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Jose posted:An EU referendum was in the 2010 and 2015 lib dem manifestos. The 2010 green manifesto too Know what else was in the 2010 lib dem manifesto lol
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Aug 20, 2019 10:49
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The world deserves to burn with some exceptions.
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Jose posted:An EU referendum was in the 2010 and 2015 lib dem manifestos. The 2010 green manifesto too OK. A lot of things are in manifestos of parties for elections that they didn't win, they doesn't mean they get instituted. The Tories did this. They may have been prompted to do it by other people, but they did it. Start to whereverthefuck we currently are, they did it.
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Superterranean posted:You are absolutely right. I'm a low information brainspider-infected jerk who's angry, and doesn't see things always the way this thread does. I should have asked a lot more politely, and I didn't. I'm not good at this. I'm genuinely sorry. Don't worry about it, the thread just doesn't like driveby's - as has been noted, there's been a whole bunch of these in the last two years, especially about Labour's Brexit position. Labour's strategy, at least to me, was correct from the start and mirrored the way most people feel about the EU; it's sort of ok, but it really needs to be reformed if it is going to be force for good at all. Therefore we should stay in and reform. This was sort of the famous bit where Corbs said 'I'm about 7/10 pro-EU'. The melts and fubpees have been holding that up ever since and said LOOK HE'S A SECRET BREXIT LOVER. The reason you may have seen less of the Labour Brexit campaign is because the party - rightly, especially after the Scottish IndyRef - didn't want to be seen as campaigning together with Cameron, Clegg and Cable. Because that would be terrible for the party and they didn't agree with the line and campaigning (i.e. Project Fear), and also because they even more correctly saw that the disastrous LibDem/Con coalition, with its hideous austerity and cuts, was responsible for people really wanting to voice their rage at the political establishment. I would hardly say that the opposition has been ineffective. You can point towards the election results for one. But you always have to remember that while the Opposition can do stuff, as long as the PM's party stays aligned and commands their majority, there is very little Labour can actually do to stop the passage of laws and regulations. Further, the Labour party is split itself between (mainly older, Northern) leave voting districts, and (mainly younger, Southern) remain voting districts, so any position it will arrive at will, by necessity and through the Party's own democratic procedures, look like a compromise. It's inevitable. Junior G-man fucked around with this message at 10:58 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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Well pretty much anything I was going to say has been covered but it's fairly understandable to be mad if you've only got experience of the UK post 2015. It was actively much much worse beforehand, a large part of which was we had not just an ineffectual opposition but an opposition which usually agreed with the government so Corbyns Labour is a massive massive improvement. Ah quite a powerful self own there.
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Quoting myself for the new page because this is actually a today news relevant bit: Junior G-man posted:BoJo's full letter to the EC has just been put up, it's mainly about the UNDEMOCRATIC BACKSTOP. But don't worry, he's got all the ideas:
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Also I freely offer you these magnificent Brexit brainspiders: https://twitter.com/p4ulmiller/status/1163529984654401536?s=20 Hmmmmm how WOULD the dastardly EU implement a border? 
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Junior G-man posted:Quoting myself for the new page because this is actually a today news relevant bit: From what I've heard from preliminary responses from EU diplomats it's been derided as a joke and basically UK-internal PR to bolster Boris's position amongst the Hard Brexiteers. Of course if he had a brain cell to work with he'd know this wouldn't be good enough: https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/1163528836425900032 (Since I tend to forget, Richard Tice is the Brexit Party chairman and basically second-in-command below Farage) https://twitter.com/TiceRichard/status/1163532915550109696
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Junior G-man posted:Also I freely offer you these magnificent Brexit brainspiders: I wonder if they udnerstand that Ireland is in fact, not an independent state from, but PART OF THE EU...
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Looks like those chicken boxes did some unintended good  https://twitter.com/WordOnTheCurbUK/status/1163040627031990274
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CoolCab posted:you think all dressed is weird, you guys ain’t even got ketchup chips You fail the citizenship test.  https://www.waitrose.com/ecom/produ...wE&gclsrc=aw.ds
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and there we have it https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1163757521582116864
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Do you know what's hosed? The UK doesn't have paprika crisps but you go *anywhere* on the continent and you can get them.
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Aug 20, 2019 11:36
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Paprika pringles exist though
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mehall posted:Do you know what's hosed? https://www.sainsburys.co.uk/webapp...ax-paprika-150g ?
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Tesseraction posted:and there we have it https://twitter.com/eucopresident/status/1163757521582116864 Imagine my utter shock.
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mehall posted:Do you know what's hosed? Walkers do paprika-flavoured crisps. They're a bit meh, tbh - taste like watered-down ketchup to me - but they exist.
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Aug 20, 2019 11:42
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Double post so have this random tweet from my clipboard: https://twitter.com/Tanya_Chen/status/1163576230366629891
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mehall posted:Do you know what's hosed? You can buy Paprika crisps all over the place, Salisbury's near my work has not 1 but 2 different paprika crisps.
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thespaceinvader posted:OK. Junior G-man posted:Hmmmmm how WOULD the dastardly EU implement a border? So, the outcome would be the European project failing? Am I missing something here? 'course, I am assuming that the UK isn't just lying about how they wouldn't shiv NI immediately when the opportunity comes up, which is a bit of a stretch
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mehall posted:Do you know what's hosed? just had some paprika mccoys the other day. think they might be a new thing?
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That too yeah, paprika crisps seem like the easiest thing to make yourself.
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Borrovan posted:Don't think anyone's disputing that, just pointing out that the Lib Dems supported it from the get-go so don't let them say otherwise. Best I can tell the idea is to allow the border to technically remain porous but to punish any EU institution that takes goods that haven't been verified to have gone through the proper procedures/tariffs. Basically forcefully pulling us out of the trade ecosystem.
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Borrovan posted:There is actually a pretty significant issue here imo: both the UK and Ireland have said that they would not put up a hard border in any circumstance; Ireland is part of the EU but is also a sovereign state and the EU does not have the competence to police its borders; this means that, if NDB happens, both the UK and the EU would have to either unilaterally remove all external tarriffs or be in violation of WTO rules; there's been murmerings of doing that over here anyway - and even if we don't we're probably stupid enough to think that we can just leave the WTO and trade with such successful non-WTO states as *checks notes* North Korea and Somalia - but the EU definitely aren't, and removing all tariffs would pretty much negate the whole point of the common market. The EU has said that it's up to the UK whether or not there's hard borders again. The Irish government, as part of the EU, would definitely put them up because they'd have to, not because they want to. Also the EU definitely polices its own borders but is for now more interested in drowning migrants. If NDB happens, there would be a 3-6 month period of confusion etc, but then the walls would definitely go up; common borders, common markets and common tariffs of the EU demand that they do. The outcome would be a mild economic hit for the EU and a bad one for the Republic of Ireland, but it doesn't collapse the project. Also I'm entirely sure that a Tory government, if sufficiently re-elected under BoJo that they don't need the DUP, would shaft them instantly.
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I know when I posted about hydrogen powered cars previously people gave good reasons why they weren't viable which is why i'm posting this https://twitter.com/openDemocracy/status/1163764826306424832?s=20
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https://twitter.com/andybell5news/status/1163488269172170753?s=21 Glad the guy's being a good sport about this.
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I mean carrying around a big tank of pressurized hydrogen in your car isn't a great idea for obvious reasons but as an alternative to gas power plants it might be more practical.
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Jose posted:I know when I posted about hydrogen powered cars previously people gave good reasons why they weren't viable which is why i'm posting this Cracking hydrogen from hydrocarbons really isn't a solution to anything, unless they've managed to magically deal with the fact that it takes exactly as much co2 as just burning the hydrocarbons.
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Jose posted:I know when I posted about hydrogen powered cars previously people gave good reasons why they weren't viable which is why i'm posting this Um. This still involves DRILLING FOR loving OIL they're just burning it in different ways. It seems like it's not addressing the core problem. Not to mention that the hydrogen powered vehicles issue doesn't go away just because a new source is discovered.
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I think the suggestion is they're cracking it in the ground so the CO2 produced stays in the oil well.quote:The researchers have found that injecting oxygen into the fields raises the temperature and liberates H2, which can then be separated from other gases via specialist filters. Hydrogen is not pre-existing in the reservoirs, but pumping oxygen means that the reaction to form hydrogen can take place. Whether they actually manage to make it workable or not is another matter.
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The EU is good I insist as i shrink into a corncob https://twitter.com/EU_Commission/status/1163761074761621505
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thespaceinvader posted:Um. quote:Grant Strem, CEO of Proton Technologies which is commercializing the process says "This technique can draw up huge quantities of hydrogen while leaving the carbon in the ground. When working at production level, we anticipate we will be able to use the existing infrastructure and distribution chains to produce H2 for between 10 and 50 cents per kilo. This means it potentially costs a fraction of gasoline for equivalent output". This compares with current H2 production costs of around $2/kilo. Around 5% of the H2 produced then powers the oxygen production plant, so the system more than pays for itself.
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Burning piss is the best source of hydrogen.goddamnedtwisto posted:Cracking hydrogen from hydrocarbons really isn't a solution to anything, unless they've managed to magically deal with the fact that it takes exactly as much co2 as just burning the hydrocarbons. It's definitely not going to make carbon neutral vehicle fuel though.
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OwlFancier posted:I think the suggestion is they're cracking it in the ground so the CO2 produced stays in the oil well. Because it will for sure stay in the ground, as a very low molecular weight, very small, hard to trap gas. Jose posted:But the carbon stays in the ground. That doesn't stop it being a non-renewable resource. Being cost-effective is not the point. Even if it's cost effective and the carbon doesn't leak out of the ground, we're still using a limited resource when we desperately need to be transitioning away from limited resources.
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Guavanaut posted:Burning piss is the best source of hydrogen. Luckily after Brexit everything will be blasted in piss and on fire, so new economy sorted
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Jose posted:The EU is good I insist as i shrink into a corncob Still committed to run 3.5% primary budget surpluses to like 2050 or something so it can pay back interest-bearing loans to the Troika. It's great! Also the new government, essentially being on of the parties that hosed it up in the first place, is committed to more privatisation of state assets. Because reasons private sector blaahhhh.
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