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Yeah. debate is a thing that assumes two* broadly equally defensible positions, with both participants having broadly equal capacity to defend their positions, and attack their opponent, and broadly equal care for standards of evidence, logical thinking etc. Very little of what is publicly framed as debate, is actually debate at all. *or however many, but two is easier to talk about. E: 151 years ago, in 1868m, helium is first detected in the sun's chromosphere, but is wrongly assumed to be sodium.
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Any of y'all know what this guy is? I know some of you take to do with insects and that. I have been keeping my windows closed because of the huge number of incredibly aggressive wasps in my area at the moment. One still got into the kitchen through a vent yesterday and set about dive bombing my head until one of us met our end by way of a rolled up newspaper. I would generally try to shoo even wasps out the window but like I say, these ones this year seem like they have no other interest but diving stingy arse first at other creatures. I opened the bathroom curtains this morning and this guy here zoomed down straight onto my NUDE rear end and I batted it off thinking it was a wasp. I realised I wasn't stung though, and despite being the most satanic looking insect I have ever seen this guy was very docile. I put him in the glass and put him outside. I kind of hope we have a cold autumn this year :/ 
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Sanford posted:I did! "you're being a meanie and have hurt my feelings so i'm just going to go back into my comfortable liberal bubble where the first political thing that ever had an impact on my life was brexit please why can't it be 2012 again THE OLYMPICS"
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Sanford posted:Yeah and that's how minds get changed. There's a few opinions I've held that on reflection were very bad and wrong; people in this thread saying "hmm, these seem to be the opinions of a oval office, you might want to look at them again" is a good thing. I don't actually believe these centrist types believe in the importance of decorum - it's an easy out when you're losing the argument (which they normally are). I think let's about escaping a losing argument but actively shutting down emotive counterpoints. Any decent person can't talk about say, 120,000 people killed by austerity without getting emotional so by playing the  card they're blocking off that talking point and allowing themselves to stay in their bubble of privilege.
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Aug 19, 2019 12:12
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Aphex- posted:"you're being a meanie and have hurt my feelings so i'm just going to go back into my comfortable liberal bubble where the first political thing that ever had an impact on my life was brexit please why can't it be 2012 again THE OLYMPICS" Petition to call centrists “Olympocrats” from now on
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Aug 19, 2019 12:19
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Sanford posted:Yeah and that's how minds get changed. There's a few opinions I've held that on reflection were very bad and wrong; people in this thread saying "hmm, these seem to be the opinions of a oval office, you might want to look at them again" is a good thing. I don't actually believe these centrist types believe in the importance of decorum - it's an easy out when you're losing the argument (which they normally are). So which flavour of crisps do you prefer now?
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Aug 19, 2019 12:20
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Junior G-man posted:So which flavour of crisps do you prefer now? That’s not really a fair topic for debate though, because there’s an objectively correct answer.
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Aug 19, 2019 12:22
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Yeah, it’s plain, lightly salted tortillas.
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Aug 19, 2019 12:22
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Do they sell Seabrook's crisps down south these days? Best salt and vinegar known to humanity. A couple of pages back but some top quality cheese on toast suggestions, rip my saturated fat intake for the week
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Aug 19, 2019 12:23
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Pesmerga posted:Yeah, it’s plain, lightly salted tortillas. 
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Aug 19, 2019 12:23
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Pesmerga posted:Yeah, it’s plain, lightly salted tortillas. One of the all-time posters of UKMT. To come to so low a fall.
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Aug 19, 2019 12:23
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not a crisp but these are amazing
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https://twitter.com/LabourLeft/status/1163409417154510850
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Alright, alright, I concede. They’re the best corn-derived snack.
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crispix posted:Any of y'all know what this guy is? It's an alien.
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Pesmerga posted:Alright, alright, I concede. The Red Monster Munch Unity Front (ML) will not stand for this.
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Aug 19, 2019 12:28
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Emotion is convincing, if done right - appeals to emotion work all the time. The problem is that when you do that to centrists and make them face the fact that they might have got things really wrong in the past, they double down and hide behind "facts and logic not emotion" to stop themselves feeling bad for supporting something harmful. It's easier to do that then reckon that these harms you've never seen might actually be happening.
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Sanitary Naptime posted:The Red Monster Munch Unity Front (ML) will not stand for this. Monster munch between tortilla chips as a deviant sandwich.
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Aug 19, 2019 12:32
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plainly salted tortillas are, by a wide margin, better than any other british bag of chips. do you hear me, you fucks? chips.
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Aug 19, 2019 12:35
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i feel like he's doing it entirely to troll FBPEs now https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1163365813782495233?s=20
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Aug 19, 2019 12:36
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CoolCab posted:plainly salted tortillas are, by a wide margin, better than any other british bag of chips. do you hear me, you fucks? chips. 
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CoolCab posted:plainly salted tortillas are, by a wide margin, better than any other british bag of chips. do you hear me, you fucks? chips. I agree it's chips. I can't speak to any british chips as I've never had any. My favorite are plain salted potato chips though, with salsa. I think potato chips and salsa go together better than corn chips. And I like to eat chips with a nice glass of cool miwk.
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they're a british invention and therefore crisps https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potato_chip#Origins
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Aug 19, 2019 12:39
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America is wrong about many things and calling crisps chips is the wrongest.
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Jose posted:i feel like he's doing it entirely to troll FBPEs now Having to cater, at least in the media, to these mind-melted fubpees must be one of the very worst things about being in charge of the Labour Party.
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thespaceinvader posted:Very little of what is publicly framed as debate, is actually debate at all. I think that the alt right are aware of debating technique, but are aware that there are arguments that are barred from formal debates as either bad practice, logical fallacies or unfair because everyone knows that philosophers haven't come up with answers for that yet. But outside of debate societies these techniques work. Nobody penalises you for ad hominems or strawmen in the real world, and most seasoned debaters are unprepared to deal with them because they require long complicated explainations. So I think in a way, alt righters have been studying the places that formal debates won't go, and using them in arguments outside of debating structures. Which makes their favourite attention grabbing technique of 'debate me' really loving disingenuous, since if they were debating in a formal setting with adjudicators and rules, their particular blend of moral relativism would be torn to shreds.
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Junior G-man posted:Having to cater to Tom Watson must be one of the very worst things about being in charge of the Labour Party. although I'd say doing the catering for Tom Watson must be a poo poo gig too
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Aug 19, 2019 12:43
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Jose posted:they're a british invention and therefore crisps where they’re called chips lol
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Aug 19, 2019 12:44
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Monster munch have gluten and this is honestly the worst thing I've discovered since stopping eating it. the worst thing is actually not being able to eat nice crusty bread, gluten free alternatives to most things exist and are decent but gently caress the bread leaves a lot to be desired.
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It's a wiki page so obviously American centric
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Jose posted:they're a british invention and therefore crisps Tayto were the first to manage to put the flavouring actually on the crisp. They're part of Ireland's slow cultural war, a friendly snack-based imperialism where everyone comes around to the glory of Cheese and Onion Tayto's (in the correctly coloured red bag.) But, of course, there's no disagreement on the absolute fact they're called crisps.
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Impressive for them to out express the express.
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Aug 19, 2019 12:49
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Jose posted:It's a wiki page so obviously American centric quote:The 1822 edition's version of recipe 104 is called "Potatoes fried in Slices or Shavings" and reads "peel large potatoes... cut them in shavings round and round, as you would peel a lemon; dry them well in a clean cloth, and fry them in lard or dripping".[2][3] Early recipes for potato chips in the United States are found in Mary Randolph's Virginia House-Wife (1824),[4] and in N.K.M. Lee's Cook's Own Book (1832),[5] both of which explicitly cite Kitchiner.[6] aka chips
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Doctors debate things like how to best sequence treatments and diagnostics given symptoms all the time. When they get that wrong, then a 2% difference in survival rates means, over a decade, a small towns worth of people die early. But still, it generally works ok; modern medicine is better than the medicine of 50 years ago in a way that isn’t true of politics. I think that is because everyone involved is starting from the same premise; ‘saving lives is good’. If a medical researcher pushes a plan that turns out to kill thousands more than it saves, they generally accept they were wrong, rather than doubling down on ‘those people were sick and so deserved it’. It’s when you find a doctor who isn’t working that way, like that GP serial killer, that not getting angry is weird and wrong. Maybe you could get your lib dem friend both accept that premise, _and_ understand that not everyone in politics does. If they did, they might plausibly become an ex-lib dem, rather than an ex-friend.
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Mrenda posted:Tayto were the first to manage to put the flavouring actually on the crisp. They're part of Ireland's slow cultural war, a friendly snack-based imperialism where everyone comes around to the glory of Cheese and Onion Tayto's (in the correctly coloured red bag.) But, of course, there's no disagreement on the absolute fact they're called crisps. Only in the UK. Even in several non English languages we call them chips. I think the only way to resolve this is hard brexit.
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Mrenda posted:Tayto were the first to manage to put the flavouring actually on the crisp. They're part of Ireland's slow cultural war, a friendly snack-based imperialism where everyone comes around to the glory of Cheese and Onion Tayto's (in the correctly coloured red bag.) But, of course, there's no disagreement on the absolute fact they're called crisps. taytos are pro-tier crisps but lol at thinking RED is the colour for cheese and onion
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Bobby Deluxe posted:I was thinking about this yesterday after hearing Chapo talking about Toby Young's recollection of seeing Boris Johnson at an Oxford debate society. Debate me is also a very strong technique for fash because the mere act of accepting the challenge legitimises whatever topic is being "debated" as a valid topic for debate, and therefore, something with broadly equal logic, relevance, evidence, and (lack of) harm on both sides. As soon as you agree to debate someone on, say, climate change denial, or vaccine denial, or homoeopathy, or whether certain humans deserve death merely for having been born into a certain grouping, you are implicitly accepting that there's a possibility of being persuaded that those things are ture.
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CoolCab posted:aka Explicitly site Kitchener it says
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here i am an english person better name this hot new taste craze that's sweeping the globe in which you take a potato, and you chip it, and then you fry it. of course: crisps! better pour myself a new pot of warm and maybe have some square, mmm!
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