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Groovelord Neato posted:canon is only what i accept. Realtalk this is the correct way to handle canon
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Xenomrph posted:Realtalk this is the correct way to handle canon Star Trek fans off to the side, quietly loling that it took y'all this long to figure it out
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Aug 14, 2019 21:55
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Groovelord Neato posted:canon is only what i accept. David created the Alien and also Prometheus and Covenant are amazing and everyone else is wrong. That’s my canon.
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Aug 14, 2019 22:28
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CelticPredator posted:David created the Alien and also Prometheus and Covenant are amazing and everyone else is wrong. There's simply no denying it.
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Aug 14, 2019 23:39
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Ferrinus posted:There's simply no denying it. I won’t lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies. 
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Aug 15, 2019 00:05
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CelticPredator posted:David created the Alien and also Prometheus and Covenant are amazing and everyone else is wrong. Part of this sentence is correct
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CelticPredator posted:David created the Alien and also Prometheus and Covenant are amazing and everyone else is wrong. I'm sorry.
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Aug 15, 2019 00:14
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CelticPredator posted:David created the Alien and also Prometheus and Covenant are amazing and everyone else is wrong. This opinion is an alien extending its dripping inner jaw at me as I cower in fear and disgust in the shower.
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Aug 15, 2019 00:19
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i think Aliens is worse for the Alien canon than Prometheus and Covenant honestly. big space bugs? snoooooozers
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Aug 15, 2019 00:24
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Prometheus and Covenant are the only canon Alien movies.
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Aug 15, 2019 00:26
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alf_pogs posted:i think Aliens is worse for the Alien canon than Prometheus and Covenant honestly. big space bugs? snoooooozers This argument comes up a lot but I don't really agree. People take what the Marines say ("just another bug hunt" "they're animals") as truth when the entire film actually says the opposite: They're intelligent thinking creatures who are underestimated at every single moment. The entire point of Aliens is that they are *not* big space bugs no matter what Hudson says and you'd think people would get that Hudson was wrong because he's loving Hudson. Like one thing people forget is that Aliens explicilty shows that the Aliens are intelligent not merely in an animal way. Aliens says absolutely nothing about where the Aliens came from or really anything but "the eggs are laid by a really big alien" which is entirely reasonable. The 'big space bugs' thing only comes from dumbass marines who get their asses kicked because they don't actually understand what they're up against because they are expecting giant space bugs. I feel like when people say this they mix up the EU (which goes further and further into THEY JUST BUGS) and forget that the actual movie doesn't really go in that direction. ImpAtom fucked around with this message at 00:31 on Aug 15, 2019 |
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Aug 15, 2019 00:29
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ImpAtom posted:This argument comes up a lot but I don't really agree. i think the Queen is really what tips the scales towards the bug theory being accurate. i know its not really in the first film, but the idea of people turning into eggs for facehuggers is way way creepier - and to me more "perfect" of a lifecycle - than the queen existing and churning out a conveyor belt of eggs but hey variety is the spice of life - what i actually love is how all these different movies and takes means the actual alien canon is nearly impossible to pin down. even David's tinkering isn't him inventing the alien, so much as messing about with goo. the ambiguity and conflicting canons is way more exciting and interesting to me. otherwise i'd just watch the MCU
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Aug 15, 2019 01:18
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In these days when everything is trying to be a Cinematic Universe so you have to see every tangentally related film due to FOMO; its nice to remind yourself that every movie just tells its own story and doesn't have to be part of some deep Similarion rear end lore.
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Aug 15, 2019 01:24
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CelticPredator posted:THE alien https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agw27HhB4H4 (I love that clip too much)
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Aug 15, 2019 03:27
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Owlbear Camus posted:That has inspired a scenario idea when I get my Alien tabletop RPG: A derilect in space with a sargasso style amalgamated hulk of 5-6 different commercial/military/rescue ships docked together each diverted because they "happened to encounter a signal," to the point where it's almost comical when the PC's arrive. Ferrinus posted:If you ignore Prometheus and Covenant then they're basically big wasps.
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Aug 15, 2019 03:33
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I think the xenos are the Mad Max of space, they're campfire stories for interstellar colonists to tell in the dark. That's how Pitch Black and Riddick follow on in the far future.
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Aug 15, 2019 03:38
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Xenomrph posted:I won’t lie to you about your chances... but you have my sympathies. This makes no sense.
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Aug 15, 2019 04:32
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Well Manicured Man posted:Prometheus and Covenant are the only canon Alien movies. Owlbear Camus posted:In these days when everything is trying to be a Cinematic Universe so you have to see every tangentally related film due to FOMO; its nice to remind yourself that every movie just tells its own story and doesn't have to be part of some deep Similarion rear end lore.
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yeah it sucks so much that the aliens are space wasps. NOT.quote:I own that I cannot see as plainly as others do, and as I should wish to do, evidence of design and beneficence on all sides of us. There seems to me too much misery in the world. I cannot persuade myself that a beneficent and omnipotent God would have designedly created the Ichneumonidae with the express intention of their feeding within the living bodies of Caterpillars
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Aug 15, 2019 11:51
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Groovelord Neato posted:yeah it sucks so much that the aliens are space wasps. NOT. Hey you cut out the cat part. Jonesy erasing motherfucker
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Aug 15, 2019 17:15
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I finished reading the comic adaptation of William Gibson's 'Alien3' script draft and... it sure was a comic book, I guess. Maybe reading the script and listening to the audio drama will salvage it, but I didn't think the comic was that hot. Ripley (and to a lesser degree, Newt) gets written out of the plot in the laziest way possible, Hicks (and to a lesser degree, Bishop) is a non-character who is given nothing to do and feels flat and lifeless, poo poo just kind of.... happens, it's all very inferior to the Alien3 we got. There was some stuff that just didn't make sense. On a visual level, giving the UPP soldiers a USCM dropship was lazy and didn't make a whole lot of sense. They're an independent and potentially hostile military, what are they doing with USCM tech? Like I could come up with explanations, but that doesn't make it less stupid. It took me a good while to figure out of the weapons division people were from the military or from W-Y and I'm not quite sure why. Speaking of, the corporate woman mutating out of nowhere caught me totally off-guard, I had to flip back and make sure I hadn't skipped a page somewhere. Like, she gets sucker-punched and the very next panel is her mutating like something out of 'The Thing'. The Sulaco gets intentionally diverted through UPP space to get to Anchorpoint because it's the shortest route.... but the Sulaco had apparently been out in space for four years since 'Aliens'? Wait, what? Like, the four year gap not only doesn't make sense, it's totally inconsequential to the story so why include it? I mean, I'm glad this exists - it's kind of an oddity and seeing a rejected script get visually adapted is a novel idea. I'd like it if they took a crack at adapting other script drafts like the Ward or Twohy scripts. But yeah this story was not good, or at least it wasn't executed well. I'll see if the actual script or the audio drama change my mind.
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The scientists were infected during a beaker break or something, the flow of the comic was pretty awful.
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Azubah posted:The scientists were infected during a beaker break or something, the flow of the comic was pretty awful. I understood when the infection happened, it was just her Thing-out was super abrupt and depicted across, like, two panels; it was super jarring.
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Xenomrph posted:I finished reading the comic adaptation of William Gibson's 'Alien3' script draft and... it sure was a comic book, I guess. Gibson's script was one of the worst alien things I've ever read, and I've read many of the alien comics recommended in this thread so my bar is quite low. I imagine a bad comic adaptation remains bad, or even worse than the script.
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Baronjutter posted:Gibson's script was one of the worst alien things I've ever read, and I've read many of the alien comics recommended in this thread so my bar is quite low. I imagine a bad comic adaptation remains bad, or even worse than the script.
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Ersatz posted:I enjoyed it as an audio-drama. But despite there being some neat ideas it was clearly half-baked. The way Gibson explains it in the comic introduction, it basically was half-baked. He wrote one draft, sent it to Fox, wrote another draft, and then Fox said “thank you for your services, we’ll contact you if we need anything else” and that was the end of his involvement with Alien3.
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I really liked the audio drama version. It's worth listening to at least once just to hear Bishop and Hicks do their thing one more time.
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This dropped today: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLcUiIy_ghw
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Timby posted:This dropped today: So what was the point of this, to advertise the Alien Anthology? I really liked the shots of the interior of the egg, I could watch more visuals like that for days on end. Ultimately it's just another remake scene from Alien.
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It keeps Covenant in the public image, and keeps pissing off people who don’t like it.
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sigher posted:So what was the point of this, to advertise the Alien Anthology? I really liked the shots of the interior of the egg, I could watch more visuals like that for days on end. Ultimately it's just another remake scene from Alien. Its canon. So is this. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT5IngAP_yk
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Aug 20, 2019 06:11
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ruddiger posted:Its canon. And this: https://youtu.be/ljEC7HKbP0g
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Also this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y40NxWUlP-g
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Aug 20, 2019 11:03
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 my girlfriend got me this rad tshirt for our one year dating anniversary 
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ruddiger posted:Its canon. And this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrqSCn0sBPw
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ruddiger posted:Its canon. There's a not nearly as good Bugles commercial from the early 00s that like, I mean it's not an Alien ad but there's no way in hell this didn't begin life as some kind of failed Alien Resurrection tie-in: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2WSk4ZlkrZI
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Timby posted:This dropped today: And there it is on the screen, "Highly Aggressive, Capable of Complex Thought" over what looks like a dissected xenomorph skull. Note to self: when exploring the laboratory of a mad genius, carry a loving stick to loving poke things with for gently caress's sake. That's a good video, a must-watch if you're a fan. Also dropping today is Chapter 7 of the Aliens RPG. This is the setting chapter. Everyone who pre-ordered got this. First impressions: They seem to be setting up as a space truckers game, with xenomorphs optional. We get about a page worth of jobs, salary, and cost of living. The wooden monastic space station is IN. So are prison colonies. You hypersleep because prolonged FTL travel makes people delusional, paranoid, and violently psychotic. There's a whole page on religion. Including the Church of Immaculate Incubation. A good chunk of the chapter is on spacecraft and the modules you can fit on them. We have a full 13 pages worth of space combat rules, discounting the map and the two-page spread for the Conestoga-class frigate (the Sulacco). Comments: This should be two chapters. Life in Space and Spaceships and Combat. They are definitely setting up to support a long-term campaign where you play a ship's crew out on the frontier doing whatever you have to to keep your independence. Shades of Traveller and Firefly.
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mllaneza posted:You hypersleep because prolonged FTL travel makes people delusional, paranoid, and violently psychotic. 
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The Church of Immaculate Incubation is a reference to the old comics, if I remember right.
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