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McTimmy
Feb 29, 2008

Sydin posted:

Ahahaha what the gently caress, I just got to Fort Merceus on GD route, and (massive spoilers what the gently caress) who the hell has ICBM technology? Is this actually a post apocalyptic setting? This has just gone hilariously off the rails.

I thought the exact same thing.

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Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Sydin posted:

Ahahaha what the gently caress, I just got to Fort Merceus on GD route, and (massive spoilers what the gently caress) who the hell has ICBM technology? Is this actually a post apocalyptic setting? This has just gone hilariously off the rails.

During the opening cutscene you do see a modern looking city so it was clear that something weird was going to happen.

Cattail Prophet
Apr 12, 2014

Question about New Game+: If I choose not to buy a given support/skill rank/whatever with renown and don't reach it normally in the current playthrough, will it still be available to buy for future playthroughs?

Fumbles
Mar 22, 2013

Can I get a reroll?

A lot of people hate on picking Blue Lions your first time through but I feel like it really boils down to whether you want the best Lord or the best House. Blue Lions have the tightest knit friends, the closest connections, and not a single one of them is an insufferable poo poo. Even Felix and his "while you slept I studied The Blade" mentality is super charming and sweet underneath everything and he calls Dimitri out on a lot of his worse tendencies. BL don't get stuck with a Hubert or a Lorenz.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Fumbles posted:

Blue Lions have the tightest knit friends, the closest connections, and not a single one of them is an insufferable poo poo.

right, not a single one. it's all of them


sorry Annette but your sonts are E rank

Hunt11
Jul 24, 2013

Grimey Drawer

Fumbles posted:

A lot of people hate on picking Blue Lions your first time through but I feel like it really boils down to whether you want the best Lord or the best House. Blue Lions have the tightest knit friends, the closest connections, and not a single one of them is an insufferable poo poo. Even Felix and his "while you slept I studied The Blade" mentality is super charming and sweet underneath everything and he calls Dimitri out on a lot of his worse tendencies. BL don't get stuck with a Hubert or a Lorenz.

You clearly have no idea what you are talking about if you are dissing Hubert like that.

Cattail Prophet
Apr 12, 2014

Fumbles posted:

A lot of people hate on picking Blue Lions your first time through but I feel like it really boils down to whether you want the best Lord or the best House. Blue Lions have the tightest knit friends, the closest connections, and not a single one of them is an insufferable poo poo. Even Felix and his "while you slept I studied The Blade" mentality is super charming and sweet underneath everything and he calls Dimitri out on a lot of his worse tendencies. BL don't get stuck with a Hubert or a Lorenz.

Hubert's great, sorry about your terminal bad taste. (Okay, obviously I wouldn't want to hang out with him in real life, but as a character he is extremely entertaining.)

Leal
Oct 2, 2009
Hubert is the best worst boy

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
if you were a Bleagle he'd be great to hang out with, you'd just be smoking and poo poo talking everyone from the other houses and they'd be too afraid to start anything with you

Fojar38
Sep 2, 2011


Sorry I meant to say I hope that the police use maximum force and kill or maim a bunch of innocent people, thus paving a way for a proletarian uprising and socialist utopia


also here's a stupid take
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I appreciate Hubert's commitment to being the evil wizard he was born to be but his codependent relationship with Edelgard is a bit awkward. At least Dedue's codependent relationship with Dimitri has its roots more clearly explained (Dedue is suicidally self-hating.)

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


So Claude's voice actor is doing a playthrough of the game. He made Byleth a girl to romance himself. :v: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tZJpmX-5aY

Mr. Pool
Jul 10, 2001

Fojar38 posted:

I appreciate Hubert's commitment to being the evil wizard he was born to be but his codependent relationship with Edelgard is a bit awkward. At least Dedue's codependent relationship with Dimitri has its roots more clearly explained (Dedue is suicidally self-hating.)

which is weird because in my GD playthrough I was surprised to find that Dedue survived after Dimitri got himself killed inexplicably and even returned to fight (and survive!) the final edelgard fight. If there was going to be one Blue Lion who didn't go down with the ship I would not have guessed Dedue

Onmi
Jul 12, 2013

If someone says it one more time I'm having Florina show up as a corpse. I'm not even kidding, I was pissed off with people doing that shit back in 2010, and I'm not dealing with it now in 2016.

Mr. Pool posted:

which is weird because in my GD playthrough I was surprised to find that Dedue survived after Dimitri got himself killed inexplicably and even returned to fight (and survive!) the final edelgard fight. If there was going to be one Blue Lion who didn't go down with the ship I would not have guessed Dedue

Someone has to get revenge.

Sydin
Oct 29, 2011

Another spring commute

Fumbles posted:

A lot of people hate on picking Blue Lions your first time through but I feel like it really boils down to whether you want the best Lord or the best House. Blue Lions have the tightest knit friends, the closest connections, and not a single one of them is an insufferable poo poo. Even Felix and his "while you slept I studied The Blade" mentality is super charming and sweet underneath everything and he calls Dimitri out on a lot of his worse tendencies. BL don't get stuck with a Hubert or a Lorenz.

I picked BL on my first run and so far it feels like the best introduction, since it immerses you in the primary conflict but leaves a lot of deeper lore questions unanswered. Now I'm playing GD which seems a lot more focused on lore than the central conflict. After I finish this one I'm doing BE Church to get the full picture, then BE Edel which I hear is pretty short and disjointed and kinda relies on you know what is going on.

jimmydalad
Sep 26, 2013

My face when others are unable to appreciate the :kazooieass:

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor
Is it worth staying in Advanced classes like Assassin or Bishop?

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

jimmydalad posted:

Is it worth staying in Advanced classes like Assassin or Bishop?

Bishops can transition pretty well to Gremory (or Holy Knight, if you want the movement) but I don't think Assassin really gets a lot from promoting to anything
Most of the advance classes are just fine as they are. My Petra performed admirably as an end game assassin

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


yeah if they don't have a clear upgrade option in master classes, the advanced is fine. assassin gives benefits you can't get from any master classes, and same for bishop if your unit is male.

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


The mobile casters aren't straight upgrades either. Sure they do have a faire and canto, but they don't get 2x uses, and in the case of holy knight, don't get +10 healing either.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


I would love to hang out with Hubert

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


Also while Hubert does make a powerful dark knight....he loses out on being fabulous. His outfit is no longer cool and he stops twirling around. A major downgrade.

TurnipFritter
Apr 21, 2010
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jimmydalad posted:

Is it worth staying in Advanced classes like Assassin or Bishop?

tbh bishop is fine for most actual healers. it's like you could go for gremory, but holy knight is largely a trap since you lose white magic uses x 2.

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013

The thing is Hubert while he's hyper focused on Edelgard, he does care about people in the house in his own way. He looks after them and his supports with them showcases it.

Also fucker revels in his evil reputation at times and it owns. I just wish the adjutants in general had inter house supports cause his supports in general are really fascinating and I would like an outside house perspective

rannum
Nov 3, 2012

Eimi posted:

Also while Hubert does make a powerful dark knight....he loses out on being fabulous. His outfit is no longer cool and he stops twirling around. A major downgrade.

They should have gone full stupid and made a third dark seal exclusive master class, Dark Sage, still male only

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


boredsatellite posted:

The thing is Hubert while he's hyper focused on Edelgard, he does care about people in the house in his own way. He looks after them and his supports with them showcases it.

Also fucker revels in his evil reputation at times and it owns. I just wish the adjutants in general had inter house supports cause his supports in general are really fascinating and I would like an outside house perspective

Being loving extra and acting like an evil vizier is how he dealt with the poo poo hand life dealt him. And yeah while a lot of his supports are just straight up "I will kill you if you gently caress Edelgard over" others are really sweet or funny. His relationship with Bernie is loving adorable to the point that I think he makes the best husband for her. He really cares for her and you know anyone so much thinks about hurting her is going to end up very, very dead.

boredsatellite
Dec 7, 2013

I ended up pairing off Hubert to Shamir and it kinda owned so I'm happy about it. They bounce of each other really well with the whole murder the gently caress out of assassins thing. But yeah his Bernie support is great as well

But yeah you see him talk about the life he might have in his first Edel support and its great

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


I was pretty upset that Hubert lost his sick cape in Dark Knight. It would have looked so good billowing off his horse.

Arkeus
Jul 21, 2013
For Assassins, the big problem is that the only master class with swordfair is mortal savant, and few assassins have good spell lists. If you aren't too bothered with losing sword fair, Falcon Knight is a plausible upgrade (or Wyvern Lord for males I guess).

Eimi posted:

The mobile casters aren't straight upgrades either. Sure they do have a faire and canto, but they don't get 2x uses, and in the case of holy knight, don't get +10 healing either.

They are really really good for dark mages though. Too bad those are mostly BE-restricted (Edelgard and Hubert), but Edelgard Dark Knight would be fairly drat good.

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Arkeus posted:

For Assassins, the big problem is that the only master class with swordfair is mortal savant, and few assassins have good spell lists. If you aren't too bothered with losing sword fair, Falcon Knight is a plausible upgrade (or Wyvern Lord for males I guess).


They are really really good for dark mages though. Too bad those are mostly BE-restricted (Edelgard and Hubert), but Edelgard Dark Knight would be fairly drat good.

Mortal Savant also loses 30%(!) SPD growth over Assassin, which is massive

Metis of the Chat Thread
Aug 1, 2014


Arkeus posted:

For Assassins, the big problem is that the only master class with swordfair is mortal savant, and few assassins have good spell lists. If you aren't too bothered with losing sword fair, Falcon Knight is a plausible upgrade (or Wyvern Lord for males I guess).


They are really really good for dark mages though. Too bad those are mostly BE-restricted (Edelgard and Hubert), but Edelgard Dark Knight would be fairly drat good.

I'm already planning edelgard dark knight for when I do BE-E again. I'll probably use church route training to get her up in the skills she needs then buy them at the start of the next one.

I love new game+ for letting me plan out wildly dumb ideas, like the bow knight Hanneman with magic bow+ I want to try.

jimmydalad
Sep 26, 2013

My face when others are unable to appreciate the :kazooieass:

AGDQ 2018 Awful Block Survivor
Pretty much all the BE girls are A+ characters with Dorothea, Petra and Bernadetta. They are all stellar characters and pretty kickass units too.

Kaubocks
Apr 13, 2011

the menus in this game are going to give me a loving brain aneurysm, it's like the controls for each one were decided by different people

Kaubocks
Apr 13, 2011

loving WHY does B discard items on the "send to convoy?" prompt

Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


jimmydalad posted:

Pretty much all the BE girls are A+ characters with Dorothea, Petra and Bernadetta. They are all stellar characters and pretty kickass units too.

All the boys are good too

ok maybe Caspar is just fine

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?

Andrast posted:

All the boys are good too

ok maybe Caspar is just fine

please dont troll

Eimi
Nov 23, 2013

I will never log offshut up.


Caspar as a character is amazing. Caspar as a unit....pray to the rng gods. But yeah the only character I don't fully like is Lorenz and he can have his moments. Usually when getting dunked on by the other, better characters, but still.

ChrisBTY
Mar 29, 2012

this glorious monument

My favorite Lorenz support is with Manuela because it barely has anything to do with noble/commoner blahblahblah.

indigi
Jul 20, 2004

how can we not talk about family
when family's all that we got?
Lorenz is almost as bad as a Blue Lions character

ThisIsACoolGuy
Nov 2, 2010

Shaped like a friend

I'm so worried about these golden deer morons. I'm at the start but every single level up is basically just HP and Charm and nothing else

They're all going "oh no we're going to be useless" and I can't disagree.

BlazetheInferno
Jun 6, 2015
Oh, I got a lot of two-stat levelups in the first few chapters, but just keep at it. Raphael in particular is going to be slow as molasses, but let him punch stuff, and it won't really matter.

And, well... let's just say Golden Deer has the best/earliest answer to the Death Knight if you get Lysithea's Reason skill up quickly.


(She and Hubert are the only ones to learn it; Hubert doesn't get it till A-rank, she gets it at B-rank)

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Andrast
Apr 21, 2010


Eimi posted:

Caspar as a character is amazing. Caspar as a unit....pray to the rng gods. But yeah the only character I don't fully like is Lorenz and he can have his moments. Usually when getting dunked on by the other, better characters, but still.

I'm just not a big fan of the Caspar archetype.

If you give Caspar death blow and otherwise go Brawler/War master it's impossible for him to not be great. This applies to every unit who goes that route.

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