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StrixNebulosa posted:- Why does Yshtola pick on Merlwyb but none of the other leaders? They're all engaging in genocide over who can live where with the beasttribes, and yet it's only Merlwyb that gets disapproving looks from this catlady. Also, this conflict integrates poorly with the sahagin village that I've been hanging out in. Y'shtola is specifically the scion assigned to looking over Limsa Lominsa, so chastising Merlwyb is specifically her job. And I'm pretty sure everyone's disdain for the Monetarists is just assumed.
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Magil Zeal posted:Y'shtola is specifically the scion assigned to looking over Limsa Lominsa, so chastising Merlwyb is specifically her job. And I'm pretty sure everyone's disdain for the Monetarists is just assumed. Ahh, that makes more sense. Still, I wish Paps and Yda would do that for Gridania, and so on. Those Ixals deserve more help building their badass airship! Also, starting 2.3 (poo poo, I finished 2.2, not 3!): Min: "yeah sorry you're not cool foreigners we can't help you refugees go gently caress yourself" is fantastic, love it, absolutely great, love ya Min oh my god she's now all "well I can't assume this riot wasn't caused by you" and THIS IS WAY TOO TOPICAL
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Aug 19, 2019 22:32
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Der Shovel posted:Is there any way to make tab-targeting not suck poo poo in PVP? Yeah it's great that instead of targeting the Samurai 3 feet in front of me, hitting tab instead targets the Black Mage 500 feet away. Same but also non-pvp I just want to tab between the monsters that are currently smacking my tank and throw dots on all of them without accidentally targeting a non-aggroed thing in the background. Actually it's most annoying in overworld quests when there are tons of peaceful non-aggroed monsters next to the pack you're fighting for a quest and you have to smack tab like 10 times to cycle back to the first real enemy again.
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Aug 19, 2019 22:34
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I see we're going into a damning indictment of capitalism. Good. I hope the game can land this. Eat the rich!
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Aug 19, 2019 22:37
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Man are you gonna be pissed when you hit near the end of heavensward Gonna peace out before the thread goes on a 10 page derail about how poo poo the game is cause godbert didn't yell out "communism now" 
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Aug 19, 2019 22:44
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Phone posted:
But then you miss out on the Adventurer in Need bonus if you're the needed class, and also you can't get commends from people you're queuing with
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Flavahbeast posted:But then you miss out on the Adventurer in Need bonus if you're the needed class, and also you can't get commends from people you're queuing with Do commends do anything for you other than make you feel good?
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Aug 19, 2019 22:53
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Leal posted:Man are you gonna be pissed when you hit near the end of heavensward I still think some people read Godbert's take more harshly than it was meant  . (also that happens during 4.x not 3.x)That said, scheming capitalists and decadent bourgeois definitely get depicted as antagonists at points in the story but as of 5.0 we have yet to usher in Full Communism. Sorry to say. StrixNebulosa posted:Do commends do anything for you other than make you feel good? Get enough commends and you get some freebies like a sweet robe and a gold-plated chicken robot. Also one of the pre-reqs for becoming a mentor is having like 100 commendations if you want to go down *that* road. Thundarr fucked around with this message at 22:57 on Aug 19, 2019 |
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StrixNebulosa posted:Do commends do anything for you other than make you feel good? You get a solid gold magitek armor for 500 of them.
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Flavahbeast posted:But then you miss out on the Adventurer in Need bonus if you're the needed class, and also you can't get commends from people you're queuing with Speaking of: is there any way to get lots of company seals other than this bonus? I've been leveling as a healer and something like 80-90% of my flame seals so far have just been from the duty finder. How do DPS classes ever rank up in the grand companies?
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StrixNebulosa posted:I just finished 2.3 and could guess from her tail, so this isn't a big spoiler, but thank you for spoiling it nonetheless. You're well out of the doldrums now; it only gets better from here. Enjoy!
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Thundarr posted:I still think some people read Godbert's take more harshly than it was meant I'm not surprised, as initiating change and defeating capitalism is difficult. But it's very very good to see such damning indictments of it. Rhonne posted:You get a solid gold magitek armor for 500 of them.  I need this
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Ibblebibble posted:
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Thundarr posted:I still think some people read Godbert's take more harshly than it was meant Also the Exarch built Communism in one region. The big bottleneck is you need a bunch of Allagan crap to get the basis of production together.
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StrixNebulosa posted:
IIRC, being a tank just puts you at the top of the commend list. That's about 90% of the work to getting any/all commends that would be handed out in most groups. If you just wait until everyone else leaves the group in trials/raids/dungeons and you are a tank, you *will* get commends pretty much for free.
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Aug 19, 2019 23:00
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DizzyBum posted:You're well out of the doldrums now; it only gets better from here. Enjoy! I'd say 2.3 is still a bit dismal, at least the first part. The primal fight and the expository cutscene afterwards are where the MSQ starts to lift itself out of the pit and by mid-2.4 its actually becoming good.
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whalestory posted:Just curious, what's the reasoning behind this? I've been solo queuing this whole time but I'll start saying poo poo in fc chat someone in dgkk, ironically named “power-of- friendship”, was asking questions and whatnot, and mentioned that they were 15 minutes in a queue, as a tank, for story susano. inviting 4 goons later, the queue instapopped, and 8 minutes later the trial was over. DONT SPEND 15 MINUTES IN A QUEUE
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Speaking of: is there any way to get lots of company seals other than this bonus? I've been leveling as a healer and something like 80-90% of my flame seals so far have just been from the duty finder. How do DPS classes ever rank up in the grand companies? you can turn in gear to your grand company for seals
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For leveling through MSQ where you get the first timer bonus yeah but I'd feel like a dick being like "hey I don't like PotD anyone wanna spam my highest dungeon a whole bunch also it's piss vale/cutters cry"
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Overwatch Porn posted:you can turn in gear to your grand company for seals Yeah but that's like 200 seals per dungeon instead of 2000 from the in-need bonus. Or does the reward scale way up with higher level items?
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Phone posted:DONT SPEND 15 MINUTES IN A QUEUE But when will I get any fishing done? also wow the pacing on 2.3 is a lot faster, it's hard to tear myself away to craft or whatever. Who's this merchant giving refugees arms? Why isn't he doing a proper job of this? Tell me more, game!
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garfield hentai posted:For leveling through MSQ where you get the first timer bonus yeah but I'd feel like a dick being like "hey I don't like PotD anyone wanna spam my highest dungeon a whole bunch also it's piss vale/cutters cry"
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Yeah but that's like 200 seals per dungeon instead of 2000 from the in-need bonus. It scales way up
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Zodiac5000 posted:IIRC, being a tank just puts you at the top of the commend list. That's about 90% of the work to getting any/all commends that would be handed out in most groups. If you just wait until everyone else leaves the group in trials/raids/dungeons and you are a tank, you *will* get commends pretty much for free. yeah im a lvl 51 paladin and already have like 40 or something.
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Nessus posted:Yeah it didn't exactly shower Godbert in plaudits but Godbert's point in that scene wasn't "the poor should beg for scraps as we indulge in our pleasure of wealth" but "the greatest charity is helping someone stand back up," which was probably not meant to be an in depth validation of the socio-economic consensus in the Anglosphere c. 2006 or whatever. You know, I hadn't really pictured the Crystarium in that light but when you put it that way it fits. Granted, it's pretty easy to abandon capitalism when you bring in the combined tech of multiple advanced civilizations to push things pretty close to post-scarcity, and "we must continuously struggle against the literal end of the world" is a strong motivator to keep people focused on cooperation, too. Oh god, nobody tell Lolorito that the first is no longer in existential peril.
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There also is a nice challenge log xp bonus for getting and giving 5 commendations a week.
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S.J. posted:It scales way up Trading in gear is by far the best source of seals, but it also doesn't open up until relatively high up in the ranks, like 6 or 7.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Ahh, that makes more sense. Still, I wish Paps and Yda would do that for Gridania, and so on. Those Ixals deserve more help building their badass airship! Much in the same way that a portion of a populace being aggressive shitheads doesn't mean the whole group are aggressive shitheads, a small group of friendly people doesn't mean the whole group are friendly and nice. Most Ixals are aggressive and conservative to a high degree which is why the nice Ixals had to leave to build their airship in the first place. I like that the game doesn't treat groups as stark black and white. Even groups that early on you might think fall into one or the other of those categories.
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StrixNebulosa posted:I just finished 2.3 and could guess from her tail, so this isn't a big spoiler, but thank you for spoiling it nonetheless. Merlwyb gets extra poo poo from Y’shtola because the Ixal and the Amal’jaa are Genuinely Assholes (which does not justify genocide mind, but they are legitimate aggressors) whereas kobold aggression is a direct consequence of Limsa Lominsa breaking the treaty.
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StrixNebulosa posted:I see we're going into a damning indictment of capitalism. Good. I hope the game can land this. Eat the rich!  Leal posted:Gonna peace out before the thread goes on a 10 page derail about how poo poo the game is cause godbert didn't yell out "communism now" oh no discussing the writing in the game, anything but that
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Tainen posted:There also is a nice challenge log xp bonus for getting and giving 5 commendations a week. There is no challenge log entry for receiving commendations, only for giving them.
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i can't count the number of times i lost track and ended up giving my 5th commendation while i was on a max level class 
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Sunday Morning posted:Much in the same way that a portion of a populace being aggressive shitheads doesn't mean the whole group are aggressive shitheads, a small group of friendly people doesn't mean the whole group are friendly and nice. Most Ixals are aggressive and conservative to a high degree which is why the nice Ixals had to leave to build their airship in the first place. I like that the game doesn't treat groups as stark black and white. Even groups that early on you might think fall into one or the other of those categories.
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StrixNebulosa posted:Ahh, that makes more sense. Still, I wish Paps and Yda would do that for Gridania, and so on. Those Ixals deserve more help building their badass airship! I actually really like this because each beast tribe and its challenges with the local government are very much unique. Gridania is actually doing great with two of its local tribes, the sylphs and moogles, but the ixal are explicitly warmongers and are happy to make a slaughter god. Gridania doesn't NEED to be a dick for there to be a real problem, and the ixal are mostly based in Coerthas, but infringe on the territory of Gridania. Even then, when people learn the Ehctal are actually chill, they're pretty happy to help out. Meanwhile, the amal'jaa are a warrior tribe that have lost their sense of honor due to Ul'dahn encroachment and Ifrit's influence, and Ul'dah is massively dunked on through the story for being absolute poo poo to everyone but the rich. Limsa Lominsa is stuck being on a relatively small territory that is now being taken over by sahagin looking for spawning grounds and kobolds being forced out of the earth due to mining. The main option any of those three groups has is...moving, which isn't very feasible for any of them, and each of their leaders is determined that their group comes first. It's a really difficult situation, and Merlwyb ruling over a loose nation of pirates and criminals and the beast tribes being tempered by primals really, really doesn't help. It's very complicated and I love it. In summary, Hydaelyn is a world of contrasts.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Yeah but that's like 200 seals per dungeon instead of 2000 from the in-need bonus. For reference, ShB level dungeon gear is up to 1500+. I have bought ~900 coke, ~950 potash and I'm up to 550 hardened sap in addition to buying 100 or so grade 7 dark matter and like, 80 ventures. And all that's in my efforts to keep myself around 70k seals so I don't overcap on them.
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I think the only group that has been depicted as monolithic in their behavior so far are the elementals, and they're fickle as heck so you still can't really pin them down on any given position other than "will murder you if they feel like it". Ascians, primals, and voidsent are consistently bad news, though which flavor of bad news depends on the individual you bump into.
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Also regarding the Ixali, SB dungeon spoilers it turns out they're outright descendants of an Allagan bioweapon project that was genetically unstable which caused their wing lost long after escaping Azys Lys as well as a built in loyalty to their leaders.
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EponymousMrYar posted:For reference, ShB level dungeon gear is up to 1500+.
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I really appreciate how this game is super nuanced.Squidtentacle posted:I actually really like this because each beast tribe and its challenges with the local government are very much unique. Gridania is actually doing great with two of its local tribes, the sylphs and moogles, but the ixal are explicitly warmongers and are happy to make a slaughter god. Gridania doesn't NEED to be a dick for there to be a real problem, and the ixal are mostly based in Coerthas, but infringe on the territory of Gridania. Even then, when people learn the Ehctal are actually chill, they're pretty happy to help out. This is the kind of post I love the most.
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Squidtentacle posted:In summary, Hydaelyn is a world of contrasts. Agreed. I've been consistently impressed with the writing from the start in its ability to portray multiple viewpoints of the many conflicts across the world. Every time the game seemed to portray a binary viewpoint, later quests added more context, twists, or outsiders to encourage deeper thought on the conflict.
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