?
Prison, bison, treasure trove,
Treason, hover, cover, cove,

Perseverance, severance. Ribald
Rhymes (but piebald doesn't) with nibbled.
Phaeton, paean, gnat, ghat, gnaw,
Lien, psychic, shone, bone, pshaw.

Don't be down, my own, but rough it,
And distinguish buffet, buffet;
Brood, stood, roof, rook, school, wool, boon,
Worcester, Boleyn, to impugn.

Say in sounds correct and sterling
Hearse, hear, hearken, year and yearling.
Evil, devil, mezzotint,
Mind the z! (A gentle hint.)

Now you need not pay attention
To such sounds as I don't mention,
Sounds like pores, pause, pours and paws,
Rhyming with the pronoun yours;

Nor are proper names included,
Though I often heard, as you did,
Funny rhymes to unicorn,
Yes, you know them, Vaughan and Strachan.

No, my maiden, coy and comely,
I don't want to speak of Cholmondeley.
No. Yet Froude compared with proud
Is no better than McLeod.

But mind trivial and vial,
Tripod, menial, denial,
Troll and trolley, realm and ream,
Schedule, mischief, schism, and scheme.

Argil, gill, Argyll, gill. Surely
May be made to rhyme with Raleigh,
But you're not supposed to say
Piquet rhymes with sobriquet.

Had this invalid invalid
Worthless documents? How pallid,
How uncouth he, couchant, looked,
When for Portsmouth I had booked!

Zeus, Thebes, Thales, Aphrodite,
Paramour, enamoured, flighty,
Episodes, antipodes,
Acquiesce, and obsequies.

Please don't monkey with the geyser,
Don't peel 'taters with my razor,
Rather say in accents pure:
Nature, stature and mature.

Pious, impious, limb, climb, glumly,
Worsted, worsted, crumbly, dumbly,
Conquer, conquest, vase, phase, fan,
Wan, sedan and artisan.

The th will surely trouble you
More than r, ch or w.
Say then these phonetic gems:
Thomas, thyme, Theresa, Thames.

Thompson, Chatham, Waltham, Streatham,
There are more but I forget 'em-
Wait! I've got it: Anthony,
Lighten your anxiety.

The archaic word albeit
Does not rhyme with eight-you see it;
With and forthwith, one has voice,
One has not, you make your choice.

Shoes, goes, does *. Now first say: finger;
Then say: singer, ginger, linger.
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age,

Hero, heron, query, very,
Parry, tarry fury, bury,
Dost, lost, post, and doth, cloth, loth,
Job, Job, blossom, bosom, oath.

Faugh, oppugnant, keen oppugners,
Bowing, bowing, banjo-tuners
Holm you know, but noes, canoes,
Puisne, truism, use, to use?

Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual,
Seat, sweat, chaste, caste, Leigh, eight, height,
Put, nut, granite, and unite.

Reefer does not rhyme with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint, senate, but sedate.

Gaelic, Arabic, pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific;
Tour, but our, dour, succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.

Say manoeuvre, yacht and vomit,
Next omit, which differs from it
Bona fide, alibi
Gyrate, dowry and awry.

Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion,
Rally with ally; yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay!

Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.
Never guess-it is not safe,
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralf.

Starry, granary, canary,
Crevice, but device, and eyrie,
Face, but preface, then grimace,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, rear end, glass, bass.

Bass, large, target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, oust, joust, and scour, but scourging;
Ear, but earn; and ere and tear
Do not rhyme with here but heir.

Mind the o of off and often
Which may be pronounced as orphan,
With the sound of saw and sauce;
Also soft, lost, cloth and cross.

Pudding, puddle, putting. Putting?
Yes: at golf it rhymes with shutting.
Respite, spite, consent, resent.
Liable, but Parliament.

Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, clerk and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, demesne, cork, work.

A of valour, vapid vapour,
S of news (compare newspaper),
G of gibbet, gibbon, gist,
I of antichrist and grist,

Differ like diverse and divers,
Rivers, strivers, shivers, fivers.
Once, but nonce, toll, doll, but roll,
Polish, Polish, poll and poll.

Pronunciation-think of Psyche!-
Is a paling, stout and spiky.
Won't it make you lose your wits
Writing groats and saying "grits"?

It's a dark abyss or tunnel
Strewn with stones like rowlock, gunwale,
Islington, and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?
Finally, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, bough, cough, hough, sough, tough??

Hiccough has the sound of sup...
My advice is: GIVE IT UP!

# ? Aug 18, 2019 02:33

colonelwest: Jun 30, 2018

The cultists are out in full force on Reddit this morning trying to control the latest outbreak of FUD. As they get heavily downvoted they just become more unhinged, seeing the dreaded Goon horde lurking behind every corner. It�s pretty hilarious.

Of course dozens of astroturfing screenshot posts have turned up like clockwork too.

colonelwest fucked around with this message at 18:26 on Aug 18, 2019

# ? Aug 18, 2019 02:39

Sanya Juutilainen: Jun 19, 2019; by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

Um. Season passes are by definition when you purchase an otherwise atomic group of items such as sports tickets or DLC in bulk beforehand, typically receiving a discount(...)

There's no established definition, really, in the gaming. What would you call it otherwise anyway? It's a season of content and you buy a pass to access it...

# ? Aug 18, 2019 03:06

Sillybones: Aug 10, 2013; go away,
spooky skeleton,
go away

Dementropy posted:

https://twitter.com/Rexzilla/status/1162810385310867457

Did the streamer seriously get the 'enemies' to shoot around and at the ceiling so they wouldn't accidentally ruin the video?

The hell is anyhing

# ? Aug 18, 2019 03:14

Rotten Red Rod: Mar 5, 2002

His whole Red Bull sponsorship thing confuses the hell out of me. What association does Red Bull have with CIG? Which one of them is paying for the videos? And how much value are either one getting out of a guy with 13k subs that gets sub-10k views on most of his weekly videos?

Also I love how whenever some dies in SC they pop up like a bunch of their joints were springs that suddenly got released, kind of ruins all the milsim tension.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 03:14

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Sanya Juutilainen posted:

There's no established definition, really, in the gaming. What would you call it otherwise anyway? It's a season of content and you buy a pass to access it...

Nothing in PC gaming ever needed to be referred to as a "season" in the first place, until they tried to e-sport everything. That opened the door to a lot of poo poo that spilled over into games that aren't even seasonal in nature.

Season passes let you save a few bucks for a given number of single expansion packs that come out, no matter how bad they turn out to be, but gives the developer the money anyway. Just buying the expansions if they're worth it and skipping out on the bad ones winds up being cheaper, and incentivizes the developers to put their best foot forward. The approach chosen is a clue as to the developer's desired effort level.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 03:14

Amazing Zimmo: Jan 27, 2006; That's quite a load you got in them diapers

https://twitter.com/giogetmoneyTV/status/1160682613620822016

# ? Aug 18, 2019 03:55

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Mr.PayDay posted:

The replies in the roadmap threads of r/storecitizen are confusing me.
It�s like many of them had a reality check, many even leave criticism in their comments.
There were even some that feel that Chris Failberts desperately needs project managers (lol 8 years later!) and WTF, there are some that voice serious and open doubts they will deliver neither SC nor SQ42 in 2021 if ever.

There are between 2000-3000 idiots keeping the dream alive. Most people aren't that dumb and you are reading their comments.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 04:26

skeletors_condom: Jul 21, 2017

# ? Aug 18, 2019 04:40

Asmodai_00: Nov 26, 2007

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Stupid Crowdfunding Accomplishments Mausoleum > Star Citizen: A week or two

# ? Aug 18, 2019 04:43

Pilz: Jul 25, 2016; Grimey Drawer

Scruffpuff posted:

Nothing in PC gaming ever needed to be referred to as a "season" in the first place, until they tried to e-sport everything. That opened the door to a lot of poo poo that spilled over into games that aren't even seasonal in nature.

Season passes let you save a few bucks for a given number of single expansion packs that come out, no matter how bad they turn out to be, but gives the developer the money anyway. Just buying the expansions if they're worth it and skipping out on the bad ones winds up being cheaper, and incentivizes the developers to put their best foot forward. The approach chosen is a clue as to the developer's desired effort level.

When the first season passes came out they weren't even divided into seasons of content - that's a Live Services brand of bullshit. Originally it was just a way to preorder all incoming DLC at a discounted price compared to the price of purchasing each piece of content at full price as it came out.

Modern monetization strategies have become pretty scary to me, as the constant badgering to keep playing or fall behind stresses me out. It turns my attempt at escapism into a chore.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 05:03

Drunk Theory: Aug 20, 2016; Oven Wrangler

Asmodai_00 posted:

The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > Games > Stupid Crowdfunding Accomplishments Mausoleum > Star Citizen: A week or two

Star Citizen: Two weeks?

# ? Aug 18, 2019 05:04

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

# ? Aug 18, 2019 05:26

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Pilz posted:

When the first season passes came out they weren't even divided into seasons of content - that's a Live Services brand of bullshit. Originally it was just a way to preorder all incoming DLC at a discounted price compared to the price of purchasing each piece of content at full price as it came out.

Modern monetization strategies have become pretty scary to me, as the constant badgering to keep playing or fall behind stresses me out. It turns my attempt at escapism into a chore.

The bolded part is more or less what I'm getting at, though. It's preordering with a different coat of paint. Devs don't have much incentive to make the DLCs worth anything if enough of them sell in advance anyway. It's impossible to calculate the actual value of all that DLC in advance, unless you just consider the developer-set price to be equal to the value. Which is, of course, what they want. Realistically, though, a lot of DLC is just very, very bad. Any and all of the "arena"-type DLC for games like Borderlands are incredible disappointments unless that's your bag.

The kind of player who absolutely is going to buy all the DLC the moment it comes out is going to get relative value for money buying a season pass. I don't know which percentage of players that really is, but I can't imagine it's a huge number. Which is why they tack on a few other extras, "cosmetics" being the ones that are funniest to me. Particularly things like "weapon paint."

# ? Aug 18, 2019 05:27

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Scruffpuff posted:

The bolded part is more or less what I'm getting at, though. It's preordering with a different coat of paint. Devs don't have much incentive to make the DLCs worth anything if enough of them sell in advance anyway. It's impossible to calculate the actual value of all that DLC in advance, unless you just consider the developer-set price to be equal to the value. Which is, of course, what they want. Realistically, though, a lot of DLC is just very, very bad. Any and all of the "arena"-type DLC for games like Borderlands are incredible disappointments unless that's your bag.

The kind of player who absolutely is going to buy all the DLC the moment it comes out is going to get relative value for money buying a season pass. I don't know which percentage of players that really is, but I can't imagine it's a huge number. Which is why they tack on a few other extras, "cosmetics" being the ones that are funniest to me. Particularly things like "weapon paint."

You should play Dead or Alive.

Now that's what I call season passes.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 05:33

Pilz: Jul 25, 2016; Grimey Drawer

Scruffpuff posted:

The bolded part is more or less what I'm getting at, though. It's preordering with a different coat of paint. Devs don't have much incentive to make the DLCs worth anything if enough of them sell in advance anyway. It's impossible to calculate the actual value of all that DLC in advance, unless you just consider the developer-set price to be equal to the value. Which is, of course, what they want. Realistically, though, a lot of DLC is just very, very bad. Any and all of the "arena"-type DLC for games like Borderlands are incredible disappointments unless that's your bag.

The kind of player who absolutely is going to buy all the DLC the moment it comes out is going to get relative value for money buying a season pass. I don't know which percentage of players that really is, but I can't imagine it's a huge number. Which is why they tack on a few other extras, "cosmetics" being the ones that are funniest to me. Particularly things like "weapon paint."

Yeah, I just wanted to point out that the season pass racket isn't just bad - it's bad on top of bad on top of bad. Just layers of bullshit stacked on top of one another.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 06:11

Bootcha: Nov 13, 2012; Truly, the pinnacle of goaltending; Grimey Drawer

So, in discussion with people of various knowledge specialties...

You guys should really read or re-read "The True Believer".

And you should stop thinking this is exclusively a "religious" phenomenon, and look at it from a political angle.

I'm not joking. The "cult" of Star Citizen has more to do with the mechanics of politics than it has to do with the mechanics of religious belief.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 06:54

MedicineHut: Feb 25, 2016

Chocobo posted:

Gerard Nolst Trenit� - The Chaos (1922)

Dearest creature in creation
Studying English pronunciation,
I will teach you in my verse
Sounds like corpse, corps, horse and worse.

I will keep you, Susy, busy,
Make your head with heat grow dizzy;
Tear in eye, your dress you'll tear;
Queer, fair seer, hear my prayer.

Pray, console your loving poet,
Make my coat look new, dear, sew it!
Just compare heart, hear and heard,
Dies and diet, lord and word.

Sword and sward, retain and Britain
(Mind the latter how it's written).
Made has not the sound of bade,
Say-said, pay-paid, laid but plaid.

Now I surely will not plague you
With such words as vague and ague,
But be careful how you speak,
Say: gush, bush, steak, streak, break, bleak ,

Previous, precious, fuchsia, via
Recipe, pipe, studding-sail, choir;
Woven, oven, how and low,
Script, receipt, shoe, poem, toe.

Say, expecting fraud and trickery:
Daughter, laughter and Terpsichore,
Branch, ranch, measles, topsails, aisles,
Missiles, similes, reviles.

Wholly, holly, signal, signing,
Same, examining, but mining,
Scholar, vicar, and cigar,
Solar, mica, war and far.

From "desire": desirable-admirable from "admire",
Lumber, plumber, bier, but brier,
Topsham, brougham, renown, but known,
Knowledge, done, lone, gone, none, tone,

One, anemone, Balmoral,
Kitchen, lichen, laundry, laurel.
Gertrude, German, wind and wind,
Beau, kind, kindred, queue, mankind,

Tortoise, turquoise, chamois-leather,
Reading, Reading, heathen, heather.
This phonetic labyrinth
Gives moss, gross, brook, brooch, ninth, plinth.

Have you ever yet endeavoured
To pronounce revered and severed,
Demon, lemon, ghoul, foul, soul,
Peter, petrol and patrol?

Billet does not end like ballet;
Bouquet, wallet, mallet, chalet.
Blood and flood are not like food,
Nor is mould like should and would.

Banquet is not nearly parquet,
Which exactly rhymes with khaki.
Discount, viscount, load and broad,
Toward, to forward, to reward,

Ricocheted and crocheting, croquet?
Right! Your pronunciation's OK.
Rounded, wounded, grieve and sieve,
Friend and fiend, alive and live.

Is your r correct in higher?
Keats asserts it rhymes Thalia.
Hugh, but hug, and hood, but hoot,
Buoyant, minute, but minute.

Say abscission with precision,
Now: position and transition;
Would it tally with my rhyme
If I mentioned paradigm?

Twopence, threepence, tease are easy,
But cease, crease, grease and greasy?
Cornice, nice, valise, revise,
Rabies, but lullabies.

Of such puzzling words as nauseous,
Rhyming well with cautious, tortious,
You'll envelop lists, I hope,
In a linen envelope.

Would you like some more? You'll have it!
Affidavit, David, davit.
To abjure, to perjure. Sheik
Does not sound like Czech but ache.

Liberty, library, heave and heaven,
Rachel, loch, moustache, eleven.
We say hallowed, but allowed,
People, leopard, towed but vowed.

Mark the difference, moreover,
Between mover, plover, Dover.
Leeches, breeches, wise, precise,
Chalice, but police and lice,

Camel, constable, unstable,
Principle, disciple, label.
Petal, penal, and canal,
Wait, surmise, plait, promise, pal,

Suit, suite, ruin. Circuit, conduit
Rhyme with "shirk it" and "beyond it",
But it is not hard to tell
Why it's pall, mall, but Pall Mall.

Muscle, muscular, gaol, iron,
Timber, climber, bullion, lion,
Worm and storm, chaise, chaos, chair,
Senator, spectator, mayor,

Ivy, privy, famous; clamour
Has the a of drachm and hammer.
Pussy, hussy and possess,
Desert, but desert, address.

Golf, wolf, countenance, lieutenants
Hoist in lieu of flags left pennants.
Courier, courtier, tomb, bomb, comb,
Cow, but Cowper, some and home.

"Solder, soldier! Blood is thicker",
Quoth he, "than liqueur or liquor",
Making, it is sad but true,
In bravado, much ado.

Stranger does not rhyme with anger,
Neither does devour with clangour.
Pilot, pivot, gaunt, but aunt,
Font, front, wont, want, grand and grant.

Arsenic, specific, scenic,
Relic, rhetoric, hygienic.
Gooseberry, goose, and close, but close,
Paradise, rise, rose, and dose.

Say inveigh, neigh, but inveigle,
Make the latter rhyme with eagle.
Mind! Meandering but mean,
Valentine and magazine.

And I bet you, dear, a penny,
You say mani-(fold) like many,
Which is wrong. Say rapier, pier,
Tier (one who ties), but tier.

Arch, archangel; pray, does erring
Rhyme with herring or with stirring?
Prison, bison, treasure trove,
Treason, hover, cover, cove,

Perseverance, severance. Ribald
Rhymes (but piebald doesn't) with nibbled.
Phaeton, paean, gnat, ghat, gnaw,
Lien, psychic, shone, bone, pshaw.

Don't be down, my own, but rough it,
And distinguish buffet, buffet;
Brood, stood, roof, rook, school, wool, boon,
Worcester, Boleyn, to impugn.

Say in sounds correct and sterling
Hearse, hear, hearken, year and yearling.
Evil, devil, mezzotint,
Mind the z! (A gentle hint.)

Now you need not pay attention
To such sounds as I don't mention,
Sounds like pores, pause, pours and paws,
Rhyming with the pronoun yours;

Nor are proper names included,
Though I often heard, as you did,
Funny rhymes to unicorn,
Yes, you know them, Vaughan and Strachan.

No, my maiden, coy and comely,
I don't want to speak of Cholmondeley.
No. Yet Froude compared with proud
Is no better than McLeod.

But mind trivial and vial,
Tripod, menial, denial,
Troll and trolley, realm and ream,
Schedule, mischief, schism, and scheme.

Argil, gill, Argyll, gill. Surely
May be made to rhyme with Raleigh,
But you're not supposed to say
Piquet rhymes with sobriquet.

Had this invalid invalid
Worthless documents? How pallid,
How uncouth he, couchant, looked,
When for Portsmouth I had booked!

Zeus, Thebes, Thales, Aphrodite,
Paramour, enamoured, flighty,
Episodes, antipodes,
Acquiesce, and obsequies.

Please don't monkey with the geyser,
Don't peel 'taters with my razor,
Rather say in accents pure:
Nature, stature and mature.

Pious, impious, limb, climb, glumly,
Worsted, worsted, crumbly, dumbly,
Conquer, conquest, vase, phase, fan,
Wan, sedan and artisan.

The th will surely trouble you
More than r, ch or w.
Say then these phonetic gems:
Thomas, thyme, Theresa, Thames.

Thompson, Chatham, Waltham, Streatham,
There are more but I forget 'em-
Wait! I've got it: Anthony,
Lighten your anxiety.

The archaic word albeit
Does not rhyme with eight-you see it;
With and forthwith, one has voice,
One has not, you make your choice.

Shoes, goes, does *. Now first say: finger;
Then say: singer, ginger, linger.
Real, zeal, mauve, gauze and gauge,
Marriage, foliage, mirage, age,

Hero, heron, query, very,
Parry, tarry fury, bury,
Dost, lost, post, and doth, cloth, loth,
Job, Job, blossom, bosom, oath.

Faugh, oppugnant, keen oppugners,
Bowing, bowing, banjo-tuners
Holm you know, but noes, canoes,
Puisne, truism, use, to use?

Though the difference seems little,
We say actual, but victual,
Seat, sweat, chaste, caste, Leigh, eight, height,
Put, nut, granite, and unite.

Reefer does not rhyme with deafer,
Feoffer does, and zephyr, heifer.
Dull, bull, Geoffrey, George, ate, late,
Hint, pint, senate, but sedate.

Gaelic, Arabic, pacific,
Science, conscience, scientific;
Tour, but our, dour, succour, four,
Gas, alas, and Arkansas.

Say manoeuvre, yacht and vomit,
Next omit, which differs from it
Bona fide, alibi
Gyrate, dowry and awry.

Sea, idea, guinea, area,
Psalm, Maria, but malaria.
Youth, south, southern, cleanse and clean,
Doctrine, turpentine, marine.

Compare alien with Italian,
Dandelion with battalion,
Rally with ally; yea, ye,
Eye, I, ay, aye, whey, key, quay!

Say aver, but ever, fever,
Neither, leisure, skein, receiver.
Never guess-it is not safe,
We say calves, valves, half, but Ralf.

Starry, granary, canary,
Crevice, but device, and eyrie,
Face, but preface, then grimace,
Phlegm, phlegmatic, rear end, glass, bass.

Bass, large, target, gin, give, verging,
Ought, oust, joust, and scour, but scourging;
Ear, but earn; and ere and tear
Do not rhyme with here but heir.

Mind the o of off and often
Which may be pronounced as orphan,
With the sound of saw and sauce;
Also soft, lost, cloth and cross.

Pudding, puddle, putting. Putting?
Yes: at golf it rhymes with shutting.
Respite, spite, consent, resent.
Liable, but Parliament.

Seven is right, but so is even,
Hyphen, roughen, nephew, Stephen,
Monkey, donkey, clerk and jerk,
Asp, grasp, wasp, demesne, cork, work.

A of valour, vapid vapour,
S of news (compare newspaper),
G of gibbet, gibbon, gist,
I of antichrist and grist,

Differ like diverse and divers,
Rivers, strivers, shivers, fivers.
Once, but nonce, toll, doll, but roll,
Polish, Polish, poll and poll.

Pronunciation-think of Psyche!-
Is a paling, stout and spiky.
Won't it make you lose your wits
Writing groats and saying "grits"?

It's a dark abyss or tunnel
Strewn with stones like rowlock, gunwale,
Islington, and Isle of Wight,
Housewife, verdict and indict.

Don't you think so, reader, rather,
Saying lather, bather, father?
Finally, which rhymes with enough,
Though, through, bough, cough, hough, sough, tough??

Hiccough has the sound of sup...
My advice is: GIVE IT UP!

Guys, guys, guys, please do not loving quote this thing entirely every time as it is eating my mouse scroll wheel!

# ? Aug 18, 2019 07:35

trucutru: Jul 9, 2003; by Fluffdaddy

Bootcha posted:

So, in discussion with people of various knowledge specialties...

You guys should really read or re-read "The True Believer".

And you should stop thinking this is exclusively a "religious" phenomenon, and look at it from a political angle.

I'm not joking. The "cult" of Star Citizen has more to do with the mechanics of politics than it has to do with the mechanics of religious belief.

Dunno, Make Space Games Great Again doesn't have the same kick to it.

But "Ma, Ma, Where�s My Game?" fits

# ? Aug 18, 2019 07:40

Anticheese: Feb 13, 2008; $60,000,000 sexbot

trucutru posted:

Dunno, Make Space Games Great Again doesn't have the same kick to it.

The Stellaris devs had a Make Space Great Again hat that disappeared riiiiiight around the 2016 election.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 07:49

Scruffpuff: Dec 23, 2015; Fidelity. Wait, was I'm working on again?

Bootcha posted:

So, in discussion with people of various knowledge specialties...

You guys should really read or re-read "The True Believer".

And you should stop thinking this is exclusively a "religious" phenomenon, and look at it from a political angle.

I'm not joking. The "cult" of Star Citizen has more to do with the mechanics of politics than it has to do with the mechanics of religious belief.

Those mechanics, whether you call them religious or political, have a laser-focus on the same weak point in the primate brain. Fear, inclusion, exclusion, social status, shaming, coercion - all the same poo poo. gently caress, even advertising works this way. The species is so, so far from the Star Trek enlightened scientific future so many of these citizen broke-brains think they're already ready for. The irony is painful at best.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 07:55

reverend crabhands: Feb 3, 2016

Mu77ley posted:

The long wait is more due to:

a) Gamer's being dumb fuckers and not understanding the simple concept of a season pass (hence the review bombing when Horizons first released)
b) Horizons having the roadmap publicly laid out for the entire expansion (major features at least) meant they were locked in to specific promised feature set with no wriggle-room for deviation if they thought of better/more important things along the way, or certain features turned out to be not as fun as expected, etc.

So this time they're completing the entire mega-update in advance and not telling anyone what's in it until they're absolutely sure about what is going to be delivered.

EDIT: This is what I gleaned from talking to a very drunk Sandro Sammarco (nice chap) at Lavecon the other year. Apart from calling gamers dumb fuckers, that's purely me. Sandro would never be so blunt.

Interesting, it makes sense. And aye I think it's a v good move to do that.

But perhaps it's a bit of both, I think we only have to look back to see a string of features that ended up not being fully implemented due to not having the space to rework underlying code to make it compatible with whatever new feature was being implemented.

Just some random stuff off the top of my head :

- SLF, 30km limitation, really puts a real dampner on various types of gameplay
- Multicrew, ie sorry your friend can't drive your SRV due to the way the game handles instancing
- Halting in supercruise, everything stops while the game does it's thing, so how do we have interactions here
- The sub-standard skin rendering system, this should be a big one for Frontier, it directly affects their bottom line
- HUD colours, which seems minor but I wouldn't be surprised if it's the #1 requested feature across all platforms

Generally there's a bunch of issues that require some pretty fundamental changes to the engine.

reverend crabhands fucked around with this message at 08:46 on Aug 18, 2019

# ? Aug 18, 2019 08:13

One in the Bum: Apr 25, 2014; Hair Elf

Pilz posted:

Yeah, I just wanted to point out that the season pass racket isn't just bad - it's bad on top of bad on top of bad. Just layers of bullshit stacked on top of one another.

I remember, I think it was Battlefield 4, tried to sell season passes on release day while promising 4 dlc packs that would be included in the price when they were finished. I remember just looking at that and thinking "why in the hell wouldn't I just wait and buy them individually?" I didn't buy the season pass and I had quit playing it altogether before any of the dlc went live.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 08:15

Blue On Blue: Nov 14, 2012

does anyone know what the first game to have a seasons pass was?

I'm trying hard to remember, and it may have been a call of duty?

it seems to be allover the place now, it's the goto method to sell dlc to people before its even finished or released

# ? Aug 18, 2019 08:20

stingtwo: Nov 16, 2012

Fighting games have had season passes for years before call of duty/battlefield got in on it.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 08:33

Mu77ley: Oct 14, 2016

TheDeadlyShoe posted:

Um. Season passes are by definition when you purchase an otherwise atomic group of items such as sports tickets or DLC in bulk beforehand, typically receiving a discount. Nothing in Horizons was split into individually purchasable items.

if a sports team said 'hey you can only come to any of our games if you buy tickets for ALL of them' people would laugh in your face. I'm pretty sure Sandro is the dumb fucker here. If they wanted wiggle room they shouldn't have pre-sold things they weren't sure about.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 10:17

Awesome Fidelity: Aug 16, 2017; The path i walk lights up in
fidelity

# ? Aug 18, 2019 10:20

NoMas: Oct 2, 2013; Man Moth!?

Mirificus posted:

https://twitter.com/appabend451/status/1160531053024432128
https://twitter.com/SimonSmellmont/status/1160644580108378114
https://twitter.com/Clouvas/status/1160648978171682817

Is start citzen a Nazi haven??

# ? Aug 18, 2019 10:40

Bofast: Feb 21, 2011; Grimey Drawer

Scruffpuff posted:

Those mechanics, whether you call them religious or political, have a laser-focus on the same weak point in the primate brain. Fear, inclusion, exclusion, social status, shaming, coercion - all the same poo poo. gently caress, even advertising works this way. The species is so, so far from the Star Trek enlightened scientific future so many of these citizen broke-brains think they're already ready for. The irony is painful at best.

If a Star Trek style semi-utopian future society actually happened (it won't), the more broke brained citizens would probably just end up holodeck addicts, because they would still not be able to deal with the real world where they can't lord over people.

# ? Aug 18, 2019 10:43