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Unlucky7 posted:In today’s money, $5000 is a little less than half a years pay at the poverty line. Not insignificant but hardly life changing, and certainly near the amount for what is basically comic books, the character. Sir, they signed a contract. They agreed on the terms of a legally binding obligation. Perhaps they should have negotiated better terms with the foresight that their character would be a literal genre-maker, or perhaps they would have been happier not knowing their intellectual labor produced an entire industry and piles of money. Tut tut tut.
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Good on yah for admitting your mistake, but it really betrays a complete ignorance to the entirety of the history of creators rights in American comics. I'd suggest you google Bill Finger for some further context, but it might just cause your head to fly off your head body.
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Aug 18, 2019 20:48
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Skwirl posted:Good on yah for admitting your mistake, but it really betrays a complete ignorance to the entirety of the history of creators rights in American comics. I'd suggest you google Bill Finger for some further context, but it might just cause your head to fly off your head body. Bob Kane did nothing wrong.txt
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Aug 18, 2019 20:50
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Rhyno posted:Bob Kane did nothing wrong.txt I dare you to say that in front of Jim Steranko.
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Aug 18, 2019 20:51
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Skwirl posted:I dare you to say that in front of Jim Steranko. He's old and has short arms, I can easily dodge his punches.
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Aug 18, 2019 20:53
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But was there a contract
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Rhyno posted:He's old and has short arms, I can easily dodge his punches. Never assume Steranko doesn't have a gun on him. Sure he was only planning to punch a decrepit Bob Kane, but dealing with someone younger and faster than him, who knows what he'd do in response. He's the basis for Mr Miracle for god's sake.
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Aug 18, 2019 20:56
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Skwirl posted:Never assume Steranko doesn't have a gun on him. Sure he was only planning to punch a decrepit Bob Kane, but dealing with someone younger and faster than him, who knows what he'd do in response. He's the basis for Mr Miracle for god's sake. I figure I can toss a rubik's cube at him to distract him and I'll get a good head start. For real though, he's like 5 feet tall.
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Aug 18, 2019 20:57
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Basically, "legal" is not the same as "right".
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Aug 18, 2019 22:07
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Bruceski posted:Basically, "legal" is not the same as "right". Also, again, mountains of lawsuits that DC either lost or settled out of court, so "legal" isn't really a correct description of it either.
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Aug 18, 2019 22:15
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Sterenko's a big Trumper so gently caress him too.
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Aug 18, 2019 22:32
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Bruceski posted:Basically, "legal" is not the same as "right". Gynovore posted:You know, now that I think about it, you're right. I went to Wikipedia and found out that Simon and Shuster spent most of their lives in near-poverty while DC made billions. Maybe DC was *technically* in the right, but they should have given S+S something more.
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Aug 18, 2019 22:42
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Something came up in my timeline - is the Fandom Menace comic-related, or just Star Wars-related specifically?
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Endless Mike posted:Sterenko's a big Trumper so gently caress him too. He's been weirdly quiet about Trump in the past year or so too, weird how a tough talkin' two-fisted pistol-packin' wheelin'-dealin' kiss-stealin' magic man who never takes no poo poo from anybody buster isn't standing up for what he believe in of late! I forgot that the Bob Kane story isn't even that good, either. There's a few different tellings of it online but the details are always: Bob Kane and Jim Steranko meet each other at San Diego Comicon. Kane is generally polite but either Kane complains how Steranko was unfair to him in his Batman coverage in the History of Comics, or Steranko hates the fancy lad/half-gay clothes Kane is wearing, or both. Then as they're leaving, Bob Kane does a mock cuff/punch to Steranko's shoulder/face, in what Steranko interprets as a supreme lack of disrespect from this dandy fop who isn't from the fuckin' mean fuckin' streets like Steranko is. He spends the rest of the day upset, and a sleepless night in agony over the emasculating disrespect that Bob Fuckin' Ascot Wearing Never Been In a Knife Fight Fuckin' Kane bestowed on the badass cerebral assassin Jim Steranko. He can NOT let this besmirchment and dishonor stand. So Steranko finds him the next day and "bitch slaps" Kane, challenging him to throw a punch. Kane does not throw a punch. Game set Steranko  And then usually he throws in some sort of thing about Kane disrespecting Finger and Robinson and etc. but the fact that Bob Kane was wearing an ascot and sissy shoes seems to come up way more often than creators' rights in his telling of it. Edge & Christian fucked around with this message at 23:15 on Aug 18, 2019 |
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Dawgstar posted:Something came up in my timeline - is the Fandom Menace comic-related, or just Star Wars-related specifically? Star Wars, specifically how Disney does Star Wars. I haven’t watched any of their content but assume their grievances are of the “little white cuck ball” variety.
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Aug 18, 2019 23:41
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Dawgstar posted:Something came up in my timeline - is the Fandom Menace comic-related, or just Star Wars-related specifically? If you're asking if we're going to discuss Star Wars fans and how terrible they are in this thread the answer is absolutely not.
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Aug 18, 2019 23:45
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Yeah that's basically a whole 'nother thread. Possibly even forum.
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Gynovore posted:Yes, that's Spiegleman's article, but it still has a lot of wrong, primarily the bit about Siegel and Shuster being "bilked" out of "rewards" for Superman. They were not. They sold the rights to Superman to Detective Comics for a very fair sum of money; $240, which is about $5000 in today's money, a staggering sum for two teenagers in the Depression. Please contact Elon Musk and commission a rocket to send yourself outside the solar system so you cannot ever post or talk to anyone ever again.
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Aug 19, 2019 07:01
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Check that person's rap sheet. gently caress off Gynovore.
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Endless Mike posted:Sterenko's a big Trumper so gently caress him too. Steranko is a giant con man so birds of a feather and all that.
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Rhyno posted:Bob Kane did nothing wrong.txt The .txt part is pretty much stated on his tombstone.
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Madkal posted:The .txt part is pretty much stated on his tombstone. Kane's tombstone is hilarious. It not only says Bob Kane, Bruce Wayne and Batman are one in the same, but also goes on to claim how Batman was divinely inspired. (And it may have well been, but to Bill Finger.)
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Dawgstar posted:Kane's tombstone is hilarious. It not only says Bob Kane, Bruce Wayne and Batman are one in the same, but also goes on to claim how Batman was divinely inspired. (And it may have well been, but to Bill Finger.) You could just post it. 
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Aug 20, 2019 14:21
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Bet that sees a lot of poop.
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Aug 20, 2019 14:21
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I like how that epitaph thinks we're too stupid to know that Bob is a nickname for Robert.
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Aug 20, 2019 14:24
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The american trend of naming your child one thing, but then calling them another is so weird.
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Oasx posted:The american trend of naming your child one thing, but then calling them another is so weird. You seriously think it's an American-only thing?
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Oasx posted:The american trend of naming your child one thing, but then calling them another is so weird.
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Genuine question, are there any cultures that don't have diminuatives/nicknames/shortenings? EDIT: Real world cultures, if this is baked into Vulcan or Dothraki lore I don't really care.
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Aug 20, 2019 19:06
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Nobody in the UK goes by Bob. NO ONE.
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Oasx posted:The american trend of naming your child one thing, but then calling them another is so weird. You should google all the nicknames for Robert some time, it's totally wild. I think one of them might have even been a British.
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Rhyno posted:Nobody in the UK goes by Bob. Except that one guy who's everyone's uncle.
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I never said that other countries don't have nicknames, but it is odd how systematic it is in the US. You plan for your child to be called A, therefore you name him/her B.
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Oasx posted:I never said that other countries don't have nicknames, but it is odd how systematic it is in the US. You plan for your child to be called A, therefore you name him/her B. that doesn't happen at all in the united states, you deranged dane
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Oasx posted:I never said that other countries don't have nicknames, but it is odd how systematic it is in the US. You plan for your child to be called A, therefore you name him/her B. I think people mostly only do that when they're naming their kids after the father or mother, and again, I don't think that's a uniquely American thing.
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KC Green's real name is Kenneth or something but everyone's called him KC his entire life. So it definitely happens.
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I've never quite understood the catholic(?) thing of using a biblical name like "George Paul" but then calling your kid "Joey". But again I'm like 99% certain that's not exclusive to the us.
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My mom had a short name so she gave her children longer names that could have cute nicknames.
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SoftNum posted:I've never quite understood the catholic(?) thing of using a biblical name like "George Paul" but then calling your kid "Joey". It's a ritualistic thing. Baptismal names are, more often than not, the same as one's legal name. Confirmation names are generally different, but no one really uses them for anything.
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I guess there's kind of a difference between like Christopher === Chris Jennifer === Jenny/Jen James === Jim/Jimmy Which I guess count as the "name your kids X and plan to call them Y", versus a "Chatsworth Ellery Jonson" == Bunny Jonson thing. But this is also ascribing a whole lot of agency to the parents at childbirth, and assuming that the nickname didn't come up organically, either from the family or friends or the person themselves who just really hated being named Chatsworth. I'm not sure (outside of a deep sense of familial obligation/pressure) there's anyone out there going "We will name our daughter Mildred, but from this day forth we shall only ever refer to her as Tina! We're fuckin' scamps!"
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