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Motronic posted:Swapping $40 worth of plastics on a $400 laptop does not cost $300. It does if you're a computer repairman. Mr. Nice! posted:I'm guessing the $300 is the insurance deductible and they pay that regardless of actual repair costs. I only say that because my younger sister stepped on her laptop screen when she had one issued by her high school forever ago, and the insurance deductible was $300. Yep, but the school should still have documentation of paying someone $300.
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Look Sir Droids posted:It does if you're a computer repairman. They probably do, and the principal is being a dick. The goon probably signed something acknowledging the $300 charge when he enrolled his daughter in school and forgot. These documents are being produced at the speed of government and our goon friend isn’t getting special attention because there are a bunch of other students’ that don’t have their laptops for the same reason. Bunch of kids broke their laptops and a bunch of parents don’t wanna pay is what this sounds like. I have no doubt that the actual repairs cost less than $300, but if that’s just the insurance deductible he’s SOL and is just gonna have to pay it.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:16
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If the repairs were less than the deductable, wouldn't the liability still only be the repair cost, as that was the only actual damage? The school wouldn't have claimed it anyway.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:23
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The school isn’t repairing them. They likely have a contract with a supplier that handles it all. That’s at least the setup i’ve seen in the past. Mr. Nice! fucked around with this message at 22:27 on Aug 20, 2019 |
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Aug 20, 2019 22:24
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Mr. Nice! posted:They probably do, and the principal is being a dick. The goon probably signed something acknowledging the $300 charge when he enrolled his daughter in school and forgot. Noooooo. I've spent over 20 years in the military. I sign nothing that I do not understand first. Mr. Nice! posted:These documents are being produced at the speed of government I'm really suspecting that they don't actually have anything documented. But if they do, I just want to see it. Mr. Nice! posted:I have no doubt that the actual repairs cost less than $300, but if that’s just the insurance deductible he’s SOL and is just gonna have to pay it. That's always a possibility. Mr. Nice! posted:The school isn’t repairing them. They likely have a contract with a supplier that handles it all. I don't know what they do with these chromebooks. But they put iPads, enough for every kid to have one, in the elementary schools and didn't contract repairs. So now instead of every kid having and iPad, it's only a few per classroom that get passed around.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:27
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It’s not that I think you didn’t understand. It’s just that you (or your spouse) likely signed it when the kid was first enrolled years ago and it was a part of a large stack of paperwork involving shot records and class schedules. If they didn’t have parents sign something before giving kids laptops then it’s probably in some handbook or something they gave you.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:34
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Mr. Nice! posted:It’s not that I think you didn’t understand. It’s just that you (or your spouse) likely signed it when the kid was first enrolled years ago and it was a part of a large stack of paperwork involving shot records and class schedules. Right, I've got that. It just says the school may require you to pay for damage where appropriate. It doesn't get any more specific than that. Which is why I just want to see where the 300 dollars comes from.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:41
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My law school laid it on pretty heavy that the whole reason the contra preferendum rule exists is really that Judges absolutely loathe lawyers who aren't nearly as smart as they think they are using legalisms that are really just gibberish when plain English would work just fine.
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Aug 20, 2019 23:19
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spacetoaster posted:Right, I've got that. Gotcha. I’m just speculating here.
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Alchenar posted:My law school laid it on pretty heavy that the whole reason the contra preferendum rule exists is really that Judges absolutely loathe lawyers who aren't nearly as smart as they think they are using legalisms that are really just gibberish when plain English would work just fine. ...and yet they used the Latin name for the term
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Aug 20, 2019 23:28
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Motronic posted:Swapping $40 worth of plastics on a $400 laptop does not cost $300. Every laptop I've opened up in aaaaages has specific screws in the bottom to let you pop out the explicitly replaceable keyboard unit with no other bullshit aside from maybe removing the battery to get at one of them. If they paid $300 for that, either they got fleeced or the computer repair guy is the principal's brother or some poo poo.
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Aug 20, 2019 23:36
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Heners_UK posted:...and yet they used the Latin name for the term Lingua Anglica peius linguam Latinam
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Aug 21, 2019 01:30
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Discendo Vox posted:Lingua Anglica A lot of humanities and social sciences academic writing is about trying to sound as educated as possible at all times to impress/intimidate your reader, even at the expense of obscuring your point. My limited experience with legal academic writing is that this same urge is funneled into Latin.
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Aug 21, 2019 02:39
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homullus posted:My limited experience with legal academic writing is that this same urge is funneled into Latin. Nonne erras.
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Aug 21, 2019 05:25
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Javid posted:Every laptop I've opened up in aaaaages has specific screws in the bottom to let you pop out the explicitly replaceable keyboard unit with no other bullshit aside from maybe removing the battery to get at one of them. If they paid $300 for that, either they got fleeced or the computer repair guy is the principal's brother or some poo poo. Laptop manufacturers love to pull weird bullshit. But yeah, $300 for a couple of scratches is loving ridiculous. Especially on a Chromebook. Not a lawyer, just a longtime computer toucher.
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Aug 21, 2019 05:34
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So I wrote the letter, and my daughter was given her computer this morning. Thank you lawyer thread. (The principal is still adamant that I must pay 300 dollars, but I told her we could discuss it further once she provides some documentation)
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Aug 21, 2019 15:10
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spacetoaster posted:So I wrote the letter, and my daughter was given her computer this morning. Fantastic news. Since it was in your letter, simply wait for that documentation. Honestly if it never materializes along with a written claim for payment, I'd consider simply leave the matter alone and never mention it again. If however this $300 is a balence owing on an account or something at the school (and you know this from a more credible source than a principle furiously spitting it at you as a single sentence in a heated meeting) then I'd follow up once they've had their chance. Set a reasonable time limit to resolve this matter (31 days, 63 days... something that looks calculated). Once this reasonable time has passed without documentation, write another letter stating that you've received nothing and that the matter is closed, with any pending invoices/similar cancelled. Keep in mind that the time limit is just a number for your sake, it's not a real limit that applies to them, so use something reasonable. That letter should read something like "It has been 63 days since I received any communication from you in regards to this matter. As you know, I have requested supporting documentation for your claim. Since this has not been received, I consider this matter closed. If there are any pending invoices or account charges related to this matter, please cancel them for the same reason."
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Aug 21, 2019 16:43
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You could also write them a check for $15 with “daughters computer 2018-2019: accord and satisfaction” in the memo line and see if they cash it (This is a joke it is not legal advice m)
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Aug 21, 2019 16:45
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Plot twist: she was given a scratched computer
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Aug 21, 2019 16:58
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Discendo Vox posted:Lingua Anglica peius linguam Latinam With that username you should really have better Latin 
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Aug 21, 2019 17:05
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euphronius posted:You could also write them a check for $15 with “daughters computer 2018-2019: accord and satisfaction” in the memo line and see if they cash it Ha ha. I looked up the actual cost of the computer. It's $218 new. I'm going to have to see if this principal is selling used computers out of her car trunk.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:07
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spacetoaster posted:Ha ha. Offer to buy the school a new one. Then deduct it on your taxes.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:11
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spacetoaster posted:It's $218 new. If you ever get to the point of discussing costs with them, after documentation provided, you have a new maximum amount to pay.
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There's good reason to have latin terms for specific things in legal practice where it's referring to a concrete thing without a simple alternate name. That's...not how most people use it.feedmegin posted:With that username you should really have better Latin Legalis Latium nones verdid justicam.
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Heners_UK posted:If you ever get to the point of discussing costs with them, after documentation provided, you have a new maximum amount to pay. Absolutely. And less than that because the computer is fine (and being used by another kid). If it comes to it, it's going to be some notional amount. Because I don't see how they can say the computer was ruined (I have one of our initial emails where the principal lies and says that the computer was ruined) when it was re-issued with no repair being done. I work for the federal government, and write regulation/policy, so I'm really kinda surprised that a large school system doesn't have a more robust system for dealing with school issued electronics (considering every kid has one). Of course, I substitute teach for this school system, and have been doing it for 2 years and have yet to obtain any sort of handbook. Every few months I contact HR and ask for one and am told "We'll get you one when we get one". 
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Aug 21, 2019 17:37
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Discendo Vox posted:Legalis Latium nones verdid justicam. Latium's laws 3pm equitable springtime? And that's reaching because I don't think 'verdid' is even Latin.
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Aug 21, 2019 17:46
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Javid posted:Every laptop I've opened up in aaaaages has specific screws in the bottom to let you pop out the explicitly replaceable keyboard unit with no other bullshit aside from maybe removing the battery to get at one of them. If they paid $300 for that, either they got fleeced or the computer repair guy is the principal's brother or some poo poo. Depends on the laptop, I worked in computer repair ages ago in undergrad, and some brands and series (off the top of my head, Dell Inspirons, ASUS, Lenovo) were super easy to replace the keyboard -- you unscrewed 2 screws on the bottom, popped the keyboard tabs out, unplugged the data ribbon, and replace. Took 20 minutes. On the other hand, Acers, HP, Dell Latitude, and a bunch of others requires 30+ screws from both the top of the housing and the bottom, and some (apple) required the entire motherboard and hard drive to be removed and it took 2-3 hours. Bottom line, like any industry, charge for the worst case scenario. Some laptops were also comically fragile (Apple, again) and if you bent a ribbon or port or screw ever so slightly, you'd break something very expensive, and of course, the customer shouldn't be expected to pay for that fuckup. That said, glad the situation was resolved amicably though.
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Aug 21, 2019 19:08
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Discendo Vox posted:Legalis Latium nones verdid justicam.
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euphronius posted:You could also write them a check for $15 with “daughters computer 2018-2019: accord and satisfaction” in the memo line and see if they cash it It is a joke unless you include a peppercorn.
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euphronius posted:You could also write them a check for $15 with “daughters computer 2018-2019: accord and satisfaction” in the memo line and see if they cash it What you do is first, you get a sheep then you *shear* the above text and bank routing numbers into the side of the sheep then you sign the sheep with the shears (may need to take a calligraphy lesson first Dare them to deposit it if they do, demand the return of the cancelled sheep
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Aug 21, 2019 19:29
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The principal didn’t have very strong principles when it came to money demands.
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Aug 21, 2019 20:07
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JUST MAKING CHILI posted:The principal didn’t have very strong principles when it came to money demands. The principal claim was $300
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Aug 21, 2019 20:34
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They would do well to realise it wasn't a principality
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Aug 21, 2019 20:39
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Ghostnuke posted:
I'm still waiting for the shoe to drop in Chicken Battle. Their lawyer keeps trying to send me a certified letter, but I'm never home to sign for it, so 
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He showed Robin his dick
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Ghostnuke posted:I'm still waiting for the shoe to drop in Chicken Battle. Their lawyer keeps trying to send me a certified letter, but I'm never home to sign for it, so I'm actually super invested in the chicken battle and I hope you can keep us updated but will understand if for legal reasons you need to stop posting about it on the internet.
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Aug 22, 2019 02:17
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Lol glad spacetoaster got his kid’s computer before posting his support for dubious sex tourists
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Phil Moscowitz posted:Lol glad spacetoaster got his kid’s computer before posting his support for dubious sex tourists I've only briefly look at that thread but the actual post linked to his probation appears to be one where he's trying to explain the precise language he used. My efforts to teach letter writing by forum posts must have not stuck beyond the laptop topic.
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Has anyone here argued the Crumbling Skull Rule in a brief And is there a more hardcore legal doctrine than that one
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Devor posted:
I've always been a fan of the dead hand poison pill.
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