August 2019 Current Events Thread: It's Hot and Everything Sucks

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Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?

Hot Karl Marx posted:

AhhhhhhhhhhHhHHhHhhhhHhh

https://twitter.com/lib_crusher/sta...ingawful.com%2F

I'm a big fan of your tweets, Mr endless.

# ? Aug 19, 2019 23:02

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# ? Jun 6, 2024 15:24

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Nostalgia4Butts posted:

so does anyone else think he was disappeared back to israel and trump let it happen

I think another inmate killed him thanks to incompetent corrections officers and they're fumbling around to cover it up.

But, honestly, the fact I can't actually dismiss a shadowy conspiracy of billionaire chomos protecting their own says a lot.

# ? Aug 19, 2019 23:24

Hot Karl Marx: Mar 16, 2009; Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

Vincent Van Goatse posted:

I think another inmate killed him thanks to incompetent corrections officers and they're fumbling around to cover it up.

But, honestly, the fact I can't actually dismiss a shadowy conspiracy of billionaire chomos protecting their own says a lot.

the real conspiracy is thinking there isnt imo

# ? Aug 19, 2019 23:34

Chichevache: Feb 17, 2010; One of the funniest posters in GIP.

Just not intentionally.

https://twitter.com/IwriteOK/status/1162843954364071936?s=19

Here's the leader of Patriot Prayer being down with white supremacists.

# ? Aug 19, 2019 23:35

Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1163541933328875529?s=19

China did a woopsie trying to defend the honour of their stooge at Disney

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1163570962299838466?s=19

# ? Aug 19, 2019 23:40

Laranzu: Jan 18, 2002

Eej posted:

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1163541933328875529?s=19

China did a woopsie trying to defend the honour of their stooge at Disney

https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1163570962299838466?s=19

Somehow I missed the Chinese internet influencing bots getting outed.

What a dumb loving Party freakout way to do it.

# ? Aug 19, 2019 23:59

Vincent Van Goatse: Nov 8, 2006; Enjoy every sandwich.; Smellrose

Hot Karl Marx posted:

the real conspiracy is thinking there isnt imo

I mean I don't think there was a conspiracy to kill or exfiltrate Epstein. Probably.

There's absolutely a conspiracy of billionaire pedophiles.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 00:10

EBB: Feb 15, 2005

All those Russian bots and I never considered waht Winnie the Pooh's cyber army was up to

CYBER CYBER CYBER

# ? Aug 20, 2019 00:56

Hot Karl Marx: Mar 16, 2009; Politburo regulations about social distancing require to downgrade your Karlmarxing to cold, and sorry about the dnc primaries, please enjoy!

trump is going to start a cyber force now isn't he?

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:00

Hexyflexy: Sep 2, 2011; asymptotically approaching one

Hot Karl Marx posted:

trump is going to start a cyber force now isn't he?

I'm pretty sure you already have like 3. We've even got one in the UK though gently caress knows what it does, if it was any good I'd know someone working for it.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:05

Stravag: Jun 7, 2009

Hey guys we tested a new cruise missile that was prohibited under INF. Good thing we pulled out of that 2 weeks ago

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:05

hobbesmaster: Jan 28, 2008

Stravag posted:

Hey guys we tested a new cruise missile that was prohibited under INF. Good thing we pulled out of that 2 weeks ago

Russia de facto pulled out of it 6 years ago so it was moot.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:12

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Stravag posted:

Hey guys we tested a new cruise missile that was prohibited under INF. Good thing we pulled out of that 2 weeks ago

At least ours didn't accidentally kill a bunch of engineers and irradiate a few thousand square miles.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:18

Arc Light: Sep 26, 2013

Hot Karl Marx posted:

trump is going to start a cyber force now isn't he?

That would honestly be a better use of time and resources than a space force. I can't speak for quasi-civilian agencies, but the US military cyber folks are all ultimately under the top-level command of someone with no cyber experience.

In the USAF, we call our assignments "cyber sorties" where we maintain "time on target" while we conduct "cyber escort" for allied computer systems.

It's dumber than I can articulate. We use bastardized forms of flight terms for things that bear no relation to flight, because our senior leaders don't understand computers or networks. Thus, we pretend we're flying cyber airplanes, because the alternative would be to promote leaders who possess the ability to learn new concepts.

The best comparison I can think of is this: imagine if, in the early days of flight, military leadership insisted that we call dogfights "air infantry charges" because the infantrymen running the Army couldn't understand that aerial warfare worked differently than land-based warfare.

At least a cyber force would, theoretically, have people at the top with some kind of relevant experience, and wouldn't need to compete for funding with airframes.

Edit: and our USAF cyber ops have recently been reassigned to Air Combat Command, which is notable for being so lovely at anything outside the original TAC wheelhouse that we had to reactivate SAC.

Arc Light fucked around with this message at 01:26 on Aug 20, 2019

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:23

Eej: Jun 17, 2007; HEAVYARMS

hobbesmaster posted:

Russia de facto pulled out of it 6 years ago so it was moot.

4chan's behind everything nowadays

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:29

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

hobbesmaster posted:

Russia de facto pulled out of it 6 years ago so it was moot.

Yeah I was gonna say they've been building and testing in violation of the INF for a while. The other big problem with the INF is India and China were not party to it and China especially has taken advantage of that. 81% of their missile forces would be banned if they had been party to that treaty. So the INF was going to get dumped regardless of the Russians or not, honestly.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:30

Stravag: Jun 7, 2009

hobbesmaster posted:

Russia de facto pulled out of it 6 years ago so it was moot.

Im assuming we did too cuz theres no way we're got something ready to test in 17 days

Godholio posted:

At least ours didn't accidentally kill a bunch of engineers and irradiate a few thousand square miles.

Small miracles right?

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:33

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Stravag posted:

Im assuming we did too cuz theres no way we're got something ready to test in 17 days

Small miracles right?

I mean the treaty has been dead since February, Stravag. We withdrew from it last year and there's a 6 month period where the treaty still exists. It was declared defunct in February though and the US is just now starting to test poo poo. Russia's got about a 6 year lead on that because they didn't give a gently caress.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:37

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Arc Light posted:

In the USAF, we call our assignments "cyber sorties" where we maintain "time on target" while we conduct "cyber escort" for allied computer systems.

It's dumber than I can articulate. We use bastardized forms of flight terms for things that bear no relation to flight, because our senior leaders don't understand computers or networks. Thus, we pretend we're flying cyber airplanes, because the alternative would be to promote leaders who possess the ability to learn new concepts.

The best comparison I can think of is this: imagine if, in the early days of flight, military leadership insisted that we call dogfights "air infantry charges" because the infantrymen running the Army couldn't understand that aerial warfare worked differently than land-based warfare.

I would like to quote this.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:38

Stravag: Jun 7, 2009

orange juche posted:

I mean the treaty has been dead since February, Stravag. We withdrew from it last year and there's a 6 month period where the treaty still exists. It was declared defunct in February though and the US is just now starting to test poo poo. Russia's got about a 6 year lead on that because they didn't give a gently caress.

Ah ok the thing i looked at real quick made it sounds like it was a process consisting of "ok we're out" that started and ended on the 2nd

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:55

Defenestrategy: Oct 24, 2010

Godholio posted:

I would like to quote this.

I'm gonna bring the lingo to my boss. He latches on to stuff like this. Just want to see what happens when he throws it out there during a meeting.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:55

Madurai: Jun 26, 2012

Stravag posted:

Im assuming we did too cuz theres no way we're got something ready to test in 17 days

Small miracles right?

It's just the Navy-model T-hawk, fired from a trailer-mounted VLS cell. It's ready to go because it's been standard shipboard equipment for decades.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:57

Arc Light: Sep 26, 2013

Godholio posted:

I would like to quote this.

By all means.

I desperately wish I were exaggerating, but those are the exact terms we use. We also use the flight PBED whiteboard process, even when it's completely inappropriate. Like, I could almost understand using it for OCO stuff where you could encounter a human element of resistance, but we use it for things like upgrading rules on a firewall.

"Oh no, what are the enemy forces? And what kind of terrain are we conducting this cyber sortie over? We'll address that when we hit phase 2, where we click "save" and then exit the user interface."

Edit: "If IRC fails, the alternate method of communication will be talking to the person sitting next to me. Or maybe smoke signals."

Edit2: :smithicide:

# ? Aug 20, 2019 01:59

Stravag: Jun 7, 2009

So what makes it "new"? Just that it was sitting in a trailer this time? And was the trailer bit what made it in violation of inf? Dammit cnn...

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:01

orange juche: Mar 14, 2012

Arc Light posted:

By all means.

I desperately wish I were exaggerating, but those are the exact terms we use. We also use the flight PBED whiteboard process, even when it's completely inappropriate. Like, I could almost understand using it for OCO stuff where you could encounter a human element of resistance, but we use it for things like upgrading rules on a firewall.

"Oh no, what are the enemy forces? And what kind of terrain are we conducting this cyber sortie over? We'll address that when we hit phase 2, where we click "save" and then exit the user interface."

Edit: "If IRC fails, the alternate method of communication will be talking to the person sitting next to me. Or maybe smoke signals."

Edit2:

And people wonder why government networks are trash

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:02

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

Arc Light posted:

By all means.

I desperately wish I were exaggerating, but those are the exact terms we use. We also use the flight PBED whiteboard process, even when it's completely inappropriate. Like, I could almost understand using it for OCO stuff where you could encounter a human element of resistance, but we use it for things like upgrading rules on a firewall.

"Oh no, what are the enemy forces? And what kind of terrain are we conducting this cyber sortie over? We'll address that when we hit phase 2, where we click "save" and then exit the user interface."

Edit: "If IRC fails, the alternate method of communication will be talking to the person sitting next to me. Or maybe smoke signals."

Edit2:

It's a shame you're almost free, because I've got a great bullet-generating idea. threat of the day briefs

Unless it's already a thing, which wouldn't actually surprise me.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:02

Arc Light: Sep 26, 2013

Godholio posted:

It's a shame you're almost free, because I've got a great bullet-generating idea. threat of the day briefs

Unless it's already a thing, which wouldn't actually surprise me.

That's the kind of good idea fairy shenanigan I reasonably expect to see in the next couple years.

I've only got 11 years in, so that light is still way at the end of the tunnel. I gripe a lot, but I generally like the people I work with and the mission. I just wish that we spent as much time doing our real jobs as we spend pretending to be pilots, right down to wearing "wings."

For those who have blessedly avoided working with AF commo, our cyber sorties are "flown" by airmen wearing these:

It's only a matter of time until flight suits.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:15

Acebuckeye13: Nov 2, 2010; Against All Tyrants; Ultra Carp

So here's Warren taking her Native American heritage baggage and working on turning it into a strength:

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1163476524713910273?s=20

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1162363445586681856?s=20

Time will tell how successful it is, but there is a LOT to that proposed legislation and if nothing else she's created an effective rebuttal to the blood test fuckup - "Yes, I hosed up, but I listened, learned, and now I have a massive proposal to help native communities. What have you done?"

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:15

Comrade Blyatlov: Aug 4, 2007; should have picked four fingers

Acebuckeye13 posted:

So here's Warren taking her Native American heritage baggage and working on turning it into a strength:

https://twitter.com/ABC/status/1163476524713910273?s=20

https://twitter.com/ewarren/status/1162363445586681856?s=20

Time will tell how successful it is, but there is a LOT to that proposed legislation and if nothing else she's created an effective rebuttal to the blood test fuckup - "Yes, I hosed up, but I listened, learned, and now I have a massive proposal to help native communities. What have you done?"

Since when have facts meant jack poo poo to trump?

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:40

Belgian Waffle: Jul 31, 2006

Arc Light posted:

By all means.

I desperately wish I were exaggerating, but those are the exact terms we use. We also use the flight PBED whiteboard process, even when it's completely inappropriate. Like, I could almost understand using it for OCO stuff where you could encounter a human element of resistance, but we use it for things like upgrading rules on a firewall.

"Oh no, what are the enemy forces? And what kind of terrain are we conducting this cyber sortie over? We'll address that when we hit phase 2, where we click "save" and then exit the user interface."

Edit: "If IRC fails, the alternate method of communication will be talking to the person sitting next to me. Or maybe smoke signals."

Edit2:

Don't forget how good we are at training... or doing software acquisitions.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:41

Knives Amilli: Sep 26, 2014

Arc Light posted:

That's the kind of good idea fairy shenanigan I reasonably expect to see in the next couple years.

I've only got 11 years in, so that light is still way at the end of the tunnel. I gripe a lot, but I generally like the people I work with and the mission. I just wish that we spent as much time doing our real jobs as we spend pretending to be pilots, right down to wearing "wings."

For those who have blessedly avoided working with AF commo, our cyber sorties are "flown" by airmen wearing these:

It's only a matter of time until flight suits.

Stop ~~pointing out the sheer stupidity of~~ mocking my career field

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:54

Nick Soapdish: Apr 27, 2008

And I thought the Navy's IW pin looked dumb

# ? Aug 20, 2019 02:58

AreWeDrunkYet: Jul 8, 2006; Can't post for 3 hours!

Comrade Blyatlov posted:

Since when have facts meant jack poo poo to trump?

https://www.washingtonpost.com/vide...decb_video.html

quote:

They don't look like Indians to me.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 03:01

BadOptics: Sep 11, 2012

Arc Light posted:

That would honestly be a better use of time and resources than a space force. I can't speak for quasi-civilian agencies, but the US military cyber folks are all ultimately under the top-level command of someone with no cyber experience.

In the USAF, we call our assignments "cyber sorties" where we maintain "time on target" while we conduct "cyber escort" for allied computer systems.

It's dumber than I can articulate. We use bastardized forms of flight terms for things that bear no relation to flight, because our senior leaders don't understand computers or networks. Thus, we pretend we're flying cyber airplanes, because the alternative would be to promote leaders who possess the ability to learn new concepts.

The best comparison I can think of is this: imagine if, in the early days of flight, military leadership insisted that we call dogfights "air infantry charges" because the infantrymen running the Army couldn't understand that aerial warfare worked differently than land-based warfare.

At least a cyber force would, theoretically, have people at the top with some kind of relevant experience, and wouldn't need to compete for funding with airframes.

Edit: and our USAF cyber ops have recently been reassigned to Air Combat Command, which is notable for being so lovely at anything outside the original TAC wheelhouse that we had to reactivate SAC.

So what's the cyber version of controlled flight into terrain? Also feeling pretty glad I didn't get picked up for Comm in basic; the medical side is weird/soft, but outright co-opting stuff from aviation like ToT or sorties isn't too common. Maybe with actual aircrew/support, but at that point it makes sense.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 03:02

Hexyflexy: Sep 2, 2011; asymptotically approaching one

Knives Amilli posted:

Stop ~~pointing out the sheer stupidity of~~ mocking my career field

# ? Aug 20, 2019 03:13

Godholio: Aug 28, 2002; Does a bear split in the woods near Zheleznogorsk?

BadOptics posted:

So what's the cyber version of controlled flight into terrain?

The requirement to use bloatware-filled laptops instead of halfway decent desktops.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 03:16

CommieGIR: Aug 22, 2006; The blue glow is a feature, not a bug; Pillbug

BadOptics posted:

So what's the cyber version of controlled flight into terrain? Also feeling pretty glad I didn't get picked up for Comm in basic; the medical side is weird/soft, but outright co-opting stuff from aviation like ToT or sorties isn't too common. Maybe with actual aircrew/support, but at that point it makes sense.

As an Infosec Guy: This hurts me.

# ? Aug 20, 2019 03:21

Milo and POTUS: Sep 3, 2017; I will not shut up about the Mighty Morphin Power Rangers. I talk about them all the time and work them into every conversation I have. I built a shrine in my room for the yellow one who died because sadly no one noticed because she died around 9/11. Wanna see it?