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GigaFuzz posted:If it's in the codex you have to use that, but if the Index has a wargear option for that unit that isn't in the codex, you can use that option from the Index. They should expand that for things like Intercessors getting new Datasheets in boxes and poo poo.
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Endman posted:Look, if this incredibly specific and extremely not fake example is true, that person deserves to be forever punished for painting a whole army of Salamanders when they don’t like how flamers work. So you're saying that it's my fault for sticking with Blood Angels despite the thing I liked about them has gone away? Or that I should field Assault Marines despite the fact that they're terrible? gently caress off.
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Aug 20, 2019 23:47
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DiHK posted:So you're saying that it's my fault for sticking with Blood Angels despite the thing I liked about them has gone away? Or that I should field Assault Marines despite the fact that they're terrible? What did you like that has gone away just out of interest?
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Aug 20, 2019 23:51
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I don’t mind people playing with red ultramarines or yellow dark angels But I really struggle when people point at box dreads and say ‘actually that’s a leviathan, and the vindicate is an eversor, and anywhere you can see a heavy flamer is actually a heavy bolter’ Like the game is fast, complex and visual aids are very helpful, having to constantly ask what something actually is so you don’t mess up is poo poo.
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Aug 20, 2019 23:56
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Yeast posted:I don’t mind people playing with red ultramarines or yellow dark angels I've done that when experimenting with things. I would never do it with someone unless they were a good friend and the context of us meeting up was "hey I wanted to try and proxy something is that okay?"
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Aug 20, 2019 23:59
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Cooked Auto posted:
Does anyone know if this is just Mordant Earth, wash, drybrush? Is primer involved at all? Frozen Methane looks like a good, quick-and-dirty base for Blackstone Fortress.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:19
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Razor Jacksuit posted:Does anyone know if this is just Mordant Earth, wash, drybrush? Is primer involved at all? Frozen Methane looks like a good, quick-and-dirty base for Blackstone Fortress. It's color directly on the base, Mordant on top, then drybrush. No wash.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:20
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mango sentinel posted:It's color directly on the base, Mordant on top, then drybrush. No wash. That’s awesome and simple.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:23
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Is Mordant Earth new? I don't remember ever seeing it before, and those are some great looking bases.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:31
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My opinion on other peoples armies is I don't have one. It's your army, play whatever the gently caress you want. As long as it's easy to discern during a game, I could care less. Yeast posted:I don’t mind people playing with red ultramarines or yellow dark angels This guy gets it. Razor Jacksuit posted:Does anyone know if this is just Mordant Earth, wash, drybrush? Is primer involved at all? Frozen Methane looks like a good, quick-and-dirty base for Blackstone Fortress. To me, it looks like they painted the base underneath then put Mordant Earth down on top. When it dries it cracks, showing the color underneath. I'm curious to try this myself. I might swing by the shop later this week to pick some up and experiment.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:37
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Duct Tape posted:Is Mordant Earth new? I don't remember ever seeing it before, and those are some great looking bases. It's new, you would have to paint other stuff black previously.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:46
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Duct Tape posted:Is Mordant Earth new? I don't remember ever seeing it before, and those are some great looking bases. Yeah I think it showed up with the batch of non-contrast paints that came out at the same time. It's just a darker Agrellan Earth.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:46
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mango sentinel posted:It's new, you would have to paint other stuff black previously. You should see how much of a pain in the rear end this part was. There's a video of Duncan doing it with a hairdryer because painting the surface black is very time-sensitive. It's looked really awkward. It's so much better now that they've made a black version. Here's the tutorial for the old lovely method.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:51
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JBP posted:What did you like that has gone away just out of interest? ASSAULT MARINE TROOPS the TL:DR is that some marine flavors were very good at melee combat. From 3rd to 5th editions and I could count on a core of choppy jumpy boys to be my work horses. When I came back at the tail end of 7th Space Wolves were now the CC marines and I got wiped by White Scars just driving up terrain like it wasn't there. Then 8th happened and I keep waiting for some kind of troop level melee focused Primaris boys but it's all shoot shoot shoot. I doubt it will ever happen so I've branched out. So yeah I'm but hurt about my glorious beautiful space vampire boys being reduced to having a single leadership level beatstick, and then Endman comes up in here like Ben loving Shapiro telling me its my loving fault GW changes their poo poo all the time? gently caress that.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:55
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DiHK posted:
Jesus loving christ lmao
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Aug 21, 2019 00:58
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OhDearGodNo posted:Thanks for the answer and flowchart, definitely helps when I have 3 books to work with. drat 8th is real good, y'all.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:59
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DiHK posted:So yeah I'm but hurt about my glorious beautiful space vampire boys being reduced to having a single leadership level beatstick, and then Endman comes up in here like Ben loving Shapiro telling me its my loving fault GW changes their poo poo all the time? gently caress that. 
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Aug 21, 2019 00:59
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Ah man I'm the same with my wolves a bit. They're pretty good if you can get them into combat and the shock assault will be good, but I wish there was a squad of primaris grey slayers or equivalent to play with. Blood Angels I imagine would love something similar with the +1 to wounds. Also lmao Endman the Ben Shapiro of traditional games
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Aug 21, 2019 01:00
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DiHK posted:ASSAULT MARINE TROOPS The Black Rage consumes another battle brother.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:04
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DiHK posted:ASSAULT MARINE TROOPS Blood angels assault marines as troops was like a 1 edition thing. I wouldn't call losing that GW changing their poo poo all the time - oh and in 8th you can actually use appropriate detachments to run an army with all jump troops if that's what you want. And blood angels fluff isn't all assault all the time, they emphasize a normal combined arms approach.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:04
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JBP posted:Ah man I'm the same with my wolves a bit. They're pretty good if you can get them into combat and the shock assault will be good They keep getting closer and closer to making it where I can work with it but even veterans are still lacking. Death Company with a Chaplin and a Sanguinary Preist and Shock Assault might just make it but that's a point heavy platform.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:07
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DiHK posted:They keep getting closer and closer to making it where I can work with it but even veterans are still lacking. Death Company with a Chaplin and a Sanguinary Preist and Shock Assault might just make it but that's a point heavy platform. Hey man just run them as dark eldar, those guys seem pretty good.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:07
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How long until you toss all your small boys in the trash and just embrace the primaris future?
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Aug 21, 2019 01:08
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Yeast posted:Edit: If the unit entry is 'Dude on Bike' then no Ok so that kinda sucks, My White Scars techmarine now has to be mounted, and I only have primaris transports. My apothecary on bike will now need to be converted to something.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:12
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Um if you run stealthy for cover and an imperial fists warlord trait your castle is getting +2 saves within 6" all the time (from shooting of course)  E: I've hosed this up it's only -1 ap weapons but still pretty great! Just not ludicrous. JBP fucked around with this message at 01:29 on Aug 21, 2019 |
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Booley posted:Blood angels assault marines as troops was like a 1 edition thing. Was it really only 1st? Maybe thats why the other half of the army was always 3 rhinos and 15 to 30 tactical marines. Also, shh, let me have my rage. Also also if you're not running a battalion you are handicapping yourself on CP pretty severely. Lord_Hambrose posted:How long until you toss all your small boys in the trash and just embrace the primaris future? I've got like 15 Battle for Maccragge boys and some assorted heavy weapons guys. Everybody else took the black.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:18
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JBP posted:Um if you run stealthy for cover and an imperial fists warlord trait your castle is getting +2 saves within 6" all the time (from shooting of course) You can only select the fists warlord trait if you're actually fists, and it's only +2 instead of +1 if you're being shot at by ap-1 weapons (so not lascannons)
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Aug 21, 2019 01:27
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dexefiend posted:I am smooth brained as gently caress. These rule, you rule
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Booley posted:You can only select the fists warlord trait if you're actually fists, and it's only +2 instead of +1 if you're being shot at by ap-1 weapons (so not lascannons) Ah yeah I just caught this and went and changed my post. Ah well. I wonder what the successor traits will be like in the coming books. I'm just excited about the custom chapters you can make.
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dexefiend posted:I am smooth brained as gently caress. This army is mindblowing in that you assembled (and painted as Howling Griffons) that many Inceptors
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tallkidwithglasses posted:Hey man just run them as dark eldar, those guys seem pretty good. What's funny about this is that I'm considering running a minimalist battalion of kabal warriors with my wraithhost for the cp
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Aug 21, 2019 02:20
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DiHK posted:They keep getting closer and closer to making it where I can work with it but even veterans are still lacking. Death Company with a Chaplin and a Sanguinary Preist and Shock Assault might just make it but that's a point heavy platform. Somebody had reasonable success with an army built around a massive unit of death company with all the setup using forlorn fury and a massive unit of sanguinary guard with all the buff characters a few months back so its definitely got some legs.
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Mostly done with my Dyonysius pattern attack bikes. Still need to get the twin bolters painted and attached, as well as paint the multi-melta options.   Size comparison: 
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Aug 21, 2019 02:55
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I think with the new book, Marneus Calgar in artificer armor and Marneus Calgar Primaris are both legal options but I’m not sure about terminator Marneus.
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Aug 21, 2019 02:57
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Does anyone have a source for white decals that are the alpha legion hydras disguised as the Ultra symbol?
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PantsOptional posted:The supplement says that as long as you say your dudes are Successors of a First Founding Chapter, they count as that Chapter for Warlord Traits, Special Issue Wargear, Stratagems, Psychic Powers, and Tactical Objectives. Doesn’t matter if you took Inheritors or the pick two option, though it does mention that if you’re playing a Chapter known to be Successors of a different First Founding Chapter in established lore, you have to declare it as a Successor of that Chapter. In friendly games this just means that suddenly your blue and white dudes aren’t Novamarines but are some other Chapter as long as everyone is okay with it, and as has been stated anyone giving poo poo for that is someone not to be played. This is pretty much it, but given that anyone not awful will basically ignore it (along with the rule that only Ultramarines can use their Special Relics, which RAW excludes a successor using Scions of Guilliman), why put it in the rules? I don't want to be the guy harping on about GW rules bloat coming to 8th but it feels like the kind of awkward rules bloat you get when you try to give a rules basis to things that should be fun and fluffy. I play 1K sons so ultimately I'm not affected by it but I'm just really into elegant rules design. MinistryofLard fucked around with this message at 03:35 on Aug 21, 2019 |
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MinistryofLard posted:This is pretty much it, but given that anyone not awful will basically ignore it (along with the rule that only Ultramarines can use their Special Relics, which RAW excludes a successor using Scions of Guilliman), why put it in the rules? Because you can use the chapter creation rules to make an ultramarines successor chapter and still get access to the ultramarines warlord traits, special issue wargear, strategems, psychic powers, and tactical objectives. But if you do that you don't get the chapter specific relics or characters, which is just fine and makes sense as those are balanced around the ultramarines tactics.
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DiHK posted:What's funny about this is that I'm considering running a minimalist battalion of kabal warriors with my wraithhost for the cp Maybe consider just making and painting the models you enjoy making and painting, and then maybe playing them in a game. Or whatever, paint 5000 points of howling griffons and never roll a die, I’m not your dad.
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So what's my best option for adding some melee marines to my Black Templars? I'm half tempted to do Vanguard Vets with dual chainswords for the funny factor.
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MinistryofLard posted:This is pretty much it, but given that anyone not awful will basically ignore it (along with the rule that only Ultramarines can use their Special Relics, which RAW excludes a successor using Scions of Guilliman), why put it in the rules? Btw there's a one use 1CP stratagem that lets a UM successor chapter take a single UM relic and replaces all the Ultramarines keywords of the relic with your dudes. E: this one:  White Scars get one too: 
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