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I know most everyone here subscribes to Techmoan already, but this really did something for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QB0OinQkgA The whole thing is magical, this is what I remember future looking like. I wonder if anyone has hacked one to connect to the net yet.
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You guys keep mentioning "chicklet keyboards" and I keep having nightmarish flashbacks to this PCjr monstrosity that my father brought home in 1984 
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Aug 20, 2019 19:55
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But it's wireless! In case you want to look at your 12" CRT from across the room.
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Aug 20, 2019 20:16
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:But it's wireless! In case you want to look at your 12" CRT from across the room. is that what people use wireless keyboards for? i just use them to have fewer wires
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Aug 20, 2019 20:18
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:But it's wireless! In case you want to look at your 12" CRT from across the room.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Macintosh_TV Only 2,000 of your 1993 dollars.
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Aug 20, 2019 22:53
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Any idea which cherry Mx switches would come closest to the Apple Extended II keyboard? I’m leaning towards browns.
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Aug 20, 2019 23:11
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Powered Descent posted:If anyone wants to go deeper into keyboardchat (for specific recommendations or whatever) there's a thread dedicated to it: I need to buy a Unicomp someday, I think I'll stick with my silly Corsair LED monstrosity for my gaming desktop but I want the Unicomp for my KVM on my servers at home. God I miss typing on Model Ms (or something very much like them, I can't recall) in my middle school library. I have always been a pretty fast typer and the beautiful hell-symphony produced by those keyboards when I'd really get into typing is something I miss. People complain when I leave my phone off mute accidentally on conference calls and I type on the Corsair, they have no idea how bad it could be
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Aug 20, 2019 23:37
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:Some people even go with "negative tilt" keyboards, where it's angled away from you. The different angles all feel about the same to me. Regular tilt can cause wrist strain if you bend your wrists down to touch the desk, but you can just... not do that. A different kind of keyboard, but the keys player in Alestorm has his keyboards tilted towards the audience, almost like a keytar. Looks weird as hell but I guess it works for him.
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I can sorta see that making sense for a musical keyboard/midi controller, especially in a band like Alestorm where there's a lot of head banging. I know for sure Pogo from Marilyn Manson and possibly some of the NIN synth players had them on flexible stands similar to large springs to accommodate on stage shenanigans
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A FUCKIN CANARY!! posted:Some people even go with "negative tilt" keyboards, where it's angled away from you. The different angles all feel about the same to me. Regular tilt can cause wrist strain if you bend your wrists down to touch the desk, but you can just... not do that. Basically anything that rotates your wrists away from a straight position (up-and-down or side-to-side) is going to cause strain and contribute to repetitive stress issues. Propping a keyboard up or rotating it down will cause you to bend your wrists. Bulky wrist rests can also cause harm by compressing your carpal tunnel. Microsoft actually got it 100% right with their natural keyboard. One easy thing you can do to ease the strain on your hands is to make sure your chair is positioned such that your elbows and bottoms of your forearms are lined up with the surface of the desk. You should also have the monitors positioned so that you're looking at them at a slight downward angle, like 10deg lower than horizontal.
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Aug 21, 2019 00:29
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Father Jack posted:
 This thing cost $7,500usd in 1997. It also was one of the early products designed by Jony Ive. It was intended to be a mainstream device but they decided to market it to high rollers, complete with concierge delivery and setup via limo with leather accessories like a CD case and keyboard rests. It's main feature were a TV tuner, detachable trackpad and Bose speakers. That's about it. It was also slim for the time. Given many Macs had to compensate for a CRT in its form factor, this looked pretty amazing and was used in the background of shows like Seinfeld and features in Batman and Robin. At the time a similarly specced PowerMac 6500 cost $3000, so the TAM was a bit of a costly gimmick. Jobs hated it as it went against his ethos of having a computer for everyone and it was one of the first against the wall on his return. It eventually dropped in price to $1,995 in '98 with past buyers offered a powerbook as compensation. It's legacy is as a curio within Apple's history. At best you could stretch that it's idea of a slim all in one unit powered with an LCD was a sign of things to come.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:04
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Wasn’t that thing in Batman and Robin?
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I don't see nipples on it so I'm not sure. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2v_lpwjKUw Was watching Red Dwarf the other day which reminded me that my dad had the same microwave until 5 or 6 years ago.
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Flash Gordon Ramsay posted:Any idea which cherry Mx switches would come closest to the Apple Extended II keyboard? I’m leaning towards browns. I’m a piece of poo poo that happily uses a MacBook keyboard 100% of the time so...
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SLOSifl posted:I’m choosing not to start a keyboard switch conversation with my coworker again, but I can certainly ask where he ordered his cherry sample board tomorrow. It has one of each switch and some keycaps to try them out. While it’s entirely possible he built it himself it’s also likely it came from digikey or similar. https://www.amazon.com/Cherry-Switch-Tester-keyboard-Sampler/dp/B01GZHU1EG hopefully not the newest MacBook keyboard, I can use them for normal stuff, but writing code on it is awful, I dock it and use a mechanical, CX Storm or something I think.
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Aug 21, 2019 01:45
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Plinkey posted:https://www.amazon.com/Cherry-Switch-Tester-keyboard-Sampler/dp/B01GZHU1EG Perversely enough, I've actually gotten to like the macbook keyboard. It's great for hauling around to meetings and such, but for anything that requires lots of typing, I plug in the proper full-size board at my desk.
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Aug 21, 2019 02:01
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Father Jack posted:Only 2,000 of your 1993 dollars. A few years later I got an ATI All In Wonder and it was so cool surfing the webnet while watching Felicity reruns.
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Aug 21, 2019 03:21
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1000 Brown M and Ms posted:A different kind of keyboard, but the keys player in Alestorm has his keyboards tilted towards the audience, almost like a keytar. Looks weird as hell but I guess it works for him. Ah the old Janne Wirman (Children of Bodom) move. 
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Aug 21, 2019 03:38
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Apple used to make some decent keyboards circa 2001-2005 - the Apple Pro keyboards were just fine. Since then my opinions and theirs have diverged further and further.
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Data Graham posted:Man, speaking of tech relics, how about the myriad of wacky alt-keyboard styles from the 90s because everyone was terrified that carpal tunnel syndrome would turn us all into club-handed gorillas NonzeroCircle posted:used for basic donkey-related admin, barbecue at the folks posted:I know most everyone here subscribes to Techmoan already, but this really did something for me: NonzeroCircle posted:I know for sure Pogo from Marilyn Manson and possibly some of the NIN synth players had them on flexible stands similar to large springs to accommodate on stage shenanigans
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Aug 21, 2019 04:38
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I remember over 20 years ago having issues with my right wrist and ring and pinky fingers, I think I probably used the mouse a lot more back then but I also did this stupid thing where I had those two fingers folded under my hand or something, maybe I had a much smaller mouse? Anyway I haven't really slowed down on the computer use and I'm fine despite using a normal keyboard, but I don't fold those fingers now. The only people I know with carpal tunnel are people who've had more manual jobs working with tools, not keyboards and mice. I work with some people who use those weird keyboards, and trackballs instead of mice, so they're still a thing, and in fact it does seem like having my hands much further apart would be better on my shoulders, which are kinda hosed 
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Aug 21, 2019 06:47
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I used a trackball before I ever used a mouse and still prefer them.
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I like maintaining what people tell me is a weird desk set-up - I like my typing surface a lot higher than most people, my chair lower, and to be looking even or slightly upward at my monitor(s). I raise the right arm on my office chair to support my mouse hand, and because of the higher typing surface my wrists don't bend much at all while using the keyboard. My current office chair doesn't get as low as I'd like, but it's pretty low. I don't think this stuff is recommended ergonomics but it's worked for me for decades now. No hand or wrist problems here.
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Dr. Quarex posted:I assume, based on what I remember of your life and it sounding vaguely similar to mine, the first time you heard a Carpal-Tunnel Syndrome scare report and saw those keyboards you thought "shouldn't I have this by now since I have been typing all day every day without a thought to ergonomics for 15 years" Pretty much. But then I also had a bunch of older people around me who were trying to make it in the newfangled computer world, and it seemed like it was mostly them the CTS stuff was aimed at — primarily people who'd had all kinds of typing techniques drilled into them over decades of using typewriters. So they would do things like elevate their wrists (keeping their hands at 90 degrees to their arms, wtf) because that's what they were taught. And maybe that made some kind of sense in keeping your typing slow enough to avoid jamming keys, same as the QWERTY layout did in the first place; but when that was no longer an issue and you could type however fast you wanted, it just meant your wrists were gonna go crazy like that. I never paid any attention to those helpful tips and just let my hands lay flat, and here I am 30 years later with nary a trouble.
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:I brought in an extra clicky mechanical keyboard to the office. One day. I thought I was going to get murdered in the parking lot. The benefit of a Model M is that you can crush the skulls of all the complainers with it and still type on it for a dozen more years. 
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Casimir Radon posted:I used a trackball before I ever used a mouse and still prefer them. Trackballs for lyfe 
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CaptainSarcastic posted:I don't think this stuff is recommended ergonomics but it's worked for me for decades now. No hand or wrist problems here. The Bonitis will kill you any day now
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rndmnmbr posted:The benefit of a Model M is that you can crush the skulls of all the complainers with it and still type on it for a dozen more years. My Model Ms pull double duty as data entry and home defense devices.
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SLOSifl posted:I’m choosing not to start a keyboard switch conversation with my coworker again, but I can certainly ask where he ordered his cherry sample board tomorrow. It has one of each switch and some keycaps to try them out. While it’s entirely possible he built it himself it’s also likely it came from digikey or similar. Yeah I have one of those, it's how I decided on the browns. But without an actual AEK II to try out side by side, I'm relying on my hazy memories of what that keyboard felt like. Someone in the keyboard thread pointed out a suggestion, so I'm looking into that. Thanks!
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big crush on Chad OMG posted:I brought in an extra clicky mechanical keyboard to the office. One day. I thought I was going to get murdered in the parking lot. The woman who sits at the desk in front of me has those awful fake acrylic nails and her typing is 5x louder than anyone else. Drives me absolutely nuts.
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WescottF1 posted:The woman who sits at the desk in front of me has those awful fake acrylic nails and her typing is 5x louder than anyone else. Drives me absolutely nuts. We have one of those too, and she also wears multiple bracelets. It sounds like a herd of miniature wild horses on Red Bull.
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If the sound of typing drives you crazy, maybe an office job isn't for you. That being said, if you complained about the sound of my typing, I would crush your skull, carve another notch in my Model M, and carry on with my day.
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The only thing that can stop a bad guy with a loud keyboard is a good guy with a loud keyboard.
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rndmnmbr posted:If the sound of typing drives you crazy, maybe an office job isn't for you. I’m assuming said skull crushing would be done with the Model M as well?
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Bargearse posted:That, right there, is amazing. Found out from the AUG lads that the luma on the C64 is broken. Luckily there is a plug in solution for the VIC II chip
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WescottF1 posted:The woman who sits at the desk in front of me has those awful fake acrylic nails and her typing is 5x louder than anyone else. Drives me absolutely nuts. We have one too. But she also spied my cheap mechanical and bought one for herself.
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You Am I posted:Found out from the AUG lads that the luma on the C64 is broken. Luckily there is a plug in solution for the VIC II chip Aaaargh don't tell me I missed out on yet another AUG meetup. I should be at next month's, but I said that about this month so who knows.
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Bargearse posted:Aaaargh don't tell me I missed out on yet another AUG meetup. I should be at next month's, but I said that about this month so who knows. Tis was last Sunday.
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Dewgy posted:I’m assuming said skull crushing would be done with the Model M as well? As it is the heaviest object in reach, naturally.
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