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Known Lecher posted:Yeah but they've disappeared at least one mainland billionaire from the Four Seasons in Hong Kong so it's not like the writing isn't on the wall there for Hong Kong's elites if they don't toe the party line. The main purpose of the extradition bill is to legally curb illegal economic activities and catch the corrupted officials who ran to HK. I have heard multiple pro protesters admit to it on YouTube shows. The purpose of the bill is not for the normal HKers who barely go to the mainland and not for the dissidents. Beijing already can grab dissident book sellers without that bill and you don't see any foreign leader raise a flag about that.
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Aug 18, 2019 12:17
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tino posted:Beijing already can grab dissident book sellers without that bill and you don't see any foreign leader raise a flag about that. This part isn’t actually good tho. Disappearing billionaires is cool and funny, grabbing book sellers and journalists, even if they’re lame liberals or conservatives, is not so much.
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Aug 18, 2019 12:23
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Lightning Knight posted:This part isn’t actually good tho. Disappearing billionaires is cool and funny, grabbing book sellers and journalists, even if they’re lame liberals or conservatives, is not so much. I don't think the extradition bill include any political crime. What I am saying is if you are a Chinese dissident living in HK you have to assume certain risk. I don't think China has grab any journalist. What their approach so far is buying out the big media.
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Aug 18, 2019 12:32
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tino posted:The main purpose of the extradition bill is to legally curb illegal economic activities and catch the corrupted officials who ran to HK. I have heard multiple pro protesters admit to it on YouTube shows. The purpose of the bill is not for the normal HKers who barely go to the mainland and not for the dissidents. Beijing already can grab dissident book sellers without that bill and you don't see any foreign leader raise a flag about that. didn't business interests already lobby successfully for those economic activities to not be considered an extraditable?
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Aug 18, 2019 13:16
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Lady Galaga posted:didn't business interests already lobby successfully for those economic activities to not be considered an extraditable? Maybe it includes corruption but doesn't include money laundering? I honestly don't know.
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Aug 18, 2019 13:19
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tino posted:Beijing already can grab dissident book sellers without that bill and you don't see any foreign leader raise a flag about that. critical thinking isn't really a skill you've honed yet, tino
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Aug 18, 2019 15:12
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Aug 18, 2019 17:38
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sincx posted:I think regardless of your personal position on the protesters, you have to agree that cops suck. You'd think, but the recently banned CAPS LOCK BROKEN would show otherwise. Also there are cop supporters in the Vene threads but I don't want to verify because the tankies there are even more numerous and vocal
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Aug 18, 2019 17:44
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why does the ccp have so many billionaires shouldnt they like redistribute that wealth to the people?
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Aug 18, 2019 17:48
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tino posted:Maybe it includes corruption but doesn't include money laundering? I honestly don't know. "I honestly don't know" is the smartest thing you said so far. You know jack poo poo Tino you glass hearted little bitch. Both money laundering and corruption are included in the extradition bill. Only 9 white collar crimes were made exempt. Also that "political crimes" exemption is useless since the PRC will simply use a non political crime as a pretext. Nobody wants that extradition bill except tankie toolbags that don't live in HK but still love to get their vaccines and milk powder here. The Great Autismo! posted:critical thinking isn't really a skill you've honed yet, tino Truth. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Aug 18, 2019 19:43
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It's a common misconception that authoritarian regimes like China charge people with "political crimes" as if the cops show up and say "you're under arrest for thinking/saying the wrong thing" when they actually use real laws that exist in democracies like libel or slander or sedition. Although the PRC does actually like using one called "picking fights and stirring up trouble" that you won't find elsewhere, but it's not actually called anything political. Nothing could protect people from an extradition law to China, because the entire justice system in China is controlled directly and heavily handed by the government. Anyone in Hong Kong could be charged with any crime at any time by a mainland court.
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Aug 18, 2019 20:12
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iceaim posted:"I honestly don't know" is the smartest thing you said so far. You know jack poo poo Tino you glass hearted little bitch. Both money laundering and corruption are included in the extradition bill. Only 9 white collar crimes were made exempt. Buddy. I don't come here to "win on the internet", whatever gets you off. Feel free to contribute information to the thread.
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Aug 18, 2019 20:23
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Real hurthling! posted:why does the ccp have so many billionaires shouldnt they like redistribute that wealth to the people? They occasionally kill their billionaires when they get too uppity which is more than any western nation can say
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Aug 18, 2019 20:39
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Dreddout posted:They occasionally kill their billionaires when they get too uppity which is more than any western nation can say ok explain jeff epstein then genious
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Aug 18, 2019 20:44
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Dreddout posted:They occasionally kill their billionaires when they get too uppity which is more than any western nation can say This is literally only done so other bigger billionaires can consolidate their power
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Aug 18, 2019 21:46
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:ok explain jeff epstein then genious he wasn't too uppity he just got caught with his hand in the proverbial pizza box
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Aug 18, 2019 22:29
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Aug 18, 2019 22:39
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the only billionaire china has executed in the last decade or so was a mob boss, Liu Han
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Aug 18, 2019 22:46
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Sheng-Ji Yang posted:the only billionaire china has executed in the last decade or so was a mob boss, Liu Han This is 30th dimensional chess to implement true socialism by making all of china billionaires
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Aug 18, 2019 22:52
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Nah, it's that guy in the poliburo standing committee and Xi still got him in the jail. He was a billionaire.
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Aug 18, 2019 23:08
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Dreddout posted:They occasionally kill their billionaires when they get too uppity which is more than any western nation can say
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Aug 18, 2019 23:42
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tino posted:Buddy. I don't come here to "win on the internet", whatever gets you off. I already did you troglodyte. Maybe improve your reading comprehension a bit? And stop reporting me like a complete thin skinned passive aggressive bitch because you can't handle a reality check on your bullshit. Here let me further educate your knuckle dragging rear end: The extradition law wasn’t the only piece of legislation that the government is trying to amend. They also want to amend the Mutual Legal Assistance in Criminal Matters Ordinance (MLAO) to allow for mainland sourced asset seizures which essentially will allow the enforcement of a mainland court criminal forfeiture judgements in HK. Mainland courts are not independent and can be easily interfered with by the CCP or by guanxi. This essentially allows for any well-connected red princeling businessman to seize your HK property (this includes flats, cars, bank accounts, commodities, equities, etc) more easily than the US government can do a civil forfeiture on US property. The amendment’s vetting power for HK courts is too limited to block any mainland sourced foreign seizure judgement and only really allows the HK court to determine that the judgement is final and can not be appealed. That’s extremely easy to accomplish in the PRC with the right connections. iceaim has issued a correction as of 03:42 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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Aug 19, 2019 03:36
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somehow i get the impression that the typical hong kong protestor is not terribly worried that the government is going to seize their commodities or equities
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Aug 19, 2019 03:57
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Known Lecher posted:Yeah but they've disappeared at least one mainland billionaire from the Four Seasons in Hong Kong so it's not like the writing isn't on the wall there for Hong Kong's elites if they don't toe the party line. please do not spread vicious anti-PRC lies quote:He may be assisting with a graft investigation, part of the Chinese president’s sweeping campaign that critics say is more about consolidating power than tackling corruption.
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Aug 19, 2019 04:09
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Some Guy TT posted:somehow i get the impression that the typical hong kong protestor is not terribly worried that the government is going to seize their commodities or equities It's still important for such a exploitable weakness not be in the legal system if HK wants to maintain its standing as an international financial centre. Your dismissive attitude doesn't change this fact. It's just that the whole extradition bill saga stinks and this is the cherry of a poo poo sundae. Also the opposition to the bill is much broader than you realize. You must have missed the massive protest HK had this past Sunday.
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Aug 19, 2019 04:19
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GreyjoyBastard posted:please do not spread vicious anti-PRC lies I liked how the pro-CCP mouthpieces initially tried to spin it as "clearly he's just been taken to help with their investigations into other people!!", and then it stretched into first months, and now years where he's been completely incommunicado with the world and his businesses are getting sold off from underneath him
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Aug 19, 2019 04:28
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really weird trend in this thread of trying inspire sympathy for the protests by talking about how mean china is being to rich people in hong kong
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Aug 19, 2019 04:36
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meanwhile toronto mainlanders driving up their lambos and ferraris to support hk protests lol
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Aug 19, 2019 04:43
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Some Guy TT posted:really weird trend in this thread of trying inspire sympathy for the protests by talking about how mean china is being to rich people in hong kong 2. if the protesters are mainly of the pro-western color revolution variety (which i still doubt), then they're going to get hosed one way or another. in that case, i defer to getfiscal's answer of "good luck to everyone"
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Aug 19, 2019 04:47
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Some Guy TT posted:really weird trend in this thread of trying inspire sympathy for the protests by talking about how mean china is being to rich people in hong kong If you have no money at all either on the mainland or in HK you're basically just the poo poo on the government's shoe, the difference is that in the mainland everyone has been taught to enjoy - nay, to love - being the poo poo on someone else's shoe.
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Aug 19, 2019 05:22
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can't believe China is going to disappear all the protesters illegally
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Aug 19, 2019 05:24
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get that OUT of my face posted:1. they're not yeah i just thought the tidbits of that story were funny, i'm not particularly sad he got disappeared
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Aug 19, 2019 05:41
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logikv9 posted:can't believe China is going to disappear all the protesters illegally Xi is still missing several infinity stones
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Aug 19, 2019 06:30
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Bloodnose posted:Tankies are really bad at being leftists. This is new?
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Aug 19, 2019 07:00
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Lady Galaga posted:meanwhile toronto mainlanders driving up their lambos and ferraris to support hk protests lol This was particularly embarrassing and I'm surprised there hasn't been more pushback against this
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Aug 19, 2019 07:18
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420 Gank Mid posted:Xi is still missing several infinity stones I'm willing to dive off the cliff if it gets him the Soul Stone. Or just in general.
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Aug 19, 2019 07:31
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SKULL.GIF posted:This was particularly embarrassing and I'm surprised there hasn't been more pushback against this That had to be intentional. Lambo owning Chinese (of either side) are not that dumb.
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Aug 19, 2019 07:44
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iceaim posted:I already did you troglodyte. Maybe improve your reading comprehension a bit? And stop reporting me like a complete thin skinned passive aggressive bitch because you can't handle a reality check on your bullshit. You are still hauling insults at me like the little juvenile that you are. Know whats funny, I didn't report you. quote:Here let me further educate your knuckle dragging rear end: I just want to highlight these arguments because they are essentially repeated arguments from many real HKers. Getting "unfairly prosecuted" by the princeling is such a minor scenario compare to the volume of the trade. Know what, if you work with a princeling to begin with, you are already cheating the game and try to make easy money in mainland. Second, "unfairly being prosecuted by the princeling" is pretty minor price to pay compare to the new lawful tool sets of being able to legally prosecute corrupted officials who escaped to Hong Kong. I challenge you to find one Chinese who think former is more important than later. That's why you will never find sympathy from any mainlander. Not even 1%. Thirdly, most importantly. HKers need to step back and realize how small of a legal change it is compare to the number of HKers who participated in the protest. These legal change only affect 1% HKers who do business in mainland. If you are a middle-class professional who doesn't do any business w mainland, why does this concern you? This is equivalent of 3 million New Yorkers going to the street multiple times to protest against the purposed legal changes with multinational companies in the TPP. No, the bill is just an excuse. For the bulk of the *older protesters*, the motivation is ANTI INTEGRATION.
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Aug 19, 2019 08:07
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Aug 19, 2019 08:18
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tino posted:You are still hauling insults at me like the little juvenile that you are. This is coming from the guy who said HK people deserve what's coming to them because they were nostalgic for the colonial government. As others have pointed out, this is a heartless thing to say. One guy even called you a monster. You are in no position to call anyone juvenile. tino posted:I just want to highlight these arguments because they are essentially repeated arguments from many real HKers. Every single one of your statements is pretty much appeal to authority and just "trust the system after all you have nothing to hide" and doesn't address my objectively true statement (both the HK law society and the HK bar association agree) that the bill significantly harms HK's legal system and offers zero benefit to HK in exchange for the massive damage it causes. Absolutely nobody in HK or any where else outside of the PRC gives a gently caress about your fugitive corrupt tycoons and officials. Sort your poo poo out and build a credible legal system if you want other jurisdictions to extradite fugitives to the PRC because what you have is a joke and your completely feeble attempts to white wash this poo poo by saying "oh if a princeling hosed them over then they had it coming" is not a legitimate excuse to degrade our legal system. As others have mentioned your critical thinking is total crap and you really have no idea what rule of law means nor any concept of a fair trial.
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