Rule The Waves 2: Rule Harder.

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Infidelicious: Apr 9, 2013

vyelkin posted:

I'm sorry but I will vote against the "Ckona" on principle because of that abomination of a transliteration

Скопа in Cyrillic sure, but for transliteration that's Skopa, which is a fine name for a ship imo for the love of god and the tsar please change the name

FTFY

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vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Infidelicious posted:

FTFY

Thanks friend, Skopa is a cool name

# ? Aug 21, 2019 01:08

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

vyelkin posted:

Thanks friend, Skopa is a cool name

Not as cool a name as Beagle. :colbert:

# ? Aug 21, 2019 02:35

Magni: Apr 29, 2009

habeasdorkus posted:

btw, this is the dreadnought we can currently build in our home yard:

That's not a dreadnought, that is some morbidly obese pre-dread crime against naval engineering. :colbert:

# ? Aug 21, 2019 05:15

Mister Bates: Aug 4, 2010

eight 16-inch rifles and eight twelve-inch rifles on the same ship would be hilarious and I want to see this hypothetical ship in action now

it would be way the hell better with a director on the secondary battery, but unfortunately we don't have secondary fire control technology yet.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 05:29

sum: Nov 15, 2010

The correct roleplay option is a battleship with the highest possible torpedo protection, a bunch of torpedo tubes and a gazillion secondary and tertiary guns

# ? Aug 21, 2019 06:10

Grey Hunter: Oct 17, 2007; Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

Boksi posted:

Fever without any other symptoms? Yeah, I've had that, it sucks. Anyway, here's a fleet scout cruiser!

The Proyekt 33915 design focuses on achieving its goal in the cheapest possible way. By keeping the design small, short-ranged and relatively slow(though not slower than the rest of the fleet), we've managed to cut costs down to the point where the projected budget of 85M should suffice for a flight of six vessels! At the same time, it's quite capable of performing its role. It can outgun destroyers with a broadside of six 6" guns and a modest armor belt to protect it from return fire, while any larger vessels are threatened by its six torpedo broadside. Finally, it also has the equipment for carrying and using a floatplane, which significantly enhances its scouting capability.

habeasdorkus posted:

_{(Prince Valeryan Igorovich Urodlivyy, founding member of the Русские созданы для борьбы и победы Salon, at a historical costume ball in St. Petersburg, circa 1899)}

My dearest cousin and eternally victorious Emperor,

It was with great interest that I watched the progress of the Fleet Cruiser and Commerce Raiding Omnibus through the State Council. The salon that I host had a number of ideas, and I've picked two to forward to both the admiral and your Majesty that meet requirements. I hope that they find your favor, and look forward to seeing you in St. Petersburg when next your namesake returns to port after crushing the Germans further.

Fyodorovich-class Fleet Cruiser

Ship Design

The Fyodorovich is designed to fulfill a desperate need in our current fleet, that of a screen for the main battle line. Thanks to recent advances in oil fired engines, and the expansion of wells in the caucuses, we now have both technology and supply to equip ourselves with the most modern designs. The Fyodorovich makes 25 knots, allowing it to screen ahead of our battle line, or to move to intercept torpedo boats before they can threaten. Their armament should be enough to match any fellow light cruiser and any number of destroyers. The catch is that, like all light cruisers, it cannot stand up to a firefight with more moderns armored cruisers and especially not to capital ships. Still, it provides greater capabilities than anything short of our Grom-class heavy cruisers, and at 40% the cost of one of those behemoths.

Gonchaya-Class Commerce Raider

Ship Design

Like her big brother, the Gonchaya also makes use of the superlative new oil burning turbines, and similarly makes an impressive 25 knots. She has the range to be successful in any theater. Her armament can shred merchant marine and escorts alike, while her speed will keep her safe from anything that can threaten her. And at just under 18.6m rubles per hull we can afford nine of them, each of which will be deadlier to enemy shipping than our current Falconyet cruisers at a full 8.9m rubles less per ship!

All hail Russia! All hail the undefeated Tsar Nikolai II!

Forever loyally yours,
Koyla

PS: For your ease, cuz, I have included the following table that the bean-counters can use in determining their costs:

Fleet Cruisers: x3 at ₽24.5m per hull, total cost ₽75.5m including design study. 24 months to build all three in one flight at a cost of ₽3m/month.
Commerce Raiders: x9 at ₽18.6m per hull, total cost ₽169m including design study. 48 months to build all nine in two flights at a cost of ₽3.1m/month (flight one) and ₽3.9m/month (flight two)
Submarine Force: x10 at ₽3.6m per bote, total cost ₽20m total, in flights of five at roughly ₽1000/month per flight. Done in 36 months.
Total Cost: ₽264.5m outlay, ₽7.1m/month for the first 24 months, then ₽4.9m for another 24 months.

Infidelicious posted:

That is really impressive cost cutting, and while quantity has a quality all it's own; I feel 1 knot of closing over our 23 knot CA's and B's is insufficient to reposition within a formation, and it will be incapable of escaping if it is forced into a cruiser battle without the rest of the fleet.

at LOLZ shipwrights we have pored over the lessons learned over the past years battles, and combined cutting edge technologies to give the Russian Navy a definitive advantage in future conflicts.

Our Candidate for the Fleet Scout Cruiser is The Skopa (Osprey)

The Skopa is a swift and deadly predator like it's namesake.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/n4j9dunqhlqe63n/Skopa.30d?dl=0 Ship file
Ignore name in ship builder, it's fixed.
(Thanks for fixing transliteration, I used wrong thing that only did Cyrillic and couldn't be hosed to type Cyrillic out or C/P it a bunch)

SPEED: At a blistering 27 knots; The Skopa is fast enough to maintain station, investigate spotting reports, or change position within a formation; even if the battlegroup is steaming at a full 23 knots. Her Oil fired powerplant does not require the vessel to slow down to clean grates, or for crew members to manually stoke the boilers.

FIREPOWER: She is equipped with four 203mm Naval Rifles in two twin turrets, as well as a unique secondary arrangement that allows her to bring 6 155mm guns to bear on either side, with 11 guns total. She also brings two massive 12 torpedo broadsides to bear in a close range fight; enough torpedoes to ensure the swift destruction of any vessels spotted at short range, in the fog or darkness.

SURVIVABILITY: She maintains full splinter protection to the entirety of her belt, and main turrets; as well as partial splinter protection on the deck. She also has a revolutionary torpedo defense system, capable of mitigating the impact and reducing the likelihood of a total loss while engaging other torpedo armed vessels.

AERIAL CAPABILITY: She carries two seaplanes for long range scouting purposes.

All this new technology comes at a cost, however... and that cost is money.

She costs just under 40m, and would be built with her sister ship for just under 80m.

However, the idea of Twin Eagles, ruling the seas is aspirational and quite fitting for the future of the Russian Navy.

2 vessels, that cost 1578 per month each / 3156 per month total for 24 months. Outlay is 75,744,000

Falconet II REDACTED

While we initially planned on updating the last winner of the raider design contest, the Falconet, we have since decided that another offering was too similar and have instead proposed this radical departure from doctrine.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/dtwpeibveg8oleq/Gorshok%20Meda.30d?dl=0

The Gorshok Meda (Honeypot) is designed to destroy counter raiding forces, and force the enemy to commit their Capital Ships to protecting trade routes instead of engaging our main fleet; this will enable us to defeat our enemies in detail.

Heavy Armarment, Reliability and Range with enough speed to outrun Battleships and keep the distance open for an extended period against fast battlecruisers.

Voting time!

# ? Aug 21, 2019 10:13

Splode: Jun 18, 2013; put some clothes on you little freak

I'm voting for the proyect 33195

# ? Aug 21, 2019 11:00

simplefish: Mar 28, 2011; So long, and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ gallbladdΣrs!

Grey, as it's a new page and we've moved towards this new role-based request system, in future could you also quote the purpose/role we're choosing these ships for again?

I'll pop and get it for this one

# ? Aug 21, 2019 11:06

simplefish: Mar 28, 2011; So long, and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ gallbladdΣrs!

Infidelicious posted:

Fleet Cruiser and Commerce Raiding Omnibus

This act calls for the construction of two new classes of cruisers

The First:

New cruisers designed for fleet scouting and screening duties; ideally armed with new above water torpedo technology. To be built immediately to free up the Vorobey and Falconyet classes for their intended purpose of commerce raiding.

Flight will consist of a minimum of 2 hulls and an cost per unit will not exceed 40m (85m total outlay to allow wiggle room) this does not include development costs.

Additionally it calls for the design and procurement of 160m worth of commerce raiding cruisers and ~20m worth of submarines to be built over the course of the next 4 years 160m figure does not include development costs.

Next Generation Cruiser Design will ideally be cost effective, or capable of evading or destroying enemy counter raiders; Reliable Engines are highly advised to reduce attrition from mechanical failure; and Medium Range is the minimum since short range ships cannot act as raiders.

After the construction of each flight and before the production of the next flight of cruisers, Chief of Navy will check to see if weight savings can be used to increase effectiveness of design, speed being priority.

Cost Analysis of FCCRO:

20-21m of Submarines
80-85m of Fleet Screen / Scout Cruisers
160-165m of Commerce Raiders

Projected total cost for this act is 260-271m over the next 4 years.

Recommendations for logistics / bookkeeping:

Fleet Scouts to be built as soon as design is approved. ~4k per month / 20 months

Raiding Cruisers to be built in flights not to exceed 4k per month, for as long as it takes to get the production run completed.

5 submarines at a time until the 20m outlay is met ~500-1k per month for 2-4 years

Monthly cost is hard to judge but should not exceed 9k for the first 20 months; dropping to 4.5 or less after the scouts are constructed.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 11:11

simplefish: Mar 28, 2011; So long, and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ gallbladdΣrs!

FLEET SCOUT
Proyekj 33961 or whatever it is

I like the fact that we will get 6 of them so it will hurt less when one is inevitably torpedoed in a popup with nothing to be done about it.

RAIDER
~~So by my reading the only commerce raider is the Goonchaya, I'm voting for that I suppose~~

Oh wait, there's something beyond "redacted because it was too similar", and in a bizzare twist it isn't the ship that was redacted because it was too similar.

It was the Gorshok Meda, but I'm still voting for Goonchaya because it has more sensible guns for its unarmoured prey, and we can buy more of them.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 12:05

Servetus: Apr 1, 2010

Fyodorevich and Goonchaya

# ? Aug 21, 2019 15:15

King Hong Kong: Nov 6, 2009; For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

Skopa and Gorshok Meda

# ? Aug 21, 2019 15:22

professor_curly: Mar 4, 2016; There he is!

Skopa

# ? Aug 21, 2019 15:59

Boksi: Jan 11, 2016

I just want to point out that the other two fleet scout designs are both protected cruisers, which is in my opinion awful because eight inch guns do not offset the decrease in protection caused by the awful armor layout. The superstructure is gonna get shot to poo poo by any ol' popgun.

The red bits are the armor, grey bits are coal bunkers for added protection EXCEPT OIL FIRED SHIPS DON'T HAVE THOSE.

Also I stupidly thought the raiding cruisers were supposed to be built later, so I didn't submit a design for that :downs:

Anyway, I can't in good conscience vote for any ship but the Proyekt, and I guess the Gonchaya which is at least cheap and not expected to fight in fleet battles.

# ? Aug 21, 2019 16:15

Electric Wrigglies: Feb 6, 2015

Proyekt
Gonchaya

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:15

Infidelicious: Apr 9, 2013

Boksi posted:

I just want to point out that the other two fleet scout designs are both protected cruisers, which is in my opinion awful because eight inch guns do not offset the decrease in protection caused by the awful armor layout. The superstructure is gonna get shot to poo poo by any ol' popgun.

The red bits are the armor, grey bits are coal bunkers for added protection EXCEPT OIL FIRED SHIPS DON'T HAVE THOSE.

Also I stupidly thought the raiding cruisers were supposed to be built later, so I didn't submit a design for that

Anyway, I can't in good conscience vote for any ship but the Proyekt, and I guess the Gonchaya which is at least cheap and not expected to fight in fleet battles.

The light cruiser armor scheme design is AoN without AoN tech bonus and will be penetrated and take structure and flotation damage and corresponding reductions in speed / begin flooding from any shell hit that isn't the belt.

Escorts are going to be on AF, and will get pulled into cruiser fights, often by themselves.

24 knots is insufficient to escape most current,
much less near future threats in the event it is drawn into a battle.

Most importantly it cannot escort the Tsars Yacht.

Fyodorovich

GONCHA

Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 19:15 on Aug 21, 2019

# ? Aug 21, 2019 18:34

Kenlon: Jun 27, 2003; Digitus Impudicus

Proyekt
Gonchaya

The heavier fleet cruiser would be nice, but we need hulls. And those 'raider' BCs are grotesque. :colbert:

# ? Aug 21, 2019 20:27

terrenblade: Oct 29, 2012

While I would like to vote for the Skopa, it has too many torpedo mounts and not enough guns. We need ships with guns to kill destroyers.

Fyodorovich, Gonchaya

also, why not goonchaya? while it's not russian, google says it's 'confused' in Bangla

# ? Aug 21, 2019 21:25

Infidelicious: Apr 9, 2013

terrenblade posted:

While I would like to vote for the Skopa, it has too many torpedo mounts and not enough guns. We need ships with guns to kill destroyers.

A.) Above water Torpedo mounts would have turned both of our losses in the past year into resounding victories; as the Falconyet acting as a fleet screen / scout was perfectly positioned to sink opposing Battleships in both engagements, had she been equipped with above water torpedoes.

B.) 6" shells are likely to disable or sink newer, larger 1000T+ DD's in a single hit regardless of location, and can reliably damage other cruisers whereas 4" can not.

C.) Using Cruisers to effectively screen against DD's is going to get harder and harder as gunnery accuracy and range improves; we should just stop building Battleships that are incapable of defending themselves against Destroyers.

18-24 5/6" guns with 2" of armor and 24 3-4" guns is less than 1000T and, all things considered is a trivial amount of weight in comparison to armor, engine or even the shells and powder of the primary cannon... this will also become more important as the Aerial threat becomes more pronounced.

Launching a series of light cruisers that will be AF, and make 24/25 knots in TYOOL, 1917 is a great way to spend 80m on Artificial Reefs to restore the ecology of the Baltic after the next war.

Infidelicious fucked around with this message at 00:00 on Aug 22, 2019

# ? Aug 21, 2019 23:53

Boksi: Jan 11, 2016

Infidelicious posted:

The light cruiser armor scheme design is AoN without AoN tech bonus and will be penetrated and take structure and flotation damage and corresponding reductions in speed / begin flooding from any shell hit that isn't the belt.

Okay, I'll admit fault there, the whole design was influenced by one of my fairly successful fleet cruisers in an Italy game but those were made in the thirties so I had AoN armor researched and I didn't think to add a little extended belt. At least when they're so cheap losing one won't sting too much!

# ? Aug 22, 2019 01:33

Grey Hunter: Oct 17, 2007; Hero of the soviet union.
Accidental destroyer of planets

January 1916

The new ships are sent to the design board. � The first five submarines are laid down.

A white peace is agreed!

February 1916

Four more destroyers are commissioned.

I place the order for the light cruisers � but with the post war budget cut, things may be tight for a while.

The French and Austrians have fighters. We may be able to build these soon, as BUORD choses.

You get to pick two focuses from the following list. I place an order for a fighter based off Manoeuvrability and speed off BUORDS requests.

March 1916

We spar with the French some more.

France scraps a 1901 Battleship.

April 1916

The destroyers come out in dribs and drabs.

I see an opportunity to take more land, and we now control North Korea.

Another hull breakthrough is ours. I am forced to halt construction on the light crusiers in favor of finishing the Ryska Sj�n.

May 1916

Better armour is ours, as are the new docks.

June 1916

We have a dreadnought once more!

Ah well, you can't be luck all the time!

The boffins say we can now drop bombs from planes! How original!

July 1916

There have been some construction errors in our new seaplane carrier.

More money, bombing airships and a new fighter.

August 1916

Another good month for breakthroughs.

At least others are having finical difficulties.

September 1916

At least others are having finical difficulties.

October 1916

It's looking like we may soon be at war with France.

I have the spare cash to start putting directors into our ships.

December 1916

Nothing of interest happens for the next two months, and it is back to you.

Tensions with France are high.

Our finances are steady, but nearly fully committed.

The fleet in being.

The fleet in waiting.

The silent service.

And research.

# ? Aug 22, 2019 13:10

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

These are the currently in effect Laws of the Russian Empire:

Concord of the Admiralty and Tsar, 1899

Grey Hunter posted:

"The research budget shall be set to 12%.
We shall run low levels of intelligence on all nations."
Priority 1) Budget
Priority 2) Prestige

December 1901 Admiralty Session

Infidelicious posted:

No Ship Left Behind Act
"All new construction must meet or exceed the speeds listed unless otherwise overridden in individual construction mandate legislation where line speed is considered secondary priority EX: design specifically calling for a say a minesweeper or coastal defense battleship is exempted from this bill.

B/BB/CA/CL 23 knots BC 25 knots DD 27 knots

once sufficient tonnage meets these speeds all efforts will be made to place older ships incapable of meeting these requirements either in reserve status or in the zone less likely to see combat, at Greys discretion."

vyelkin posted:

Bring Your Own Battleship Act
"This act proposes that we immediately spend money to expand the size of our docks and shipyards, to allow for the future construction of larger vessels. And that once these new docks are completed, we continue expanding our docks and shipyards until told otherwise. These new 600-ton destroyers have made it clear that the future of naval warfare is larger vessels, and we must be prepared for that future."

December 1905 Admiralty Session

Zip! posted:

PUT YOUR TOYS AWAY Act
"Upon the cessation of all/any hostilities moving forward for future conflicts, our dearest Commander in Chef will automatically either mothball or put into a reserve a portion of the fleet that he deems appropriate to allow us to maximize cost savings for further development of the fleet during times of peace unless explicitly directed by our assembled privy Council."

- As Amended regarding the Royal Yacht

December 1906 Admiralty Session

wedgekree posted:

Hail Germania Act
"Positive relations should be pursued with the German Empire. We have had several beneficial deals with them and our relationship has improved. We should push for the reestablishment of the Dual Emperor's Leauge and align ourselves with them. If possible, we should try to establish an alliance with them."

December 1907 Admiralty Session

Infidelicious posted:

"Stop the Undersea Fetishists Act"
"Once 25 Submarines are constructed, No new submarine shall be constructed during times of peace; while at war submarines can be built at the discretion of the Chief of the Navy up to an overall construction cost of 1600 /month; and any Submarine that began construction during wartime can be finished or scrapped at the end of hostilities at the discretion of the Chief of the Navy (Grey)."

March 1909 Special Admiralty Session

Saros posted:

Tsushima Time act
"C) After the war is finished it establishes new priorities for the Far East fleet. It is to consist of the oldest 40% of the destroyers and line of battle ships (B/BB) and they are to be kept in mothball status unless we are at war or a war is likely in Northern Europe when they can be re-deployed as the Admiral sees fit."

December 1909 Admiralty Session

Gervasius posted:

Verni Paradox Act

"There must always be one destroyer named Verni in service at all times. In case Verniis sunk in combat, next DD off slipways will also bear the name Verni."

simplefish posted:

Flying The Flag Act
"- The Tsar's Yacht must be kept in the current theatre when at war - it's too imposing and modern not leverage and apparently scares the Japanese witless
- it must not run away like a coward when it is in battle, especially when it has more speed and longer range guns than its quarry
- it must not do stupid semi-suicidal attack runs for "elan" or other silly reasons
- basically treat it like a normal ship
- BUT our other ships, especially destroyers, must ensure our flag keeps flying - while damaging the enemy is still clearly their mission, the moment the Tsar's yacht is at risk they must hurry to help it (if close enough to actually affect things)"

December 1910 Admiralty Session

Gay Hitler posted:

Update ship operating manuals Act

"All ships less than 30 years old that have not been rebuilt in the last 10 years and are marked as outdated must be rebuilt without any changes except latest fire control if a better version is available and possibly maxing out AA positions if free tonnage is available. This generally does not take more than 4 months and the cost is usually very low.

This act does NOT involve any changes to turrets, machinery, ammo storage, speed, or armor.

Tertiary turrets are to be removed if new fire control puts the ship over its tonnage limits."

wedgekree posted:

Research and Rearm

"If possible more money should be put into spying and countries ahead of us in tech should be prioritized for stealing.

Next, any/all nations that we are not hostile with should be approached with research treaties, or if they approach us should be agreed to. This only goes for nations that we do not intend to be hostile within in the next few years."

Neophyte posted:

A (Single) Potato in Every Pot
1) When a windfall or other similar event occurs that allows it, choose to invest in our economy or railroads (once)
2) On the next possible choice, implement investment in social programs (once)
3) On the next possible choice, choose investing in the economy or railroads (once and for all)

So only three choices in total in the future"

May 1914 Special Admiralty Session

Epicurius posted:

Tsar's Holiday Act

"Whereas:

The health and well being of the Tsar are vital to the well being of the country

As God Himself has annointed our most Holy Tsar and commanded us to obey him, and that it is his responsibility and his alone to command the Empire, it's not too much to ask that he be given someplace to sip a mojito while relaxing on the beach every now and then.

The other nations of the world got the good places while we were busy colonizing Siberia, a desolate wasteland that's only good for dumping political prisoners in and where the skiing isn't even that good.

Therefore:

The government shall, in peace negotiations with other countries and at other times, make it its primary goal to acquire overseas colonies."

Servetus posted:

Anarchy for thee, but not for me.
"In past wars we have been approached by anarchists and other rabble-rousers looking to stir up trouble among our enemies. While I share the Admiralty's distaste for these scum, I think that with the level of tension in Europe and the present conflict with Germany we must change tactics:

While we are in a state of war we should give support to anarchists or any other rebel group looking to stir up trouble among our enemies. This Act will remain in effect until 1920."

December 1914 Admiralty Session

Mister Bates posted:

The Fleet Air Arm Act
"In order to expedite the process of equipping our fledgling air wings with the best and most modern technology, BuOrd shall have the authority to unilaterally request proposals for new aircraft models from domestic aircraft production firms, no more than once per year per aircraft role. BuOrd shall have the authority to prioritize which qualities shall be preferred when selecting from available prototypes, out of the following: Speed, Maneuverability, Range, Bomb Load, Firepower, Toughness, Reliability. They shall also be permitted to establish a naming scheme for aircraft models and name them as they see fit.

The exact composition of air squadrons stationed at land bases or aboard future aircraft-carrying warships shall be determined by the Fleet Admiral except where overridden by a piece of legislation."

Infidelicious posted:

Anti Kleptocracy and Creative Latitude Act
"Unfortunately we have seen a number of design requirements that clearly favor certain members of this distinguished boards families, design bureaus and investment interests;

Such as the recent demands for an 18" armed battleships built in a foreign yard, or this new perfidious 'Up-gun' act that is clearly designed to line the pockets of Big 128mm.

Tying all future destroyer designs to guns that are produced in a single factory is an obvious attempt to enrich a select few individuals, and I call for all members of this prestigious body to reject this bald faced corruption and cronyism.

To fight this corruptive influence, and to bring back the spirit of innovation this act moves to make the following change to the procurement process:

New Requirements for a Vessel must be descriptive rather than prescriptive.

When calling for new construction you must state what you want the vessel to accomplish, rather than what you, the lawmaker have decided is a laundry list of requirements for the role.

The only Requirement that can be directly stated is overall cost of production run.

EX: Illegal act: This act calls for the Construction of a flight of three 8000 Ton Protected cruisers with 5 inches of belt armor, and nine 155mm cannon.

EX: legal act: This act calls for the Construction of flight of at least two cruisers, designed to engage other ships of similar size and fast enough run down smaller vessels, ideally this vessel is immune to guns to it's own caliber to at least 10KY, and the overall production cost for this flight cannot exceed 80m."

December 1915 Admiralty Session

Xarn posted:

Risk the Yacht Promulgation

"the Tsar wants real battle."

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Aug 22, 2019

# ? Aug 22, 2019 13:19

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Also, I made an error in the cost of the new submarine calculations- if we're spending ~20m on them, we can afford to build only that one flight of five.

# ? Aug 22, 2019 13:21

simplefish: Mar 28, 2011; So long, and thanks for all the ~~fish~~ gallbladdΣrs!

Proposal:
"Freddy, my French friend, fries frogs on Fridays"
- Place all intel on France: set it to High and all other nations at the lowest possible
- This to remain unaltered until either a) another nation is more tense than France or b) we conclude a war with France.
- In either case, a vote will then be triggered to set new intel priorities

# ? Aug 22, 2019 13:35

Dance Officer: May 4, 2017; It would be awesome if we could dance!

I once again propose the Naval modernization act

All currently old(obsolete?) vessels must be sent to the yard for maintenance and refit, or be scrapped.

# ? Aug 22, 2019 13:41

vyelkin: Jan 2, 2011

Austerity in the Dreadnought Age Act:

Scrap the pre-dreadnought battleships Evstafi and Imperator Pavel I. Do not undertake new reconstructions of any other pre-dreadnoughts, with the eventual goal of scrapping all of them and replacing them with modern dreadnoughts.

Dreadnoughts are not even the future, they are the present. Maintaining pre-dreadnoughts is nothing more than a drain on our national resources, and the ships themselves are easy prey for our enemies' modern fleets and future graveyards for thousands of our sailors.

# ? Aug 22, 2019 13:44

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

Dance Officer posted:

I once again propose the Naval modernization act

All currently old(obsolete?) vessels must be sent to the yard for maintenance and refit, or be scrapped.

I need a definition on this, what does "old" mean? Do you mean their regular maintenance schedule? E: As pointed out, we already have a part of this in effect, per the Updated Ship Manuals Act.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 14:30 on Aug 22, 2019

# ? Aug 22, 2019 14:10

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

vyelkin posted:

Austerity in the Dreadnought Age Act:

Scrap the pre-dreadnought battleships Evstafi and Imperator Pavel I. Do not undertake new reconstructions of any other pre-dreadnoughts, with the eventual goal of scrapping all of them and replacing them with modern dreadnoughts.

Dreadnoughts are not even the future, they are the present. Maintaining pre-dreadnoughts is nothing more than a drain on our national resources, and the ships themselves are easy prey for our enemies' modern fleets and future graveyards for thousands of our sailors.

Seconded.

# ? Aug 22, 2019 14:10

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

simplefish posted:

Proposal:
"Freddy, my French friend, fries frogs on Fridays"
- Place all intel on France: set it to High and all other nations at the lowest possible
- This to remain unaltered until either a) another nation is more tense than France or b) we conclude a war with France.
- In either case, a vote will then be triggered to set new intel priorities

Seconded - this would override some of the Research & Rearm Act as pertains to spying on higher tech nations:

# ? Aug 22, 2019 14:11

Gay Hitler: Dec 11, 2006; I'm gay as heil!

The update ship manuals act must be enforced

# ? Aug 22, 2019 14:12

Boksi: Jan 11, 2016

It might be a good idea to give the lead ship of the Proyekt cruisers a proper name and not just a placeholder design name.

Renaming Act of 1917
The cruiser currently known as 'Proyekt 33915' is to be renamed as Katastrofa. This is a good and auspicious name.

# ? Aug 22, 2019 14:59

Danann: Aug 4, 2013

Boksi posted:

It might be a good idea to give the lead ship of the Proyekt cruisers a proper name and not just a placeholder design name.

Renaming Act of 1917
The cruiser currently known as 'Proyekt 33915' is to be renamed as Katastrofa. This is a good and auspicious name.

Seconded

# ? Aug 22, 2019 15:29

Epicurius: Apr 10, 2010; College Slice

Given the speed at which our ships get sunk, isn't naming them a waste of time?

# ? Aug 22, 2019 15:37

Servetus: Apr 1, 2010

Epicurius posted:

Given the speed at which our ships get sunk, isn't naming them a waste of time?

If we don't name them, we can't shout their names as calls for revenge.

I propose The Tsar's East Asian Piracy Vacation.

We argued during the last war about whether to keep the Tsar's yacht in combat operations; weighing the morale benefit of the Tsar leading his men with the threat to his personage. I propose that in the event of war with France the Tsar's yacht should be stationed on our Esat Asian coast and designated as a commerce raider. This will give the Tsar the opportunity to grace our newly acquired colonies with his August presence and lead our raiders in the fight, without being too close to anyone who could shoot back.

Servetus fucked around with this message at 16:26 on Aug 22, 2019

# ? Aug 22, 2019 16:24

Dance Officer: May 4, 2017; It would be awesome if we could dance!

habeasdorkus posted:

I need a definition on this, what does "old" mean? Do you mean their regular maintenance schedule? E: As pointed out, we already have a part of this in effect, per the Updated Ship Manuals Act.

Ships with (O) added to their name are obsolete/outdated, and cost more to maintain. If we have a law governing it, we sure as poo poo have some ships with an (O) right now.

# ? Aug 22, 2019 17:11

habeasdorkus: Nov 3, 2013; Royalty is a continuous shitposting motion.

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Friends, Countrymen, and Loyal Subjects of our most Imperious Tsar Nikolai II Veliky,

It has been an astonishing 15 years since the State Council set about to organize our naval affairs. In that time we have seen a panoply of Orders, Acts, Statutes, Edicts, and Proclamations enter effect. It is now time to bring them into alignment, and bring ourselves into preparedness for the decade and a half to come. As such, it is my pleasure to announce the Admiralty & State Sorting & Harmonizing Omnibus of Legal Edicts. This is a package of three Acts, all aimed at bringing currently enacted statutes into concordance with our current aims. As it would make no sense to undertake such a project piecemeal, I humbly request that someone second this rear end in a top hat.

Reorganization of Priorities Act

Whereas: We do not have the fleet capacity to fight any peer competitor at this time and we have an outdated battle fleet.

Therefore:

1) The priorities of the admiralty should be changed to:
A) Increasing the Naval Budget
B) Reducing tension
2) This act is not to override any statutes to the contrary, which are to remain in full force and effect.
Ex: A law that says cause tension with France will remain in effect despite Article 1, Section B. Same for the legislation mandating that we try to take over colonies when offered the chance.

A Wolfpack in Being Act

Whereas: We will have only 10 active submarines upon completion of our current flight of ships, and are woefully short on undersea raiders.

Therefore:

1) The "Stop the Undersea Fetishists Act" of 1907 is hereby revoked, effective immediately.
2) This act shall enter into force upon completion of the current run of submarines in 1917.
3) So long as our monthly balance remains above 500 (500,000 rubles) a month, flights of two new medium SS submarines are to be ordered upon completion of the most recent flight.
4) Construction of new flights is to cease upon reaching 25 completed medium SS submarines.
5) Should war or other incident reduce the standing submarine fleet to less than 24 available ships, flights of two submarines are to be ordered as per Article 3 of this Act.
6) The Admiralty, at their discretion, may scrap the old SSC submarines as they see fit.
7) This act shall not prevent the admiralty or State Council from ordering additional submarines as deemed necessary.

The Keep Your Friends Closer Act

Whereas: We are currently risking our relationship with our allies in the United Kingdom with indiscriminant spying, and at the same time have ordered our diplomats to make nice with the stroppy Hun. We must correct these errors before they damage state security.

Therefore:

1) The Hail Germania act is hereby revoked, effective immediately.
2) For the duration of our alliance with Great Britain, we shall not take any action that could harm said alliance. This includes using our intelligence services against them, and shall take precedence over any prior or future act unless specifically noted in said act.
3) We shall endeavor to enter into a mutually beneficial research treaty with the United Kingdom.

Thank you for your time, my fellow fine Ministers of State. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to return to my drafting board to determine what must be shifted to place a runway upon Our Emperor's Royal Yacht.

habeasdorkus fucked around with this message at 17:43 on Aug 22, 2019

# ? Aug 22, 2019 17:19

Servetus: Apr 1, 2010

I think we need to be more precise about which ships need to be scrapped verse refitted. All our CA-class ships with the exception of the Grigori are outdated and the Grom and the Grigori are the same class, just built in different years. Should the Grom be scrapped while the Grigori remains in service? Do we need whatever partial functionality is provided by Vorobey-class or can they be scrapped?

An open ended call to refit or scrap ships could be met by misinterpretation. Our five surviving Podlivs are outdated should they be scrapped or refitted? If refitted will we keep them in the battle line or put them on commerce protection? We need to be more focused on what we need to keep for the moment, versus what cannot be salvaged.

# ? Aug 22, 2019 17:26

King Hong Kong: Nov 6, 2009; For we'll fight with a vim
that is dead sure to win.

habeasdorkus posted:

Reorganization of Priorities Act

Whereas: We do not have the fleet capacity to fight any peer competitor at this time and we have an outdated battle fleet.

Therefore:

1) The priorities of the admiralty should be changed to:

A) Increasing the Naval Budget

B) Reducing tension

2) This act is not to override any statutes to the contrary, which are to remain in full force and effect.

Ex: A law that says cause tension with France will remain in effect despite Article 1, Section B. Same for the legislation mandating that we try to take over colonies when offered the chance.

A Wolfpack in Being Act

Whereas: We will have only 10 active submarines upon completion of our current flight of ships, and are woefully short on undersea raiders.

Therefore:

1) The "Stop the Undersea Fetishists Act" of 1907 is hereby revoked, effective immediately.

2) This act shall enter into force upon completion of the current run of submarines in 1917.

3) So long as our monthly balance remains above 500 (500,000 rubles) a month, flights of two new medium SS submarines are to be ordered upon completion of the most recent flight.

4) Construction of new flights is to cease upon reaching 25 completed medium SS submarines.

5) Should war or other incident reduce the standing submarine fleet to less than 24 available ships, flights of two submarines are to be ordered as per Article 3 of this Act.

6) The Admiralty, at their discretion, may scrap the old SSC submarines as they see fit.

7) This act shall not prevent the admiralty or State Council from ordering additional submarines as deemed necessary.

The Keep Your Friends Closer Act

Whereas: We are currently risking our relationship with our allies in the United Kingdom with indiscriminant spying, and at the same time have ordered our diplomats to make nice with the stroppy Hun. We must correct these errors before they damage state security.

Therefore:

1) The Hail Germania act is hereby revoked, effective immediately.

2) For the duration of our alliance with Great Britain, we shall not take any action that could harm said alliance. This includes using our intelligence services against them, and shall take precedence over any prior or future act unless specifically noted in said act.

3) We shall endeavor to enter into a mutually beneficial research treaty with the United Kingdom.

Thank you for your time, my fellow fine Ministers of State. Now if you'll excuse me, I need to return to my drafting board to determine what must be shifted to place a runway upon Our Emperor's Royal Yacht.

I second the Admiralty & State Sorting & Harmonizing Omnibus of Legal Edicts.

King Hong Kong fucked around with this message at 19:49 on Aug 22, 2019

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terrenblade: Oct 29, 2012

Seconded:
A Wolfpack in Being Act
The Keep Your Friends Closer Act

# ? Aug 22, 2019 18:52

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