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Clawtopsy posted:it is disgraceful we havent had a welfare jack 4* at halloween to take trick or treating Three important questions. What class should she be? What is she dressed up as for Halloween? How adorable will it be?
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Rorahusky posted:Three important questions. In order: Saber. Like Nursery Rhyme, in Jack's colours. Lethally so.
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Mini Ferg was a non entity for the overwhelming majority of Agartha. When his big moment came up, I just didn't care. Scheherazade is a bit one note, but I don't dislike her. Agartha was....there.
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personally, i love being performatively morally outraged by a fictional character being sexist, while insulting people with disabilities edit: also which of these is more likely 1) minase is a monstrous human being who deserves only death who infiltrated the fgo team with the express purpose of setting feminism in japan back 1000 years 2) he wrote a story and it didnt really come together Endorph fucked around with this message at 14:40 on Aug 22, 2019 |
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Aug 22, 2019 14:36
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You don't have to constantly defend Minase you know. Bad writers do exist in the world. FGO is demonstrably not always a 10/10 game that can do no wrong when it comes to story, character writing, or design. Just because someone doesn't like an aspect of a game you like, such as a writer or creative decision, doesn't mean they are making GBS threads on your tastes specifically and you must respond to defend this thing. Schez can be both a comedic character when written in the right situation and way while also being kind of bland and one note. Kuro can be both comedic and uncomfortable. And now to ruin my point: this is why nobody likes you loving anime people.
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Endorph posted:personally, i love being performatively morally outraged by a fictional character being sexist, while insulting people with disabilities So what else are you working on, Minase?
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You know, speaking as a game designer, this sort of thing is exactly why we don't talk that much. Unless we are, I guess, giving a talk.
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Gologle posted:You don't have to constantly defend Minase you know. Bad writers do exist in the world. FGO is demonstrably not always a 10/10 game that can do no wrong when it comes to story, character writing, or design. Just because someone doesn't like an aspect of a game you like, such as a writer or creative decision, doesn't mean they are making GBS threads on your tastes specifically and you must respond to defend this thing. Schez can be both a comedic character when written in the right situation and way while also being kind of bland and one note. Kuro can be both comedic and uncomfortable. And now to ruin my point: this is why nobody likes you loving anime people. idk what you're reading into my post but whatever it is, it wasn't my intent at all. Bogart posted:So what else are you working on, Minase? Endorph fucked around with this message at 15:05 on Aug 22, 2019 |
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Omobono posted:In order: 
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Gologle posted:You don't have to constantly defend Minase you know. Bad writers do exist in the world. FGO is demonstrably not always a 10/10 game that can do no wrong when it comes to story, character writing, or design. Just because someone doesn't like an aspect of a game you like, such as a writer or creative decision, doesn't mean they are making GBS threads on your tastes specifically and you must respond to defend this thing. Schez can be both a comedic character when written in the right situation and way while also being kind of bland and one note. Kuro can be both comedic and uncomfortable. And now to ruin my point: this is why nobody likes you loving anime people. Quote the loving anime person
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Aug 22, 2019 15:13
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Keikenchi should be given a Singularity/Lostbelt to write.
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Aug 22, 2019 15:50
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Yoko Taro Lostbelt.
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the melty blood manga is nothing but insane loredumps that are almost incomprehensible and unreadable, and riesbyfe and sion making out give that guy a lostbelt
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Give *spins roulette* Satoshi Mizukami a lostbelt
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MonsieurChoc posted:Yoko Taro Lostbelt. God no I love  's writing but as its own thing. I emphatically do not want him anywhere in the Nasuverse, it's already bleak enough as it is.Also you know that finishing a Yoko Taro lostbelt would involve burning a random GSSR or three.
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"Just a bunch of morons addicted to gambling, I see." Jeanne, you can't just tell me the truth like that! It's bad for my heart!
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dogsicle posted:Chloe = Blackbeard Chloe IMO is worse due to her constant physical assaults and because Blackbeard's interlude bribed me w/ a bunch of forbidden pages. Thinking about it, anytime the MC brings Chloe and Blackbeard, they should just be handcuffed to Nightingale the whole time and she can swing them around to attack.
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I heard Blackbeard (or his writing) chilled out a little by Summer 3?
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Normies explode
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dogsicle posted:Chloe = Blackbeard Blackbeard usually fails, everyone hates him, and he usually ends up beaten up or dead. Outside of his main story appearances, where he actually had a little depth (not very much, but he wasn't completely a one-note character), his scene appearances mostly have him taking the role of a punching bag, his absolutely awful personality serving largely to make it impossible to feel pity or sympathy for him in order to prep the reader for whatever painful physical comedy he ends up in the receiving end of. He's a creepy shitbag, but he never gets his hands on anyone and you're clearly supposed to be cheering for him to fail.
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Endorph posted:personally, i love being performatively morally outraged by a fictional character being sexist, while insulting people with disabilities That sounds dangerously close to claiming people being upset at something are just virtue signaling. Please don't. Endorph posted:1) minase is a monstrous human being who deserves only death who infiltrated the fgo team with the express purpose of setting feminism in japan back 1000 years I'm often hyperbolic, and maybe I missed this, but I'm pretty sure no one is saying he's an awful human being... just a bad writer. Saying his story just "didn't come together" is quite the understatement. London immediately comes to mind as an example of something that was just a little off here and there, with excellent characters that didn't get very interesting interactions and had uneven development, a great theme and concept marred by glacial pacing, and a strong ending point that was extended for a few more chapters, including cameos that felt out of place. I'm sure people are willing to overlook a lot of its faults because it came in the pre-Camelot days, and compared to something like Septem, it reads like a masterpiece. I loved Scheherazade in the summer event, but I know that's in large part because it's easier to turn her thanatophobia into a punchline than actually address it in a way that doesn't make her come off as one-dimensional. I hear her upcoming interlude addresses this, and I'm excited for it, because I relate to her character quite a bit.
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lovely jokes that got papered over here aside, I like Agartha more than London, since while everything prior to El Dorado is pretty rote, mechanical plotting, at least it's a series of things happening versus standing around in an office and getting told to patrol a dozen times.
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Sophism posted:That sounds dangerously close to claiming people being upset at something are just virtue signaling. Please don't.
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Endorph posted:i was talking about one specific guy, not everyone with a complaint about agartha or that scene Gotcha. All good!
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I feel like I'm not explaining myself well here so I'll elaborate. My point was never 'Agartha is good' or 'people complaining about it are morons.' There are legitimate reasons to both dislike it strongly and even have been hurt by it being in a game you like. Those are both valid responses. But FGO is a collaborative effort. Obviously each story chapter has the quirks of their own writer in it, but the game still has actual editors, Nasu is still the guy who oversees everything (even if he took a backseat for EoR, there's no way he didn't at least read Agartha before it went out), Minase was given the ability to work on the game and also Prism Ilya because he had an established relationship with Nasu and the game's other writers, and they trusted him. Agartha's flaws are not the result of one individual, or even unique to it. Other parts of the story and other Type Moon properties make weird sex jokes, weird claims about gender, and sometimes jokes that punch down. Focusing on Minase as a rogue individual actor papers over the other places those flaws appear, the fact that Agartha's entire everything was the result of multiple individuals making mistakes and signing off on it, and the ways in which FGO has at least mostly managed to duck weird jokes about Da Vinci/Astolfo since. That's all I'm saying here. If these things are awful, then it's important to focus on how awful they are whenever they appear, and who allowed them to exist, not just chalk it up to one guy who coincidentally only writes two to three characters, one story chapter, and one event. That's just using some random guy as a sewer drain for criticism, and regardless of Minase's flaws as a writer, I don't think he was the guy inserting Da Vinci jokes into the first like five lines of the game, or having Medea talk about the happiness of a woman being cooking/cleaning. I don't think Fate is some megasexist thing, either, I think it's usually fairly good about these things, but it has weird edges all over, not just one random spike in one chapter of FGO. Endorph fucked around with this message at 21:25 on Aug 22, 2019 |
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I'm glad we haven't changed the Type-Moon thread title over on ADTRW from "The Worst Writing and Most Heinous Misogny"
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I'm never gonna change it, those reviews are exemplary pieces in ignorance
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Endorph posted:grape flavored cocaine It's seasoning and Servants put it on their food and you can't convince me otherwise. 
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Would non magic cocaine even have an effect on Servants?
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Crasical posted:It's seasoning and Servants put it on their food and you can't convince me otherwise. I sure as hell would not eat or drink anything provided to me by Professor P.
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I sure as hell would not eat or drink anything provided to me by Professor P. He saved us from kiyohime lancer's antics one time (ignore the part where he was also the one that supplied it)
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Galaga Galaxian posted:I sure as hell would not eat or drink anything provided to me by Professor P. It seems that Hector shares your opinion.
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I just noticed that Fou is wearing a juanty little sailor outfit in that pic, and now I want that as an alt outfit somehow.
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Gologle posted:Would non magic cocaine even have an effect on Servants? Alcohol does, so why not.
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Roger Explosion posted:I just noticed that Fou is wearing a juanty little sailor outfit in that pic, and now I want that as an alt outfit somehow. 
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Sophism posted:That sounds dangerously close to claiming people being upset at something are just virtue signaling. Please don't. extremely glossing over roger explosion's awful post i see
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Gologle posted:Would non magic cocaine even have an effect on Servants? Since it is part of his 'legend' (the 7 percent solution), then standard cocaine should do. He was also a smoker, hence the pipe, and a social drinker. This article has a pretty good rundown, even when Watson helps wean him off the habit in later works. Presumably this Holmes is between 'Study in Scarlet' and later works, in his 'prime'. I imagine that alcohol works the same way for servants, as alcohol in myths tends to be a big part in those myths. From drunken slaughter to tomfoolery while plastered, myth abounds with drink both friendly and hostile. So, when do we get Alcohol as a servant?
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She's called Shuten Douji
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